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Message started by cheapnewb24 on 09/08/16 at 19:07:40

Title: What's a good price?
Post by cheapnewb24 on 09/08/16 at 19:07:40

What's a good price for a regularly ridden but roughed up, older model KLR 250?

Thinkin' of getting something else to ride just in case the Savage keeps giving me trouble. Also want to try a dual sport. ;)

I remember the little dual sport bikes (DR200???) at the training range were pretty good fun. Easy to maneuver at those low speeds. Didn't get to ride it much since I picked a stinky little TU250X. Not to say it was bad... Good bike... Fuel injection...stout brakes... Even pulled a stoppie. :o It just didn't fit me well. Kept making my wrist hurt. :P

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/16 at 19:39:21

Look it up.
Find a forum.

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by Dave on 09/09/16 at 04:13:46

6B606D6978666D7F6A3A3C080 wrote:

roughed up, older model KLR 250?

Haven't you learned anything yet? You don't yet have the ability to repair broken or worn out things, and you would be better off with a motorcycle that isn't roughed up (if you actually want something you can ride on a regular basis).

And......if you do get a reliable motorcycle in good condition - just ride the darn thing and keep it maintained - don't instantly try to improve it with a quick turn throttle, kevlar clutch, lightened flywheel, solid rear struts, gear oil in the forks - or all the other things you got distracted with.

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/16 at 05:22:37

My response when you said you were gonna get another bike was

Get something that has a warranty.

Dave completes the message.

Buy something that doesn't need work, do Basic Maintenance,
Don't
Make it better.
Don't
Correct the engineers mistakes.
Just ride it.

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by cheapnewb24 on 09/09/16 at 06:11:04

You think I should ask my parents for several thousand dollars for a nice bike that I'll just wreck or blow up? I'm being modest, and I don't want that kind of responsibility on my shoulders.

Remember, I hardly make enough money at my job to even call it a job. :-/

How about I go to the stealership and grab a fancy schmancy new one for $5k? That niceness and reliability and warranty come at a price.

It seems that the klr 250 is one of the cheapest and least desired of all the small/midsize dual sports. I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

Street-worthy dual sports are not exactly common as water around here. ::) I would have to travel over 100 miles just to get this one. Interesting since this is a rural area. :facepalm:

For all the dirt bikes there are for sale... Makes me think if I were a bike company, I'd only make street-legal bikes... that way no one would have to live through this madness. Could be performance disadvantages, though not as many with modern fuel injection. But it's something that has come to mind .

Now I could buy a dirt bike and convert it in my state, but to pay $$$ for all the lights or scavenge for parts and stuff... and go through the process... I'm better off grabbing up something like this and go ride., especially when I have to convince my parents.

Some states won't even allow dirt bike conversions. How simple is it to make a street-legal motorcycle? A bicycle with a motor (that goes fast)? If I can get away with riding a 50cc bicycle with a weedeater motor on the freeway (maybe???), then why are there bikes in some states that can never (easily or ever???) be street legal? And why are they immensely popular? Tradeoff? People want to have to haul their bikes everywhere on a truck? I know... don't tell me... emissions, dangerous agressive dirt tires that wear out, no signal lights to break off. You know... Users who are that desperate to get that high performance could just take a light, modern dual sport, strip it of lights, put off-road tires on it, tweak the engine for performance, and call it a dirt bike. Sheesh! ::)

For goodness sakes! Some dual sports came as dirt bikes and vice-versa. The only significant differences were probably the carburetor, gearing and lights. Throw in fuel injection, and what difference do you have then? A little programming...or less? ::)

I don't know a whole lot about the different dirt bike models.... so maybe there's some motocross only bikes out there that have advantages... :-/ But what about the KLX series? Aren't most of those dirt only with one or two factory dual sports?

Can anybody back me up here?

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by cheapnewb24 on 09/09/16 at 06:14:20

382721263B3C0D3D0D35272B60520 wrote:

Yep... I'm wanting something to RIDE. There's a risk where there's cheap, but, it's currently being ridden, so, can't ask for much more for the price.

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by cheapnewb24 on 09/09/16 at 06:23:12

Okay... there are a few more parts, like speedo and kickstand or kickstart only, but c'mon, do serious dirt riders need to complain about removing this extra stuff? Heck, two strokers are constantly worrying with overhauling their engines anyway. And they don't want the trouble of taking a street legal trail bike and making it off-road only? Pfffft!

Meh, Dave's gonna act like I'm stupid for even suggesting it. ::) If it ain't him, it'll be someone else.

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by Dave on 09/09/16 at 10:06:34

646F626677696270653533070 wrote:

Meh, Dave's gonna act like I'm stupid for even suggesting it. ::)

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/16 at 10:39:29

Yep,I eliminated bikes and RC airplanes. In 05 I got the S-40.
From 85 on it was
Husband, then father, and always, as health allowed, provider.

Instead of trying to do so much with so little money, why not put that Big Boy chassis to work and make money,? A solid labor type job would help you practice staying focused. And your self image could improve. And money is never bad.

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by cheapnewb24 on 09/09/16 at 11:09:44

We started arguing about buying the little dual sport, and they brought up the "You can just ride Dad's bike" thing. I fixed that. :P I promptly got up and told them I would take it for a ride and warned them of the consequences. Sure enough, it's sitting in the back of the truck right now. ::)

Two bikes... One's broke. The other is... well... working on it.... ::)

That shadow probably has something wrong with the charging system. It has always had low battery issues, and by the time it sputtered out on me, the battery was dead. Seconds, maybe a minute later, it tried to turn over a bit... then dead... completely dead... dash lights dead, dead.

It ran great for awhile, then I gave it a little enrichment to see if it wanted a bigger main jet. A second or two later, it started losing power at higher throttle like it did before. Took it on the four lane and back. Started jerking as I turned off the four lane. Sputtered it down to a local auction house, and the engine died.

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by cheapnewb24 on 09/09/16 at 11:11:11

37282E2934330232023A28246F5D0 wrote:

You've got a good point there Justin. I think it has crossed my mind before to make some money and have fun instead of being so miserable trying to save it.

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by cheapnewb24 on 09/09/16 at 11:30:02

774C4156474B50564D454857240 wrote:

[quote author=646F626677696270653533070 link=1473386860/0#6 date=1473427392]Meh, Dave's gonna act like I'm stupid for even suggesting it. ::)

OK.....a dirt bike would make a horrible street bike. The close ratio transmission and low final drive are not highway friendly, the engines are not designed to run at steady speeds and you will constantly be trying to regulate your speed, there is no wiring harness, the engine most likely doesn't have any form of charging circuit (if the bike is electric start it might have a small charging circuit). The brake levers are not set up for the light switches, there is no speedometer, mirrors, indicator lights, the tires are not good on pavement and will wear out quickly.

If you decide to get a dirt bike and convert it.....you will once again have a project that you most likely will spend most of your time in the garage and not be riding. And......any money you save on the purchase price will be spent on the parts you need to make the bike legal (lights, horn, turn signals, mirrors, switches, tires, etc.).

You would be far better off getting something that is already street legal (dual sport, enduro, scrambler, cruiser, etc.).

And....perhaps you need to focus your energy in finding a career and becoming self supporting! I gave up motorcycles for 35 years while I attended college and built up my professional career - it was necessary for me to make some sacrifices to get ahead in life.[/quote]

That's a long time to go without bikes. I bet getting that engineering training and internship was one hell of a sacrifice. :-/ I've thought about engineering myself before. My favorite was mechanical, but the school I went to didn't have that type when I when I was there. By the time they had the program ready, I was a little past going for it. Stars didn't align. It's a rather intimidating program too. These days, I'm not too enthused or convinced it's worth it. :-/ You can learn a lot of stuff without going to college these days, and all those hoops... just for a piece of paper to be called an "engineer" .... :-/ People scoff at college these days. It kinda let me down. :-/ ... or something... but that's another story.

College degrees get you a job and money... Yeah, right. (I don't have mine yet... just one class away ::) ). Guess where the college graduates are working these days? Same place I'm working. Then the government owns them as slaves for the rest of their lives until they pay off their crazy debt. Fortunately, I don't have to worry about that.

Interesting insight on the differences between dirt and street bikes. I'm trying to get an old KLR250. It's already street legal. Seems to be a model that no one wants anymore, partly due to kick only. I can live with that though. Hey... that's where the deals are. When no one wants it, and it's good enough for what you want (not perfect by any means), that's where you get something decent for nearly nothing.

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by Serowbot on 09/09/16 at 11:56:32

price depends on miles and condition... a 250lb paperweight is worth it's weight in scrap...

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/16 at 12:12:38

CN, what kinda degree are you one class away from?

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by cheapnewb24 on 09/09/16 at 13:05:04

Business--Entrepreneurship. Online.

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by gizzo on 09/09/16 at 14:26:35

KLRs are cheap and because of that they're owned by cheap newbies who don't know how to look after them properly. I'd suggest saving up for a DR650 that hasn't been f..cked about with, and ride it until the sun burns out. But you won't like that idea.

Title: Re: What's a good price?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/16 at 16:00:54

22292420312F2436237375410 wrote:

Business--Entrepreneurship. Online.

And, with the degree, who is the most likely employer?
Yes, MANY degrees are held by waiters and waitresses. Just because someone is a college graduate doesn't mean they have learned useful, saleable skills. Licensed beauticians, counselors, man, you need to know how to build, repair, DO something..Being a chair warming set of buttocks appeals to you? You can't stop piddling with Stuff, seems to me you would Want a Hands on type of job.

Have you taken any tests that would point you toward the things you're most innately likely to succeed at?
I think I suggested that a long time ago. I know you aren't stupid, but you're not motivated and determined to succeed. Seems like you're willing to accept a going nowhere life instead of getting out there and wrestling with the world. I went through some mighty lean times, but I wanted to be independent. Dad lived across town. He had money. I Could have just Asked, but instead I survived by buying a chef salad and eating on it till the meat , eggs and tomato were gone, then add some with stuff from the store.
I could get almost three days out of a Big salad by doing that. One day you Will be on your own.
Better learn how while the safety net is there.