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Title: First oil change. Post by och on 09/13/16 at 17:08:56 My bike is nearing its 1,000 miles and will require the first oil change. Few questions. What should I be changing besides filter and oil? Are there any gaskets that should be replaced? Also, should I stick to OEM oil or switch to synthetic? |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by Dave on 09/13/16 at 17:41:20 You shouldn't need any of the Oil Filter O-rings...they can be re-used several times, and only need to be replaced when they start to get stiff or flattened. The washer on the drain plug can also be re-used. If you have been reading the Oil threads....the Shell Rotella T is the recommended conventional oil, and the Shell Rotella T-6 is the recommended synthetic oil. I use the Rotella T....other on this forum prefer the synthetic...about $15 a gallon for the T, a bit more than $20 a gallon for the T-6. |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/13/16 at 17:49:00 Be aware that there is an o ring on the oil filter. It CAN stick On the filter and you CAN throw it away. Yeah, ask me how I know. Go ahead,, do that... |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by stewmills on 09/13/16 at 18:53:01 415E585F42457444744C5E52192B0 wrote:
Meaning you CAN on ACCIDENT, but DON'T because you need it. Also, make sure you put the filter in correctly. Get it backwards and you can ruin an engine very quickly. |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/13/16 at 19:08:50 In other words, don't just Yank the old filter out. Look at it. Yes, it CAN be installed bakkerds. Yes, we have seen it done, twice by Perfeshunall mechanics. Engines are usually ruined. |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by Kris01 on 09/13/16 at 19:26:12 Since this is still a somewhat new engine that may still be "breaking in", stay away from the synthetic T6. It has less ZDDP than dino Rotella. A new engine needs more ZDDP than one that has run for many thousands of miles. Your best bet is a bottle of Redline ZDDP additive (buy it online). Use 1 oz. to a gallon of Rotella. |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by Danero on 09/14/16 at 02:07:22 I thought a new engine would need less ZDDP and mineral oil to aid in running in. |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by sauvage on 09/14/16 at 04:02:50 At the first change don't forget (like I did) to rock the bike to both sides to get all the bad oil out that sits in little pockets. Not that big a deal but you may as well. Also, this may sound kinda silly but it took me ages to locate the drain bolt, it just looks like an engine casing bolt. It's on the left side of the bike and I couldn't figure out how to get to it properly from the left side, I eventually worked out that I need to reach it coming from the right side. One other thing because it comes out sideways you may be a bit surpised that it shoots out a fair way so leave plenty of oil pan sticking out the side or the first bit of oil will go right over it! Maybe I'm the only person who ever had these problems. |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by Dave on 09/14/16 at 04:11:32 594B5F5C4B4D4F2A0 wrote:
I don't rock the engine back/forth....it is better to keep all the oil in the little well under the cam lobes - so that the cam lobes can dip into the oil when you start the bike. If you rock the bike back/forth you can slosh some of the oil out of the well.....that is not good. If you want to slowly stand the bike upright off the sidestand....that won't hurt anything. And the need for an extra shot of ZDDP is most critical at the first start up and a few hours of running - at 1,000 miles the wear/break-in slows down a lot.....however a lot of folks claim that engines/transmissions are still breaking in for many thousands of miles. |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/14/16 at 08:44:43 Don't start it on the sidestand, stand it up, get the cam lobes hitting the oil in the bathtub,, Idling on the sidestand is death, |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by verslagen1 on 09/14/16 at 09:16:53 47585E5944437242724A58541F2D0 wrote:
While in the most part I agree, no need to get Draconian. It's ok for a minute or two. Oil will coat various surfaces and remain for a bit. Have you ever tried to get all the oil out of an oil pan w/out wiping it? This is what ZDDP is for... it attaches to a lonely geeky iron bit only to be F'd by the 1st wandering bad boy iron bit it can find and disappear. |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/14/16 at 10:15:52 I , after seeing Dave's pictures, may let it over on the stand, but only after it's running. I want the lobe freshly wetted with oil, not after a day of oil ooozing downhill. Yes, I've wiped at oil, and it's on there pretty good,, I even agree, but I have seen the consequences of the failure and I'm just uncomfortable with it. I'll be more gentle in the future. |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by JIbber Jabber on 09/30/16 at 10:37:56 The manual says to replace oil at 600, so do I wait till 1000 as I've seen mention on the forum? and which oil should I replace with, Rotella synthetic/non-synthtic/Redline 10W40? I live in NYC so temp fluctuate between teens/below zero at times, and over 100 on really hot days. |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by HAPPYDAN on 09/30/16 at 11:08:14 6D7274736E6958685860727E35070 wrote:
+1 If you're unsure, take a cell phone photo before you remove it! |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by Dave on 09/30/16 at 11:09:43 I am a bit weird about a new engine.....I change the oil at 400 miles - then at 1,000.....then I change it at normal intervals. I feel lot better when I do that - even though it is most likely not necessary. A gallon of Rotella is only $ 15 - so that 400 mile change costs less than $ 8. (I don't change the filter at 400 miles). The chart from the owners manual shows that the Rotella 15W-40 works for any temperature I am going to ride it - that is all I use in my bike. Others spend a bit more and buy the Synthetic Rotella T-6, and it works also. |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by JIbber Jabber on 09/30/16 at 11:49:23 So if I get the Synthetic Rottela do I need to add more ZDDP? And do I change oil filter on first time changing oil? |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by Dave on 09/30/16 at 13:28:03 Probably not - but some of us add 1 oz. of Redline ZDDP to each gallon of Rotella oil to bump it up to 1,400 ppm. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1444820577 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1345080430 |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by Dave on 09/30/16 at 13:28:52 7364656D647678313136010 wrote:
Wouldn't hurt anything to do it. |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by RaleighGuy on 10/03/16 at 04:50:38 Speaking of oil changes to relatively new engines, I've got a somewhat related question. I bought my 2012 Baby Boulevard at the dealer about 4 months ago with only 1020 miles on it. The dealer said they did the 1K oil change before they sold it but now it's got about 1,900 miles. I looked through several of the older oil change threads (using the Search tool) but I could not find any type of maintenance schedule. Should I just change it in the next 2 months or so when it begins to turn colder and I know I won't be riding much from week to week? :-? |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by verslagen1 on 10/03/16 at 07:04:24 Maintenance schedule is in the owners manual. Owners manual is in the tech section. |
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Title: Re: First oil change. Post by Kris01 on 10/03/16 at 18:53:05 . |
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