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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 03:17:32

Title: Hard to Not agree
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 03:17:32

Well, unless you're suffering from agenda induced blindness.

“Hillary Clinton-backed policies are responsible for the problems in the inner cities today, and a vote for her is a vote for another generation of poverty, high crime and lost opportunities,” he said at an Aug. 17 rally in Wisconsin. Democratic lawmakers “have ruined the schools. They’ve driven out the jobs. They’ve tolerated a level of crime no American should consider acceptable. … I am asking for your vote so I can be your champion in the White House.”

I hold the Ideology of the left, while knowing that the parties play good cop bad cop, to blame for so much.

I wish I could explain how much gamesmanship goes into the way things get done,, it would take hours of typing. Maybe a small book. Left cover, right cover,, understand the terms.
The two parties are not mentioned in the Constitution.

The schools were wrecked by both, and everything either party has done COULD HAVE BEEN repealed by the other. E
So, why weren't they?
Until people come to grips with exactly how revealing that answer is they will be duped.

http://wideshut.co.uk/left-cover/

It's a start,, gotta get down past the picture..
Maybe it's a bit of an abstract concept for the less able to see.

Try focusing on just how revealing it is that after legislation pisses off the voters and they clean house, the people who were Just Elected BECAUSE of sorry legislation, NEVER ADDRESS THE REASON they were elected.

Pop that in your mouth and suck on it till it softens up some.

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by LostArtist on 09/04/16 at 14:55:09

how do you, day after day after day after day, year in, year out, for years at a time, constantly complain and whine about the two party system, being one in the same party, and all the rest, you cite example after example of how evil the democratic party is but how the republican party is just as complicit in all the wrong doings in America, YET YOU STILL SUPPORT 1 OF THE 2 PARTY'S CANDIDATES???????

How do you not see how blatantly hypocritical that is??? you are vehemently against the status quo, but you are supporting one of the two mainstream candidates, Trump will change NOTHING, He'll just be a republican puppet if he gets in office. there will be NO WALL, NO better trade deals, nothing will change, the tax code will stay the same, he will do nothing he's ranting about now.

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by pg on 09/04/16 at 15:21:18

That is why I don't use the names of parties and I routinely condemn the "LEFT." With that being said:

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-politicians-are-the-lowest-form-of-life-on-earth-liberal-democrats-are-the-lowest-form-george-s-patton-67-98-58.jpg

Best regards,

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 15:24:37

And, while you're running that mouth, explain exactly HOW Trump is Status Quo. Which office has he held, again? He is ON THE TICKET as a bub, Just as Ron Paul was. Paul is and always was Not Status Quo, not actually a bub, but a Libertarian.
You Have No Argument. None.

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by MnSpring on 09/04/16 at 18:38:14

6A4955526754524F5552260 wrote:

... He'll just be a republican puppet ...

Well, perhaps the, ’teacher’ NEEDS to be ’Taught’ !

Politics, are a great Pendulum,

Now, it is SO Far to the Left, So, VERY Far.
So Far, that if you ate, ‘Bacon’, in the privacy of YOUR house, in the morning.
Then, when you walking down the street, you fart.
and someone Then Says: ‘YOU ARE Violating ME”.
(Because it smells like Bacon)
Someone, who is NOT, a Citizen,
Someone who does NOT pay ANY Taxes.
(And never will)
Has MORE, ‘Rights”, than YOU !!!!!!!!!

A, ’Teacher’ is to, ’Teach’, HOW TO Learn.
NOT, Their Opinion !

Years ago, a father with his Daughter, came into my shop. (H.S. Junior)
(A, ‘GASP’, Gun Shop)
She was tasked to write a essay, which the, ’Teacher’ said: “About Gun Control”.
I lent her a dozen books. She came back a week later gave ma a copy.
It is a AWSUM, essay. Well written, Foot notes, to the books.
And it was titled, “About Gun Control”, Subtitled, ‘Why it does not work’.

A Week later, she came in with her Father, Crying,
Showed me the essay, a “F”.

I asked her Father if I could Call the School.
(I Knew the Principal) He said: “By All Means”.
I Called and raised ALL SORTS OF HELL !!!!!!!!!!!!

Next week, She came into the shop, bubbling with excitement,
showed me her paper again,
and it had, the ‘F’ crossed off, and a, “ A+:”, next to it. on it.

Years after that, was slated to give my, ‘Handgun’ talk, to a different town’s FST group.
It was in the Classes schedule.
Well that, schedule, conflicted with a, ‘ART Class’.
A Father called me, lamenting how his son, would get a, ‘F’, in that, ‘ART’ Class.
(Regardless, of any previous grades,
If they went to the FSC, (Firearms Safety Training) Class, instead of the, ‘ART’ Class).

I told him, it was not my class, I am not in charge, he needs to talk to the person in charge of that class.
He said: “That Class, ALLOWS, make up, for, Baseball Practice, Football Practice, Swimming Practice, Theater Rehearsal, Everything, Except, the FST Class”.

Again I told him: “Then contact the Principal, AND the ’School Board”, and voice your opinion”.

He did, and that, ’Teacher,’ was VERY Seriously reprimanded !!!!!!!

So, as a, ’teacher’ one is NOT, allowed to voice or, ’Teach’, a political view.
A, ’TEACHER’, is to ’TEACH’, How to, ‘LEARN”.
( teacher, and anyone, can have their own view, that is called, ‘Freedom’.
But the teacher, WILL NOT, ’TEACH’, their personal opinion. !)

So, the, “Pendulum”.
Keep Pushing it, ‘farther’, to the Left ?
Or, push it back to the, ‘right’. ????

And NOW, in Nov. It IS, two parties.
In 4 years from now, it may be quite different.

Now, THINK. WHY, is Trump dished by, ‘certain’ Rep’s, ?
Reason: He is NOT, going to KISS THEIR AZZ, like, Hitlery !!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 19:26:42

36292F2835320333033B29256E5C0 wrote:

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by thumperclone on 09/04/16 at 19:35:08

i must agree
one cannot argue with a narcissist "teacher" for they are never wrong

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 19:37:28

Demonstrate Where I am wrong. Narcissism won't stand against a rational argument. So, since you have something to say, spit it out.
Claiming Trump is Status Quo? Based on what?
Ron Paul was on the bub ticket.
He is a Libertarian.
Defeat the logic.

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by thumperclone on 09/04/16 at 19:55:32

said it

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 19:58:48

You Do Know that others can see this, right?
You aren't winning.

Said it?
Really?
I'm crushed!!

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by LostArtist on 09/05/16 at 00:09:31

504F494E53546555655D4F43083A0 wrote:

The National Review has an argument:

"Over the years, there have been endless fractures in the façade of individual freedom, but three policies provided the fuel that lit the tea-party fire: the stimulus, the auto bailouts, and the bank bailouts. Barack Obama supported all three. So did Donald Trump.

While conservatives fought against the stimulus, Donald Trump said it was “what we need,” praising Obama’s schemes of “building infrastructure, building great projects, putting people to work in that sense.” While conservatives fought against the auto bailouts, Donald Trump claimed “the government should stand behind [the auto companies] 100 percent” because “they make wonderful products.”

While conservatives fought against the bank bailouts, Donald Trump called them “something that has to get done.” Let his reasoning sink in for a second: The government “can take over companies, and, frankly, take big chunks of companies.” When conservatives desperately needed allies in the fight against big government, Donald Trump didn’t stand on the sidelines. He consistently advocated that your money be spent, that your government grow, and that your Constitution be ignored. "

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430126/donald-trump-conservatives-oppose-nomination

oh, and there's his book, "The Art of the Deal" mmmm, sounds like he's willing to negotiate and not be as hard lined as you and his supporters think he is. I'm pretty sure Trump is the kinda guy that wants MORE power not less, so shrinking the government, nah, he'll expand executive (HIS) power even further.

He's not Ron Paul, Trump is no lover of freedom, he wants Law and Order.... isn't that a Nixon approach?? mmmmm He wants to command the Military to do unconstitutional things (like torture) sound like any other president or vice president recently??? mmmmmm He's cutting the riches' taxes AGAIN, like oh, yeah, every other Republican administration....

The only place he bucks the establishment on is Free Trade, which he says he likes but then acts like he's going to reinstate tariffs, or increase tariffs.... doesn't sound like he believes in the Free Market like a good Libertarian.....

He's using the fear Americans have of the "other" (you know, not whitey) to secure his base whether they be those aweful job stealing brownies from our south or all the Muslim terrorists in the Syrian Refugee program.... oooo, be afraid, the end of our white culture is upon us and everything is doomed, doomed I tell you, vote for the orange man with the wall plan!!! so his tactics are pretty establishment Fox News GOP style.

if you are scared, vote for Trump, he's given you NOTHING else to support. Trump is NO Tea Party conservative, he's NEVER spoken of limiting government, with the exception of the EPA, but he's going to EXPAND ICE and have deportation agents... "PAPERS PLEASE!!" better not get too tan

vote for Trump if you don't mine the Constitution being shredded, but if you feel it'll make you safer.... trade liberty for safety, deserve neither, isn't that something .....

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/16 at 04:53:04

make you safer.... trade liberty for safety, deserve neither, isn't that something .....

Really? All the stuff I say, a nd you come with THAT? Not very imaginative, I am Not anything like that.

I'm aware that Trump is not a Libertarian. I have explained several times that I don't trust him. Why do you not understand that I will be holding my nose when I vote for him?
I'm not stupid, really, I see the warts, I know what he MIGHT do.
And I know what Hillary WILL DO.
So, im not pissing a vote away on some high minded, principled st a nce.

I'm voting for a Chance to save America from the fate of another Clinton.
You do what you want.

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by LostArtist on 09/05/16 at 10:11:57

3B242225383F0E3E0E36242863510 wrote:

dude, you have the total freedom to piss away a vote on principled stance, YOU ARE IN TEXAS, Texas is going to go republican, with or without you. You are free to vote for anyone or anything you want. you aren't in a battleground state, if you can't be principled now, here, when it means nothing, how are you going to be principled when it actually might mean something??

again, if you want to vote republican, BE a Republican, don't put on this show of being some high and mighty libertarian that sees through all the partisan BS, when you just buy into it all at the voting booth.

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/16 at 10:46:38

So, my vote for Paul didn't matter. Everything I say excoriating bubs doesn't matter. My Libertarian stances on drug laws and individual freedoms, don't matter.
Just my
Save the country TODAY,
We can argue about details later
Vote Trump
THAT MATTERS,,
And YOU'RE my judge..

KMMFA,,

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by LostArtist on 09/05/16 at 14:34:44

322D2B2C31360737073F2D216A580 wrote:

you aren't voting to support your libertarian ideals, you are voting to support the "bubs" you excoriate here. And you totally could vote to support your libertarian ideals, with NO penalty, no threat that Clinton will win any support from Texas, the Electoral college in Texas is going to vote Trump.

you are free to vote your conscious, but it seems the "bubs" have too much control over you

voting for Trump IS NOT saving our country, you'll just be another cog in the republican machine, just like Trump is

All your arguments, all your yelling and complaining on here, all of it, negated by your inability to vote your conscious.

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/16 at 17:59:09

My CONSCIENCE, not conscious, is the NATION.
I don't CARE if he doesn't need my vote.
My CONSCIENCE demands I vote for the NATION.
Not Hillary.

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by MnSpring on 09/06/16 at 10:18:10

60435F586D5E58455F582C0 wrote:

" ... don't put on this show of being some high and mighty libertarian that sees through all the partisan BS, when you just buy into it all at the voting booth.

So you bought a LS650/S40, from C.L. for a song.
It hasn’t been driven/run, for 8+ years.

You take it home, now what do you do with it?

Do you, ‘fix’ the things you can.
Then you get it running.
Then you ‘fix’, more things, until it is running good.

Or, do you just put a jump on the old dead battery,
With the old gas, and the old oil,
and if it doesn’t start, say, ‘Oh-Well’,
Throw it away, and buy another one?

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by Dagillespi on 09/06/16 at 13:33:31

No man you flaunt that pos like your life depends on it and convince anyone gullible enough to believe you how great it is and that they need one for themselves.

Title: Re: Hard to Not agree
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/06/16 at 16:11:36

Not everyone IS what they say they are.

http://libertyhangout.org/2016/05/gary-johnson-shoots-himself-in-the-foot-throws-out-austin-petersens-gun/

He may not BE a Libertarian..
Hafta wait and see.