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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1474337226 Message started by old_rider on 09/19/16 at 19:07:06 |
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Title: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by old_rider on 09/19/16 at 19:07:06 Ok, need ideas, i'm in three or four places now... truck isn't running right (fuel pump) so i'm dismantling it. Working 10 hours a day, my drive is 1 3/4 hour drive in the morning, and 2.5 back in the evening (traffic) I go to bed about now, 9pm and get up at 3am..... Wife hopped on her ls650 (2001), I have a manual gas switch (yup right one) she got it running and it died. She check to see if it was on... it was, she turned it off and back just to see if it was right, it was, when she turned it back into the "on" position and turned the bike over, it started pissing gas out under the left panel by the battery... she stopped turning it over and shut off the gas and rolled it back in the garage. Any ideas? I'll get at it this weekend hopefully, I really need to fix the truck first, and i'll have to lift my bed to get to the tank... can't drop the tank, my body won't let me position myself that way. >:( |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by verslagen1 on 09/19/16 at 19:12:32 stuck float. take a screwdriver handle and tap the bowl. you must have the vent lines hanging down. normally they're tucked up into the frame. |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/19/16 at 19:31:04 Put a filter on the truck. You MIGHT get a bit longer outta the pump. When I did the 87Ford the gas that dumped out of the filter was full of rubber. Most of the pumps are not warrantied if you don't do the filter. |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by Kris01 on 09/20/16 at 19:25:32 756671706F6264666D32030 wrote:
Yep, that's why you have to turn them off. |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by stewmills on 09/20/16 at 20:50:19 675E455F1C1D2C0 wrote:
Yep, that's why you have to turn them off.[/quote] Not if you have the stock vacuum petcock. Finally...a point for me ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by old_rider on 09/22/16 at 16:22:53 Thanks for the answers I'll run out into the garage and look at it |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by old_rider on 09/25/16 at 16:05:27 Tapping did not work, I will have to do it next weekend. Got the bed put back on the truck, everything works, ordered new rail caps. I still have to do a little touch up paint spots and clean off the underside of the bed liner. |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/25/16 at 16:38:00 Ospho, or whatever they are calling it now, dilute phosphoric acid, turns iron oxide into iron phosphate. One layer only, chunks of rust have to be chiseled out, the gel sux, liquid only. Your float might have taken a hit. Have you been playing Battleship? Shut off the fuel, drain the bowl. Anything chunky? If something is stuck in the needle/seat valve, it's gonna flood. Gotta drop the bowl anyway. Just be sure to catch whatever falls out from where the needle is. Touch it. Soft? Hard? Ring around it where it lands? Any indentations from landing on crud? Year model? |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by old_rider on 09/26/16 at 16:19:01 Not really sure... she doesn't ride it much, I was riding it once every couple of weeks just to keep it happy. She always shuts off the gas, I'm thinking it is just perhaps some bad gas. We mostly use the local tom thumbs and she could have visited on a tanker day. I'll loosen it up, turn it sideways and remove the bowl on saturday. Thanks for the info., I still say it doesn't need a filter after the tank... the screen on the raptor is good enough to stop anything but a micro particle, but that is another discussion :) Redundancy sometimes it the best... It probably has the same needle from new, so it is about time to replace it. |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by old_rider on 10/16/16 at 11:20:52 Vent tubes were facing down good call. I never even looked when last I worked on the shims. I pulled the bowl and no big amounts of sediment. The float needle was acting normal when I flicked it up and down, but I shot it with carb cleaner any way. I put it all back together after a god spray down of cleaner and I am waiting for the battery to charge. |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by old_rider on 10/16/16 at 11:28:52 It is a 2001 with 10k, I have made all the normal adjustments, shims, raptor, speedo fix, ext...... I am hoping that the carb spray out and proper tube routing has solved the issue. Her battery might be weak and did not have enough juice to start it, thus the massive amount of gas out pour. ( At least that is my guess) Still don't know why it died after about 30 seconds tho..... |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by stewmills on 10/16/16 at 12:07:26 Be careful flooding the carb parts with carb cleaner. I know...sounds counter intuitive to not spray carb cleaner in a carb. The deal is that the carb cleaner is harsh and isn't good to sit on anything plastic or rubber for a long time, such as a rubber tipped needle or our plunger. When I clean any carb parts with carb cleaner, whether or not it had rubber or plastic (since you can't always see everything), I always come behind it with a nice dose of WD40. So far, it has always served me well. |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by Rodger on 10/16/16 at 12:11:11 Another possible cause for carb overflow is a pinhole in the float, causing it to sink in the floatbowl. (I've never taken mine apart, but from pics I've seen here, the Savage carb float is soldered brass, right?) Had that happen on my '73 Super Beetle & it filled one cylinder with raw gas. |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by old_rider on 10/16/16 at 13:03:59 Ok, after removal of the float bowl and cleaner spray, put it all back together and still have the issue. Found out that if I pull the choke to 1st notch it will stay running. So I pulled the top off, cleaned the piston and needle assy. The diaphragm looks good, no holes, made sure everything was back in place correctly (slot on diaphragm). Started, ran with choke (enrichment) knob pulled to first notch... I could even twist the throttle a little and get the rpm up, but only just a little, if I twisted fast and hard it would die.... If I pushed the throttle back in and babied the twist (very small slow twists) I could make it accelerate, but just barely. If the choke was out, I would get a lot more throttle travel and acceleration, but only to a point and it would die out again. So, is it a clogged jet? or passage? Guess I will be tearing her carb apart and finding the issue. Give me some guidance here... I did turn her fuel mixture screw in all the way, and like mine, it didn't seem to make a whole lot of difference... (hers actually idled down a little but did not die) I still cannot figure how crap (sediment) can get past the micro filters on the raptor.... I have never seen the need for an inline filter.... Oh and who is it that says you can loosen the clamps on the carb inlet and exhaust and "twist the carb sideways" ???? The frame on mine and her's will not allow that.... |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by Kenny G on 10/16/16 at 14:47:57 Rider, Have you disassembled the Transient Enrichment Valve and cleaned it? When cleaning the rubber part use only hot soapy water. Also, the is a little air passage that must be cleaned, I use the little air tanks for cleaning computers to clean the orifice. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by old_rider on 10/20/16 at 17:52:41 Any ideas? still haven't gotten the time to work it.... work, truck my bike ect.... |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by batman on 10/20/16 at 20:56:45 You might want check the screen under the float valve seat. |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/21/16 at 05:42:51 So, is it a clogged jet? or passage? Guess I will be tearing her carb apart and finding the issue. Sure sounds like fuel isn't getting through the carb. But, Why would it be puking fuel IF the float valve is working? Again, a tiny bit of crap in the needle/ seat area will cause problems. The Doesn't ride it much reminds me of leaving mine sit, only to discover goop left over from evaporated gas. The bowl can be empty if left to sit long enough and for those still running the stock petcock, if it's been a while, put it on prime, give it a second, then poke the button. What did you see in the bowl? |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by old_rider on 10/21/16 at 16:10:10 Nothing much in the bowl.... kind of gritty at the bottom, but not loose, I had to scrape the small thin coating with my fingernail and calloused fingertip :) I received parts for the truck again, so tomorrow (sat) I will be yet again pulling the drive shaft to put on the front slip yoke assembly. So it will probably be sunday before I can look at it again. I am going to go ahead and pull the carb, she won't be riding the bike anyway because of the "cold streak" lol, only down into the 50's at night and low 70's and possibly high 60's during the day. Time for her to start putting on her long john's :) I had been riding it every two weeks to make it happy, but skipped one weekend and it ended up about a month and a week before she hopped on it and found the problem. Also, the fuel enrichment knob out it runs... not correctly, but it will hold an idle. So fuel in, is definitely the problem, I just don't know the innards of the carb enough to make my hypothesis... and then again... I would have to be educated to make that decision :) Thanks for the inputs.... :) |
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Title: Re: She got it running, it stopped, and leaked gas Post by gizzo on 10/21/16 at 16:18:08 You're educated enough to know the difference between a hypothesis and a theory. You get a gold star for that sh!t. 8-) |
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