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Message started by rbeathe on 09/16/16 at 15:33:08

Title: frame swap
Post by rbeathe on 09/16/16 at 15:33:08

I just moved all parts to a new frame. I was very meticulous about labeling wires and taking pictures. The battery is still good 12.3VDC all grounds in place but I can't get any power. I don't even know where to start.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/16/16 at 15:37:21

Check fuses.
Check connections under the tank.
By
No Power
No lights, no horn?

EVERYTHING got tr@nsferred to a different frame?
That's a little bit low for starting
.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by rbeathe on 09/16/16 at 16:27:17

Wanted a project and I didn't have the title to the frame I was riding. Yes no lights or horn.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/16/16 at 16:44:53

Check fuses.
Check connections under the tank.

And, check the grounds by using a peg bolt or motor mount bolt as ground and battery+. A test light will do it. Or volt, ohm meter.
You might need to do a continuity/ ohms test across each wire in each connection.

I guess First thing is be sure the key switch is On, not park, and the power is being switched to the right spot on it.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by Ruttly on 09/16/16 at 21:44:16

What are you doing with unused frame ?
Where are you located ?
I need a savage frame , don't need a title.
Planning next crazy project !
RYCA will be finished this winter.
Can you say YAMAZUKI ?

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by Serowbot on 09/16/16 at 22:17:46

Ruttly has some insane plans!!!!!!!!!... ;D

Ruttly.... inquiring minds?.... :-?

PS... Rb... I'd be checking the ground strap... 8-)
She's a ..go, no-go... :-/

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by Ruttly on 09/17/16 at 09:55:49

Bot ,I have always owned SR500s, love those bikes , they fit me like they were made for me, however due to bad knees,hip not so good either,kicking not as fun as it used to be. So I bought another SR frame ,cause I don't want to chop up the one I have. Plan is to chop down tube from below steering head & engine cradle from a savage frame then weld it into the SR frame. Mock up for this will be intense needing clearance to get savage engine into frame keeping engine low enough to use stock tank & clearance for header too, should have ample room for carb. Engine will be a s40 695cc like my RYCA ,maybe with bigger cam than the RYCA cause this bike will weigh in at a porky 400+ lbs.
It will look like a SR have a 695 cc thumper with a happy button
A YAMAZUKI 695 , the best of both bikes
Finish RYCA this winter, have another quick build to do, then I will get started, at least a two year build 2019 or 2020. Just collecting frames for now & will find a low mileage s40 for a donor bike.
My next engine will be very special !!

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by rbeathe on 09/17/16 at 10:09:56

Ruttly- you help me get my bike running and i will give you the frame! Im in Austin.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by rbeathe on 09/17/16 at 10:15:48

I have continuity to the peg bolts from the engine ground strap. Power is disappearing after the ignition switch (on/park positions) but the switch is good (checked all positions with multi meter). Fuses are good, I'm thinking battery; barely 12 vdc and all cells were low. I filled it with DI H2O and have had it charging for a couple of hours.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by verslagen1 on 09/17/16 at 11:03:01

Here's a pared down wiring diagram of the ig circuit...
http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/images/%2796-%2703Startingcircuit.jpg

It'll help you to follow the voltage.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by SavageMan99 on 09/17/16 at 12:56:05

A weak battery will give all sorts of greif.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by rbeathe on 09/17/16 at 14:04:26

Battery is putting out 12.5 vdc now still no power.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by rbeathe on 09/17/16 at 14:05:06

thanks for the wiring diagram.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by rbeathe on 09/17/16 at 14:08:37

With the IG switch 'off' I have 12v at the switch (continuity back to the battery) when put it to 'on' I lose it so something is open past the switch.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by Ruttly on 09/17/16 at 14:14:43

Check fuses,check voltage at fuses use volt meter or test light if you don't have a meter, check battery voltage ,as we go thru this look for voltage drops

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by Ruttly on 09/17/16 at 14:27:32

Check voltage going into and coming out of ignition switch , make sure switch is in on position not park, if tank is off use a jumper wire at ignition switch plug on harness side for the 2 wires shown in diagram, if ground at battery and frame are good you should have at least a neutral light if trans is in neutral

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by Ruttly on 09/17/16 at 14:49:48

If still no power install a bypass at side stand switch , let me know

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/17/16 at 15:16:50

You have 12 volts into the switch.
You flip it on.
The wire coming out has 12 volts
Where does that stop being true?
Or
Turn it on
And you have 12 volts on
no 12 volts out
equals bad switch

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by rbeathe on 09/17/16 at 15:47:32

battery is 12.5, fuses 12.3 (both sides), we are good to the switch like I said its after the switch

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by verslagen1 on 09/17/16 at 16:29:54

sounds like you gotta dead short.
pull the fuses and replace with a lamp.
turn on the key so the lamp lights.
then start pulling connectors one by one till the lamp goes out.
if the lamp doesn't go out then it's the harness.
also check your wiring, most connectors will have the same colors on both sides.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by rbeathe on 09/17/16 at 20:35:53

Tank is off but instrument cluster is plugged in. All connectors are paired up correctly. I have pwr to the IG but when I turn the switch on it goes away so the open is past the IG correct?

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by rbeathe on 09/17/16 at 20:39:17

..also that would not allow me to put a pwr lamp at the fuse box because as soon as I close IG to 'on' I open the circuit and lose my pwr.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by verslagen1 on 09/17/16 at 20:53:24

5D4D4A4E5B474A2F0 wrote:

I have pwr to the IG but when I turn the switch on it goes away

How can it go away w/out flame and smoke?

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by rbeathe on 09/18/16 at 06:13:06

It goes away if there is an open in the circuit past the switch.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by verslagen1 on 09/18/16 at 07:49:05

what battery do you got?

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/18/16 at 09:38:01

If you're finding power into the switch, but not out of the switch, it's the switch.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by batman on 09/18/16 at 15:22:18

A battery coming off full charge should have a voltage more in the 13-13.5 area as the charger voltage needs to be higher to push juice into the battery. why don't you try jumping the bike off a car battery (car NOT running) ,you might try unplugging your head light also as it is a major draw(55watts/12v=4amps) If you then get the neutral light to turn on(3watts) you'll know your battery is bad or you can Jump it or take the battery somewhere to be load tested.

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by BSTON on 09/20/16 at 12:48:08

When I was doing my Ryca there were two 2-wire connectors that were the same size that fit together. I can't remember what they were for though. Looking at the wiring diagram that I have, the sidestand switch, pickup coil, and decomp solenoid are all 2 wire connectors. Maybe one of them got switched?

Title: Re: frame swap
Post by BSTON on 09/20/16 at 12:58:51

I was just thinking about it a little more. at the time that I would have been hooking up electrical connections, my sidestand switch connector would have been removed. That just leaves decomp and pickup coil.