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Title: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/16 at 05:16:15 Demanding that their whining and crying be submitted to, OR ELSE. Cry Bully That's what the left are. http://louderwithcrowder.com/sjw-flips-hawaiian-doll/ She is a total a55Hole and tells him he is rude.. Amazing. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 08/30/16 at 07:51:34 "Demanding that their whining and crying be submitted to, OR ELSE. Cry Bully That's what the left are." ............................................... I'm not sure that she is representative of (roughly) half the voting population of the USA, or the world ::) An assh0le woman in a taxi (who doesn't mention politics) representing a major political ideology of the last 150 years.... only strengthens your argument, JoG. And there was I, thinking the 'conspiracy theorists' were the ones whining and crying that they should be submitted to :o |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/16 at 08:52:04 No, by golly, she never said Democrats or Republicans, And you can get awfully confused by trying to determine her ideology just by the words she uses. Really, anyone who doesn't know what she is all about after seeing what she did is completely clueless. No, she doesn't represent half, she's too far left for working democrats. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 08/30/16 at 09:04:59 So we determine how 'left' someone is, not by their political views, but by a 'PC rating' ? I wish Youtube was about in Marx and Engels' day, I'd love to read their comments after watching that video. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by raydawg on 08/30/16 at 10:15:52 44637A657F5C7E697F6069750C0 wrote:
Hey Hov..... Not to change the subject, no, but to change the subject, anyway..... ;D Did you take my sage advice and buy your own pound when those smart heads predicted ounces? How come your world hasn't crumbled yet? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 08/30/16 at 11:04:28 "Did you take my sage advice and buy your own pound when those smart heads predicted ounces? How come your world hasn't crumbled yet? " ....................... If you don't talk in riddles, you might get an answer. Please be more specific. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/16 at 11:18:13 I think he was talking about how Brexit was supposed to have caused the pound to crash. But, hey, It's a riddle, what do I know? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 08/30/16 at 13:09:46 Ah, cheers JoG :) It was the 'ounces' that threw me, (and not the idea of 'sagely advice' from Ray) :) The UK hasn't left the EU. If it's going to happen it will take years. There is doubt if it will actually happen. The EU is changing rapidly, for numerous reasons. The public voted, I believe, for Brexit as a statement of their dissatisfaction towards the Govt generally, and for greater control of our immigration policies. Or at least that was a notable factor. Not so much a 'divorce from Europe' as a 'wake-up call' to our Govt. A protest vote, if you like. Similarly, a lot of Trump voters may be voting that way because they're sick and tired of the 'politicians' getting in, and want to shake up the system. Both are examples of voting for the wrong reasons, I think. We, the public, must be careful what we wish for. As it stands now, prices in the UK haven't changed noticeably (to me) since the Brexit vote. If I change money, it's generally between GBP and Hungarian Forints. The exchange rate is the same as it was 4 years ago when I first went there. Ditto the Euro/GBP rate. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by raydawg on 08/30/16 at 13:47:08 05223B243E1D3F283E2128344D0 wrote:
C'mon mate, you catch the day fore I do way over here on the left coast..... You should be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed as I yank it out to empty my bladder..... Ounce, like an increment of pound, re: British sterling :-* As to the meat in your post/observation.... I agree about your characterization of the disgust MOST folks are experiencing toward the politicians failures, however.... It's sorta like having waking in the morning stiff, totally useless, unless you know how to use this, er, gift ;D Trump is like waking, only to jerk it, and count it as an accomplishment, delusional I say. I think a Hillary administration will bring more folks to join the jerk circle, but it will need to get grouped, focused, organized to unseat the tyranny of our aristocrats! |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/16 at 13:50:28 , organized to unseat the tyranny of our aristocrats! Back to top And a Hillary makes it happen? How? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by raydawg on 08/30/16 at 14:16:12 756A6C6B7671407040786A662D1F0 wrote:
When folks wake to see the emperor has no clothes. She will be grilled on the very fires she fanned. She will be where the buck stops. The drinking and guzzling of kool-aid will dry up, a stupor, hangover, then many will come to realize what many already know. That this two party system really is only one! |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/16 at 14:31:34 And Obama isn't in the burn ward WHY? That this two party system really is only one! NuhhUhh, show me! |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 08/30/16 at 14:33:47 Ray: "Ounce, like an increment of pound, re: British sterling ". We have as many ounces in our pound sterling as you have 'sense' in your dollar.... none But not having much 'cents' is a trait in you that I relish ;) |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/16 at 14:39:07 Hove,, seriously,, you didn't get what he was saying? Pounds, crushed fiscally, into ounces.. And that escaped you? Pick on Ray all you want, but he bested you. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 08/30/16 at 15:00:16 253A3C3B2621102010283A367D4F0 wrote:
.................................................... Yep, over my head. :-[ All I saw was Ray's post to me, which diverted the thread topic (as he said himself) enough for me not to know what he's on about. Ray often speaks in riddles. This read like a riddle: "How come your world hasn't crumbled yet?" I could answer 'The 4 horsemen of the apocalypse haven't arrived yet' Money turning into ounces, and ounces turning into money means something very different over here (think 'herbal'). I think the 'no ounces, no sense' bit is enough for me to redeem myself and crawl out of my cess-pool of ignorance. But then Ray starts to talk about urinating, people waking up with a And Ray bettered me because I didn't understand what he was saying? ;D |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/16 at 15:08:57 Well, I thought so initially, but after that explanation, meehh, Might be a tie.. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 08/30/16 at 15:38:08 I'll gladly settle for a tie. :) I'd wear it around my waist to keep my trousers up ;) ;D |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by raydawg on 08/30/16 at 16:37:49 74534A554F6C4E594F5059453C0 wrote:
GOOD ONE! |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 08/30/16 at 17:00:33 5C7B627D674466716778716D140 wrote:
5C7B627D674466716778716D140 wrote:
5C7B627D674466716778716D140 wrote:
Not so long ago, people had a, Wood Burning, Kitchen Stove. If you want to heat something, you sent it on the stove, on the, ‘removable’ plates in the surface of the stove. If you wanted to heat something FAST, their were, ‘pots’ and ‘Kettles’, that could be had, which had a ‘indented’ bottom. Which then the, ’removable’, flat, wood burning stove, ‘plates’ were removed. One could place that, pot or kettle, in the, ‘hole’, which fit perfectly. And then the flame, would be directly, on the pot/kettle bottom. Thus the phrase: “… The Kettle calling the Pot Black…” I Don’t FEED, Trolls ! Even when they ask for the ‘results’, of a Meeting, where a meeting is Very Well Known, but, ‘what is said”, is TOP Secret. (Don’t think they are talking about how high the grass is in Hyde’s Park LOLOL) But the recent responses. I will resort to a very, ‘well worn phrase” “Is that, a Pot, calling the Kettle Black” ? (Could Not resist) LLOLOLOOL OBTW, Bought a, '(GASP)'_ Gun Today, a Handgun non the less. Requirements, Fill out the 4473 form, Have a 'NICKS' check done, (A call to the FBI) A Valid copy of my 'Purchase or Carry permit'. Oh, what, was that other thing ??? Oh Yea that's Right a 'State I.D', (Which in my case, because I drive, was a Drivers License) |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by raydawg on 08/30/16 at 17:36:00 50734E6D6F74737A1D0 wrote:
5C7B627D674466716778716D140 wrote:
5C7B627D674466716778716D140 wrote:
Not so long ago, people had a, Wood Burning, Kitchen Stove. If you want to heat something, you sent it on the stove, on the, ‘removable’ plates in the surface of the stove. If you wanted to heat something FAST, their were, ‘pots’ and ‘Kettles’, that could be had, which had a ‘indented’ bottom. Which then the, ’removable’, flat, wood burning stove, ‘plates’ were removed. One could place that, pot or kettle, in the, ‘hole’, which fit perfectly. And then the flame, would be directly, on the pot/kettle bottom. Thus the phrase: “… The Kettle calling the Pot Black…” I Don’t FEED, Trolls ! Even when they ask for the ‘results’, of a Meeting, where a meeting is Very Well Known, but, ‘what is said”, is TOP Secret. (Don’t think they are talking about how high the grass is in Hyde’s Park LOLOL) But the recent responses. I will resort to a very, ‘well worn phrase” “Is that, a Pot, calling the Kettle Black” ? (Could Not resist) LLOLOLOOL OBTW, Bought a, '(GASP)'_ Gun Today, a Handgun non the less. Requirements, Fill out the 4473 form, Have a 'NICKS' check done, (A call to the FBI) A Valid copy of my 'Purchase or Carry permit'. Oh, what, was that other thing ??? Oh Yea that's Right a 'State I.D', (Which in my case, because I drive, was a Drivers License) [/quote] Well now I guess you can cast as many votes as you want ;D |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 08/30/16 at 18:23:10 33203825203626410 wrote:
So, if that was reference to the 99.9999%. of Legal, firearms owners. Totally un called for. Well, unless, you stop at a supermarket on your way home, and drive over a bridge, then throw out the food, (when you are over that bridge), so something living under that bridge, can eat. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by raydawg on 08/30/16 at 18:54:15 795A6744465D5A53340 wrote:
So, if that was reference to the 99.9999%. of Legal, firearms owners. Totally un called for. Well, unless, you stop at a supermarket on your way home, and drive over a bridge, then throw out the food, (when you are over that bridge), so something living under that bridge, can eat. [/quote] It was sarcasm capt...... Sorry if you don't see the connection. You unnertand how the Brits weigh themselves to determine their worth, right? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 08/31/16 at 07:07:37 MnS, I am about as republican (in the proper sense of the word) as you can get. I think the monarchy should be dissolved, the palaces and wealth re-distributed to the people. Meetings between the Queen and the PM are private, not top-secret. Eg. Tony Blair wrote about them in his autobiography. In the last 60 years, Govts have come and gone, both Left wing and Right wing. Industries and services have been privatised then Nationalised, then privatised again, depending on the Govt. Same Queen, many many different Govts. If the Queen tells the PM what to do each week, (then not only is it news to me, and other anti-royalists) it would appear that the Queen changes her mind every 4 years. Or....... she is merely an 90 year old woman who's a figure-head that likes ancient tradition and likes the tourists coming to London to spend their money. MnS, coming out with BS, being corrected, then not addressing this by saying you don't feed trolls is as laughable as it is ignorant. Both myself and WebsterMark called out BS about your claims before, and myself and Webby are far from agreeing on 99% of things. Lose the 'troll' accusations, empower yourself enough to reply, and question anything I've said.... I'd more than welcome anything you might say to challenge the accuracy or truth in anything I've ever said to you. But that might leave you having to back up your statements, so it's easier for you to say 'I don't feed trolls' PS. I have a wood-burning stove. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 08/31/16 at 16:12:37 55726B746E4D6F786E7178641D0 wrote:
That’s ripe. Coming from a person, who does one liners, and nonsensical ones at that. Your last post gives More, of Your, opinion, than you have ever said, while I have read you on the TT. Although, you say: “…I am about as republican (in the proper sense of the word) as you can get….” Yet, you Dish M. Thatcher, and don’t explain. and what little views you do give, you heavily lean to the, “Labor Party”. For as long as I have seen your posts, you never have, expounded in depth about your views, (in the TT). In fact, a while ago, when you were asked, again, about your ‘one liners’. In response to a post. And again, you responded, nonsensical. Then, you said it was, MY Fault. If I wanted a answer, I was suppose to PM you ! Real tired of that. Others in the TT, disagree on things, but always explain their position. You haven’t. I just didn’t start referring to you as a Troll, willy-nilly. Didn’t start, when just, Off the Wall, you started dishing my use of the, ,,,,, and style of writing on a forum. Didn’t start, when you commented on, my, pro-gun, posts, with the essence of, (you can’t have them, so I shouldn’t have them) Didn’t start, when you said, (in response to welfare in the US), one thread you said, (We don’t have that here) another thread you said, (It is Ripe here). Didn’t start, when you dished Thomas Hardy, and Margaret Thatcher. With NO explanations. Etc. etc. etc. Didn’t start referring to you as a, ’Troll’, out of the blue. Notice, I started referring to you as a, ’Troll’ AFTER, You said, I, teach kids how to KILL. You, EARNED, the Title ! “Three Billy Goats Gruff” a Norwegian fairy tale |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by pg on 08/31/16 at 16:47:38 082F362933103225332C2539400 wrote:
Somehow I doubt this. I suspect this is one of the wealthiest persons / families in the world regardless of what may be reported. Her wealth is the product of hundreds of years of plundering the resources of countless nation states. What say you Hovis? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 08/31/16 at 18:26:30 @pg I thoroughly agree, her influence, or rather the family's, as one of the 'elite' is not to be taken lightly; but unfortunately is unmeasurable by it's own nature. The Crown's wealth is an accumulation of the raping of other countries for their resources over the last 500 years. I'm not proud (nearer ashamed) to be British at all, but we can't choose when or where we are born. The 'family' is interbred, I might be wrong but I think our last PM was a distant relative of the Queen. The First World War; King George V of Great Britain and Tsar Nicholas II of Russia on the one hand, and Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany on the other – were first cousins! The family had Diana killed, I imagine. Diana, being the mother of the royal heirs, was dating a 'Mr Fayed'....but that's another story. Any new law that Parliament might want to pass has to get the approval of the Queen before it can be made law. I'm not aware that she has ever vetoed a new law. As for the Queen telling the PM 'what to do' on a weekly basis (as has been suggested)...if so, why does she change her mind so often? I referred to the nationalisation/privatisation of industries and services in an earlier post. If she wanted Brexit, then why did the PM (her relative) campaign for Remain? If she wanted to Remain, how is it that the votes (or the counting of) weren't manipulated to stop the UK from the approaching Brexit? (Although I'll only believe Brexit when I see it done). @MnS I'll take each point in order: I did say 'republican' in the proper sense of the word. That is very different to what you call a 'Republican'. In the context of my views on the UK royalty and the fact that I said "in the proper sense of the word"....I think it's pretty obvious.... Nonsensical one-liners? Show me a link (find an example and copy/paste the address bar). If you find something to be nonsensical, that doesn't mean that it is nonsensical to others. It means that you don't get it. (see example in previous paragraph). The rest will have to wait until tomorrow as it's 2.30 AM here. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/31/16 at 19:24:48 The family had Diana killed, I imagine. Diana, being the mother of the royal heirs, was dating a 'Mr Fayed'....but that's another story. Well, I Wonder How many people were involved? And I agree. But you are a conspiracy theorist. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 03:37:07 617E787F62655464546C7E72390B0 wrote:
........................................................ A conspiracy theorist rarely has 900 posts, just 2 sentences of which are about a conspiracy. Even then, I didn't use a definitive statement, I said "I imagine", and then moved on.... But if it helps, I think that 9/11 was an inside job. ;) |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 05:06:56 @MnS (continued) "Your last post gives More, of Your, opinion, than you have ever said, while I have read you on the TT." So I've never mentioned my view of guns/abortion/religion in the TT ? ;D You say my views lean heavily towards the Labour Party, and you are surprised at this. I've never voted for the L-P in a general election, but you might be interested to read this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Jeremy_Corbyn#Constitution_and_Royal_Family "For as long as I have seen your posts, you never have, expounded in depth about your views, (in the TT)." Is it necessary to 'expound in depth' when people here know my views? I know of a guy that made something up, got caught out, then disappeared for 6 months ;) "n fact, a while ago, when you were asked, again, about your ‘one liners’. In response to a post. And again, you responded, nonsensical. Then, you said it was, MY Fault. If I wanted a answer, I was suppose to PM you !" Nonsensical? Covered that. If we are talking about the 'Thatcher' subject, I questioned your attitude. Frankly, I considered it infantile. I suggested that if you put in so much effort to get my views on Thatcher aired, then instead of b!tching at me, you could have started a new thread or even PM me. You did neither. I did actually write a long post about my experience of the Thatcher era, but gremlins had their way: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1439598043 I didn't re-post it because, well, if you can't even write a legible sentence, why should I bother to "expound in depth"? Plus your attitude..... Someone here (can't remember, but possibly 'pg') asked me about my views on Nigel Farage. Which I gave. "Others in the TT, disagree on things, but always explain their position. You haven’t." So no-one knows my position on gun culture, abortion, etc? :o Your style of writing ? I don't need to explain that, Lost Artist even questioned it the other day. If you want to get your point across, it's much more effective if you write in a way that isn't difficult for people to read. REALLY,,, its not, that,, difficult !!!! LLOLO "when you commented on, my, pro-gun, posts, with the essence of, (you can’t have them, so I shouldn’t have them)" Ummm.... I've posted here before saying that I legally own 2 revolvers. I then went on to list the different firearms that I've tried out. But if you prefer, I can't have them so you can't ::) As for the 'welfare in the US'.... I don't remember that, feel free to post a link, and I will respond. "another thread you said, (It is Ripe here)." Eh? :-? Thomas Hardy? Rings a bell but you might want to post a link. "Notice, I started referring to you as a, ’Troll’ AFTER, You said, I, teach kids how to KILL." No, I didn't. Read it again. You teach people how to use a machine that was invented to kill people. Did I mention kids at all? "You, EARNED, the Title !" In your view, only. In 2 years and 900 posts, I've never been called a troll by anyone except for you. I think you use the "don't feed trolls" as an easy get-out when you are cornered. But, if we are into name calling, I have a suggestion: In view of your statements such as "I'm not a British citizen" when my passport clearly says "British citizen", and your claim that there are loads of females that are too scared to post here because of me (even Webby waved the BS flag) I suggest that if you refer to me as a troll, then I will refer to you as a 'bullsh1tter'..... because after all.... "You, EARNED, the Title !" It's your choice. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 05:42:49 You teach people how to use a machine that was invented to kill people. There's a reason why we teach people to drive cars. While not Created to kill, they are very effective at it. Knowing how to handle a weapon means NOT accidentally killing. It's also a life Saving machine. When it stops someone intending to kill many, The Anti gun people are so wrong headed. So narrow minded. Scenario.. It's 1:30 A.M. .. Pounding on the door. A man, hollering Let me in. They are trying to kill me! You Open the door, not knowing how many people are Really out there or whether it is one guy, maybe with a gun, and you are unarmed. Or, you grab a gun, then unlock the door and tell him to come in? Or, being unarmed, you tell him to go away and that you're calling the police? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 05:46:03 I check the CCTV... Was I wrong to say that guns are primarily designed to kill or wound people? 'Yes' or 'No' will do. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 06:19:16 Apparently the only way you can win is to set the parameters of the discussion so that there Is no discussion. While killing people is not something I Want to do, it's possible that a situation could arise that makes it necessary. Yes, guns are meant to kill. And they are also used in sport. And to feed the family. One application is kill. And cops carry them. Are cops good guys? Are they the only people in society who are of such high moral standards that They qualify as something just below a god and therefore, THEY should have guns, but the lowly serfs shouldn't? And what would you do when someone is pounding on your door? And YES, it happened to me Saturday night. He would not have been allowed IN if I was unarmed. So, MY gun changed His day. It's not JUST the Gun. It's the intent of Who has it. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 06:26:59 Guns are meant to feed the family? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 06:55:30 Yep.. fishing poles can do it, too. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 07:15:07 How many people are killed by fishing poles? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 07:31:14 Your question was about guns feeding the family. Dealing with desperate for a point people is frustrating, because they stoop to such low levels. I'll Give you a point, when you earn it. So far, you're going backwards. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by Serowbot on 09/01/16 at 07:54:10 A gun is just a tool.. Does anyone know where I can take a course on screwdriver safety?... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by raydawg on 09/01/16 at 08:11:00 Yes, comparing fishing poles and screwdrivers to a gun is like, well..... Saying if a person wants to restrict a minor, from getting an abortion, without parental consent, will force all women back into alleyways, to get this procedure done.....because it will be just the first step to outlaw it. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 08:32:11 A fishing pole, like a gun, can feed the family. A stringer of fish, a deer,, it's not that hard to see. I guess for some it is..And that's why I spell it out. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 08:42:34 4F5056514C4B7A4A7A42505C17250 wrote:
................................................... I don't really consider you to be in a position to give out points.... You are not the teacher here (as has been pointed out by others recently). Yes, my family starved to death because I didn't have a gun. And no-one has ever been accidentally shot/killed in a hunting accident. Still waiting for that 'yes or no' answer, though. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 08:52:19 You're desperately trying to mold the argument so that you can feel like you won. Whether or not I KNEW that I would never need a gun for defense I would want one. It's Natural to be armed. Look back at history. And that lame argument that you have never been hungry,, So What? Where is the guarantee that you won't be hungry one day? Society isn't as stable as you seem to believe. Wouldn't take much to disrupt the supply lines of food to the store. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/01/16 at 10:00:13 697F68756D78756E1A0 wrote:
Yes Bot, in fact, I do ! And, in your case, I will do it for FREE ! Just send a RT airline ticket, (Dec, Jan, Feb, would be great, Make it 2-3 weeks between plane rides) And I will come to YOUR house, and give the class, for FREE ! |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/01/16 at 10:03:31 6C7F677A7F69791E0 wrote:
Screwdrivers, Hammers, Wrenches. Don’t know, about a ‘fishing pole’. Their are probably some cases, where one was used, in defense or offense. But, ’screwdrivers’ mentioned. In one of the talks I give, (and to, other other FST classes as well) It starts out, with, two big handgun cases on the table. Wait, for class to quiet down, and every has Big Eyes, because they anticipate, seeing lots of handguns, which most of them have not seen before. I slowly, open a case, make a deal out of, picking up something, (They can not see inside the case), and pull out a rusty screwdriver. Then ask, what is this? Get Screwdriver as a answer. Do the same with a hammer, and a big wrench. (get the name of that item) Then with those three things, laying on the table, ask, “Is their one word, that can describe, all three things?” And I get, ’tools’. Now I take out a ‘handgun’, lay it on the table, then ask: “Can this, handgun, also be described as being a, ’tool’”. Usually a pause, than a hand goes up, and the answer is, ‘Yes”. Now go back to the screwdriver. “This is a screwdriver, If, is used it to, ’stab’ someone, could their be another name for it?” (While holding it in a, ’stabbing’, way), pause, one or two hands timidly go up in the air, and someone says, (In more of a question, than a answer) “ A weapon?” Then on the the hammer/wrench, same thing. Now, I pick up the handgun. and say: “This is a handgun, it is used to punch holes in a piece of paper, it was bought new, and has done Nothing But, punch holes in a piece of paper, in fact it was designed to ONLY, punch holes in a piece of paper. But, it, ‘could’, be used for a different purpose, just like the hammer and screwdriver could, If that were so, then, and only then, it could be called by a different name, what would that name be”. And many hands go up, and they say, weapon. “So, do you think, a ‘firearm’, is a tool, Unless it has been used, as a weapon?” And the answer is a resounding, ‘Yes”. To Cumbersome to bring in a ladder, Darino/Vanish, pool of water, or ‘ark’ a striped electric cord, which Each ONE of those alone, KILLS more people in accidents, than any firearm has ever done. Then go on to show, the rest of the firearms, and ask/explain the actions, and sub actions, and how to recognize each one, by just looking at it, and to KNOW, how to safely UN-Load it. But I guess, in a country, where one cannot have/carry, a ‘handgun’, If one carried a ’screwdriver’, walking down a dark street, late at night, in a dubious part of town, and a, ‘Bobbie’, stopped you. The answer would be: “Hey it’s ONLY, a Screwdriver”. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/01/16 at 10:07:57 795E475842614354425D5448310 wrote:
What ever you want ! “… I will refer to you as a ‘bullsh1tter’… “, Don’t care. “ … I did actually write a long post about my experience of the Thatcher era, but gremlins had their way…” Such a ‘Convent’, occurrence. Was it me, you referred to as, ‘gone for 6 months’. No, Just did Not post on the TT for much less than that. And you DID, say I teach kids to KILL. I, did not say, I taught them how to handle a, ‘machine gun’. Their are Many more skilled people that do that. Those people, that teach such a class, Have and USE, ‘machine guns’. I do not. And I have, things to do, so I can pay for people, that, do NOT. So not going to take time, to look up a post, where I know, what you said. And I was unaware, you had a copy of my IP address, and Passwords. So you know, all the communications, I make. Again, you just go ahead and call me anything you want. Don’t care. If it makes you feel good, go ahead. I, call you a, ’Troll’, after much deliberation, Not, ‘willy-nilly’. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by WebsterMark on 09/01/16 at 10:11:51 No, I would say the majority of guns are designed to wound or kill people. I honestly don't know if the first guns were designed with military activities in mind or hunting. Regardless, anything that fires a projectile at a high rate of speed could would or kill a person so all guns by that definition are 'designed' to kill. I have four. A Ruger .22 which while it could kill, is a squirrel / small game rifle and empty beer cans. A .44 old black powder gun. Original design was to shoot a people. Despite what the movies might show, you can't hit crap with it. .380 Bursa Thunder. To shoot people. With a 2.5" barrel, you're lucky to hit a Frisbee at 50'. .270 Ruger To kill deer and game like that. Holy crap, the muzzle velocity on that gun is crazy fast. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 10:15:44 The disruption of supply lines to the store? When I was in Bucharest airport in post-revolution Romania, the only food available was bread and apple puree. The apple puree was actually Heinz baby food, probably sent to Romania by a charity and was meant for the orphanages. I try not to buy food from the store/supermarkets for many reasons, mainly political. Not giving money (or as little as possible) to Kraft/Nestle/Unilever or whatever the parent company is something good, in my opinion. Funny enough, I've just spent the last hour in the garden harvesting. Anything like rice, pulses, etc which I can't grow I get in 25kg sacks from a non-profit making local community food co-operative. What I don't eat, I ferment. (On a side note, gooseberries make the best sparkling white wine, and elderberries with a bit of fresh ginger root make a great red) All in all, if Global warming/climate change is just a myth, or as 'The Donald' said, a hoax created by China, my garden won't suffer. Permaculture is the way forward, no guns needed. Yes, I do believe that society isn't as stable as some would believe, again, experience rather than theory. I'd tell you about the time I stayed in a bombed out army barracks in the ex-Yugoslavia in the early '90s....during the Balkan war. But no, you aren't interested in my experience of near anarchy in a society. I would suggest that if society were to collapse because of an uprising or revolution, people would be shooting each other more than they'll be shooting an animal for food. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by WebsterMark on 09/01/16 at 10:25:01 However, having said all that about guns, there is an awful lot of truth in the following scenario. Stand in a locked room, the only thing in the room is a hungry rattlesnake and a loaded gun. Turn your back to both of them. Which one might kill you on it's own and which one might save you if you pick it up? Yes guns are designed to kill, but guns are tools. I had this exchange with my local paper who ran their typically liberal nonsense after another killing that we need more gun control. I looked at the murder rates for my state county by county and compared to poverty rates and estimated gun ownership. The poorest counties with the highest gun ownership had the lowest gun crime rates. It's not the guns per se, it's the culture. My suburb has 25,000 people and I'm guessing 20,000 guns. We've had zero gun crime that I can remember since I moved here 20 years ago. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by Serowbot on 09/01/16 at 10:37:10 Why would anyone turn their back to a rattlesnake?... to reach the gun?... :-/ ..and who would lock someone in a room with loaded gun?... riddikerus... |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 10:39:22 @MnS You refer to something you think I said, but are not even bothered to post a link. We're just going to have to believe you ;D The missing post? "Such a ‘Convent’, occurrence" No nuns involved, I'm afraid. Oh, and I magically altered that post that I linked to read 2015 ::) "Bobbies" ?? Ring Ring.... Telephone call for Mr Spring. "Hello, this is the 1950's calling, we want our lingo back" :D |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/01/16 at 10:49:43 6D5F58494E5F48775B48513A0 wrote:
I would say, Hunting/Feeding was the first, then the potential, by military was discovered. First, hunting/feeding/sport, a person, walked the field, with a trained falcon (or choice), on the arm. A bird flushed, or a rabbit ran, the trained Falcon, was released, caught the prey, and then brought it back. Then a very crude, firearm was used, Much faster, (in it’s day). .380 Bursa Thunder: Yep LOL, a P*S. .270 Ruger: Right load, and practiced with, one ‘could’ hit a snake in the azz every time at 100 yards. A .44 old black powder gun: This one is very interesting. With the Right load and bullet, it Could, be very Accurate. Just to many variables. Like saying, “my S-40 does not run”. (If you want, send me a PM with a photo of it, and if you want, will make suggestions) A Ruger .22: Could be a, Very Accurate firearm! Buy 10 different boxes of .22 ammo. Sit down at a bench, do short, (25 yards) Rested Comfortable, SAME, hold each time, Shoot, 20 rounds at 10 different targets, making sure you know which target is which ammo. One of them, will have the, ‘best’ group. Never-mind, if the, ‘group’ is Not on the, ‘bulleyesy’ of the target. It is group Size only. You can Always adjust the sights later. Now, get more, different brands of ammo, and using the ‘best’ one, from the first, ’test’, do the others. This will be a on going, process. Hint, the best ammo, for a 22 handgun, would be something that does Not break the sound barrier. (In the range of 1050-80 FPS.) Remember the X-15, first to break the sound barrier, (On Purpose), Smooth ride, than very heavy vibration at the sound barrier, then after, smooth again. Same thing happens with a bullet. Sounds like a lot of work. But for some, a LOT better than, playing/watch Golf, Baseball, Bicycle races, And ALL, forms of Soccer ! |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 11:17:05 "...And ALL, forms of Soccer !" Agreed, I prefer watching football. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 12:32:48 f society were to collapse because of an uprising or revolution, people would be shooting each other more than they'll be shooting an animal for food. Excellent reason to not have a gun. Touche' |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 13:25:19 You think I would be part of the revolution? ;D Touche' |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by WebsterMark on 09/01/16 at 13:42:48 .380 Bursa Thunder: Yep LOL, a P*S. Oh no, you misunderstand. It's a great gun. Long distance? No way, a chest sized target from 25' feet? Every time. Low recoil but loud as hell. I can empty 2 clips of 6 shots in a few seconds. .380 is a perfect round I think. With a .45, unless you shoot everyday, the recoil from the first shot is a shock and the 2nd and 3rd shots are no where near the target. Doesn't matter what you shoot if you can't hit it. Plus a .45 goes through walls like Swiss cheese, you'll take out half the neighbors. My Bursa is as reliable as hell, never jams. I would recommend one highly. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by oldNslow on 09/01/16 at 13:52:59 Hovis wrote: Quote:
Quite likely correct. And I for one, don't intend to get shot on account of nor being able to shoot back if I can help it. Hovis again: Quote:
No, you are correct again. But you don't seem to understand that, unfortunately, there are always going to be people that need to be shot and "killed or wounded" for one reason or another. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 13:57:31 72554C53496A485F49565F433A0 wrote:
People are not always Willing participants. It's not uncommon for half of the two people in a gunfight to Not want to be involved. Sometimes, others make our minds up for us. Being unarmed in a gunfight is rarely smart. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 14:09:26 Maybe it's best not to go to the gunfight.... I wander what Jesus would do? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 14:20:40 You're not that stupid, are you? Just admit that you stepped in it. What part of Sometimes you don't get to CHOOSE did you fail to grasp? I'm DONE with your childish antics. You have been out maneuvered and schooled. Own it. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 14:30:03 "You have been out maneuvered and schooled." Oh, it's the teacher again! I can't say that I've been (or at least the group I was with) fired at in a conflict zone before. I would, but you'd just mention Hillary's BS on that subject. I didn't have a weapon, only a broken camera. Were those antics childish, or do I have to bring an apple for you tomorrow? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 14:38:26 If you're happy being vulnerable, get after it. Don't expect me to agree. The childish behavior is your ignoring my words, pretending that I didn't say something and goin on as if I didn't. I'm DONE with your crap. You don't care about being honest. Just type more, pretending you made a point. You should wash your hands, they smell like butt. I handed you your ass. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 14:52:07 26393F3825221323132B39357E4C0 wrote:
................................................... Your sex life is up to you, leave me out of it. PS. So you weren't DONE with the antics..... |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/01/16 at 17:55:56 14332A352F0C2E392F3039255C0 wrote:
What does, Sex have to do with it? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/01/16 at 18:22:10 71564F504A694B5C4A555C40390 wrote:
I wonder what, Allah would do? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/01/16 at 18:27:31 674059465C7F5D4A5C434A562F0 wrote:
I, wonder, what the wanderings, of a Divine leader, of a group of people, have to do with anything? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 18:51:27 Well, Muslims consider Jesus as a prophet. Jesus travelled around with barely any possessions. He saw a man drink from a stream using his hands, and so gave his cup away, or sold it on ebay. Do you think he carried? Even a stick? Did he have a snub nosed 38 in his loincloth? Or was he pleased to see me? Has the phrase "turn the other cheek" turned into "This is my rifle. There are many others like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life." ? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 19:52:08 "But now," he said, "take your money and a traveler's bag. And if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one! [ch8206]Luke 22:37 · [ch8206]Luke 22:35 · [ch8206]New International Version · [ch8206]Luk I enjoy watching people try to use the bible for making points. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 20:04:24 Did Jesus generally carry or promote the idea of carrying weapons? Again, a 'yea' or a 'nay' will do. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 20:10:50 Well, YES, but if you need to ask, I guess now you want me to prove it. What happened in the garden of Gethsemane? A soldiers ear was sliced by one of the disciples. Do you think Jesus didn't authorize the carry? He told them to get the swords. IIRC, they had two swords with them. Of course, being with the Son of God, nothing, nobody could hurt them if Jesus didn't allow it. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 20:58:45 "Have you come out as against a robber, with swords and clubs? When I was with you day after day in the temple, you did not lay hands on me. But this is your hour, and the power of darkness". Same Luke 22:37 . Not a big fan of swords and clubs, then :( Although the unleavened bread is beautiful. Recipe: First, you go to the desert, camp by an oasis, then get woken up in the night by some 'curious arabs'. Do they rob you or do they make a small fire out of brushwood and make some coffee? Coffee/mint tea finished, they scrape away the embers to the edge of the fire. In goes a pizza-base shaped dough, but 3 or 4 inches thick. Dough without yeast, covered, and I mean covered in flour, as thick as you can get it to stay on. Glowing embers raked back over the fire to completely cover it. Lay back and enjoy the stars, then retrieve the bread from the embers. It will be black, but since it's mainly the flour that has burnt, a protective layer, you can scrape it all off with a knife leaving tasty hot bread. The chances are that there was a 'modified' tin can on the edge of the fire with olive oil with a few sprigs of fresh rosemary in it. With a mug of sahlab. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salep All I wanted to do was drift off, listening to the Grateful Dead, but I'd lent all my cassettes to 'Bot, the hippy :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/01/16 at 21:12:01 The very sad thing is that the (alleged/traditional) place of his Crucifixion/Crucifiction and the tomb etc. looks more like a cheesy shrine to Elvis or maybe Liberace, to me. That's not a comment on the immense innate spirituality of the place, but on commercial interests. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by WebsterMark on 09/02/16 at 04:48:25 I think its fair to say Jesus acknowledged the realities of the dangerous world he lived in, but called his followers to a higher path. They were probably lightly armed, more for intimidating would be opportunistic robbers maybe. But he also sent them out on a missionary trip specifically saying to take nothing with them. No one knows how many came with Judas to arrest him and Peter's actions could suggest he figured they could fight their way out. But all in all, it's a foolish question to begin with. A better question is why do wealthy, high profile, gun control proponents hire armed guards? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/02/16 at 05:13:46 Rather than use a weapon, didn't Jesus heal the guy whose ear got cut off? (not Van Gogh!) |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by pg on 09/02/16 at 05:22:51 He wasn't all that kind to the money changers in the temple..... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/16 at 05:56:25 71564F504A694B5C4A555C40390 wrote:
Your intellectual dishonesty is tiresome. He, Jesus, did heal the ear, you Do realize that in Order for Gods plan to be carried out, he Had to be arrested, right? Your question, which you didn't like the answer to, was, did Jesus support being armed. That's a Big Yes. He didn't want violence against the soldiers. The sword s weren't for Jesus, but the disciples protection. you come out as against a robber, with swords and clubs? When I was with you day after day in the temple, you did not lay hands on me. But this is your hour, and the power of darkness". Same Luke 22:37 . Not a big fan of swords and clubs, then Sad He is talking to the soldiers who came to arrest him. Aren't you tired YET? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by Serowbot on 09/02/16 at 06:33:41 544B4D4A5750615161594B470C3E0 wrote:
This phrase is tiresome... You have repeated it often enough in the past few months that it has lost all meaning and effect. Retire it. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by pg on 09/02/16 at 06:49:56 Perhaps we could use honesty. :-/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/16 at 15:21:18 5B4D5A475F4A475C280 wrote:
This phrase is tiresome... You have repeated it often enough in the past few months that it has lost all meaning and effect. Retire it.[/quote] Nope.. It's meaningful to those who understand it. And it's subtly different from honest or dishonest. It's about, ohh, well, look it up. Naaah, nobody will, so, I'll help Dishonesty | Definition of Dishonesty by Merriam-Webster Merriam-Webster › dictionary › dishonesty lack of honesty : the quality of being untruthful or deceitful. Source: Merriam- Webster's Learner's Dictionary. Examples: ... AAAAAND here's an opportunity... Let's see which pathetic one goes for it. Intellectual Dishonesty c2.com › cgi › wiki › IntellectualDishone... Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest. See how that applies? Intentionally failing to see the obvious, because it is destructive to the agenda. It's TIRESOME. Wag that Muppet finger at the one who chooses to pretend that my point is not made clearly and is irrefutable. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/02/16 at 22:54:46 I think that maybe Jesus knew the events of the evening yet to unfold. He knew that he was going to be arrested. He knew that his disciples wanted to protect him, and they'd be tempted to use force. He told them to sell some stuff to buy a couple of swords. Soldiers appeared, a scuffle broke out. After the ear was cut off, the unarmed Jesus healed the guy to demonstrate the futility of arms and the power of faith. He told them to go (with nothing) out into the world and spread his message, having left them with a wealth of examples by his actions. PS. Swords into plowshares, anyone? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/16 at 01:05:20 The time and effort to unscrew that screwed upmess isn't something I care to expend. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/03/16 at 18:14:34 HUGE Difference between a, 'Goal' and 'Reality". A 'Goal", get to a point, where their is NO, violence. A, 'Reality', we are Not Even Close to that. This is NOT, 'Star-Trek' . !!!!!!!! Oh Wait, didn't the Enterprise, have means of , 'DEFENDING', themselves ? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/03/16 at 18:21:39 Oh Yea, that's right, (The Re-Wright, The, 'new'. version, the, 'Fairy Dust Sprinklers', version) The Enterprise, just sat their, and let the Klingon's, blow them to the stars. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/04/16 at 05:01:13 Star Trek, is science-fiction. The clue is in the name; I know you like your fiction. "Oh Wait, didn't the Enterprise, have means of , 'DEFENDING', themselves ?" Yep, "shields up", that is defence. The 'guns' that the crew carried? Well, "Set phasers to stun" was an option that doesn't really exist with fire-arms. But nice example, never the less. I actually prefer Star Wars to Star Trek (I haven't much time for sci-fi, but I read the book Star Wars). Here's an interesting concept: http://i67.tinypic.com/s4ti8i.jpg |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/04/16 at 06:47:15 Well, clear that, For a special, person, should have said, “Dr. Who, and the Daleks”. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/04/16 at 07:07:49 Reply in a normal sentence, then you'll get a reply. Who is the special person who should have said "Dr Who" ..... ? Please 'Re-Wright' to make your point clear to those who wish to understand. Me? I'm just waiting for these 'many, many women' to appear on the forum. ::) |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by raydawg on 09/04/16 at 07:44:30 765148574D6E4C5B4D525B473E0 wrote:
As I posted, and no one replied, you offer a great example of what my post was about. Yes, we could say Jesus knew he was to be the Lamb. Did he know all the details, I offer not. He grieved him so much he sweat blood, and prayed to his farther to consider changing these plans..... He would not have been tempted either, while fasting, by satan. Point too, he would have told Peter to store his weapon that night an avoid the whole episode. All of this above, witnesses a man of weak flesh, through faith, and love, heals many. The power was not his, but his fathers. And these things that happened were just as much to test him, as it was to bear witness to his disciples, and to fulfill prophecy. To use a sword, in this case, as an absolute prophetic emblem, with a sole purpose, well, let me offer the possibility that it was a double edge model ;D ( Hebrews 4:12) “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” Are you guys discerners, too? Who holds themselves, in such high esteem? Then why do you not understand contempt? Does it not dwell in your own heart? You lie the loudest, when you lie to, yourself........ |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 08:16:45 To use a sword, in this case, as an absolute prophetic emblem, He sliced the guy's ear,,I don't See how it relates TO a prophecy. It Did give Jesus an opportunity to demonstrate love, prove that he Is the Christ, and an opportunity to rebuke the soldiers who could easily have arrested him many times, who now come in a group, armed as if they were heading into battle. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/04/16 at 08:22:41 That quote was written years AFTER the events in Gethsemane. But I agree with your post up until the 'Hebrews' quote. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by raydawg on 09/04/16 at 13:23:32 6B4C554A50735146504F465A230 wrote:
Ok, but many a time I have drawn only to inflict myself of what I intended on another..... And Yes, Paul ( who I believe wrote Hebrews ) tells his own story, according to his own walk, I just used the sword as a reference of a tool, not as a declaration of instructions ( to use ). As readily seen from the moment Jesus was no longer flesh, man has use scripture to judge and manipulate to his own WILL |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 15:29:06 617E787F62655464546C7E72390B0 wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Bible is not what it was meant to be. Man distorts everything and the Bible has been handled too many times by too many people to Not have been tinkered with.. Just my zeropinion. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/04/16 at 16:56:50 "I'm pretty sure the Bible is not what it was meant to be. Man distorts everything and the Bible has been handled too many times by too many people to Not have been tinkered with.. Just my zeropinion." +1 JoG It has been used as a political tool for almost 2000 years also. When it was translated into English years ago it was considered a real threat by the 'Church' because it meant that the 'lay' people could have access to it. At least the literate, rather than the Latin speaking puppet-masters. I'm intrigued as to why, around the world, most practicing Jews have a basic grasp of Hebrew, most practicing Muslims have a grasp of Arabic, but seemingly most Christians, despite following an Iron-Age Middle-Eastern political agitator, don't regard the multiple translations over millennia, as being potentially inaccurate. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/04/16 at 17:12:08 765148574D6E4C5B4D525B473E0 wrote:
What does that, have to do with, “ Pommes Frites " ? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/04/16 at 17:24:05 5D7A637C664567706679706C150 wrote:
Why are you talking about the late 1800's, when a Artist, cut off his ear ? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/04/16 at 18:23:54 4665587B7962656C0B0 wrote:
What does that, have to do with, “ Pommes Frites " ? [/quote] What? A French description of fried potatoes? :-? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/04/16 at 18:30:29 7C5F624143585F56310 wrote:
Why are you talking about the late 1800's, when a Artist, cut off his ear ? [/quote] .......................................................... I'm not, I'm talking about Caiaphas's servant, Malchus. However, the artist is more famous, hence my clarification. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/04/16 at 18:52:19 0C2B322D371436213728213D440 wrote:
What ?, NOW you are talking about something that was done in the 1st century. Then talking about something that was done, in the 18 century. What is it?. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 19:01:53 3A252324393E0F3F0F37252962500 wrote:
RAY, wanna answer this? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/04/16 at 19:02:03 MnS, I think the thread veered towards the events in the garden of Gethsemane. I mentioned the guy who couldn't listen to stereo anymore. If you are asking me why I mentioned something that was done in the 1st century, I suggest you read the previous posts. Slowly. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/04/16 at 19:05:41 75524B544E6D4F584E5158443D0 wrote:
What does that, have to do, with a couple of explorers, mapping out the UK in the 1700's ? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/04/16 at 19:08:42 05223B243E1D3F283E2128344D0 wrote:
Stereo ? What ??????? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/04/16 at 19:09:32 UK explorers, or explorers mapping the UK ? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/04/16 at 19:10:01 183B0625273C3B32550 wrote:
Stereo ? What ??????? [/quote] One ear? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 19:21:35 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
RAY, wanna answer this?[/quote] |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/04/16 at 19:37:23 Apparently to me, Jesus didn't like the idea that he was sweating blood (or shitting bricks, as we say here) when all he asked his disciples to do that particular night was to stay awake and keep a look out . The disciples were nodding off because of a strong-spirit/weak-flesh imbalance. Can I ask about the disciples' account of this, ie. the Gospels, since they were written many years later, and after all, the authors were clearly asleep? Jesus was never one to keep a diary. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by raydawg on 09/04/16 at 20:55:57 4B6C756A70537166706F667A030 wrote:
Hov..... I think you are trying to put a divine intervention into mans normal dialogue. I don't think it will ever fit. If one is not filled with the holy spirit, it will never make sense. You can not separate the trinity with any chance of trying to wrap any understanding around God.... And then it is still hard ;D If one surrenders his will, and accepts Jesus as the son, things will start to click, it like one of those decoder rings ;D Writing a falsehood, the moment an "event" happens, is still false. After centuries, if its written again, changes nothing. You can say that about truth too.... And finally, I won't add anymore after this final observation/opine (I did invite engagement, on another thread, but no one wanted to play) Any man, ANY man, of flesh, will ALWAYS relay a story to HIS understanding. Its how our minds work. We can pretend we are above bias, prejudice, intellectually superior, and honest, but that is folly. One can only grow in wisdom, and knowledge, when he CHALLENGES himself, NOT, when he defends his beliefs. In other words guys......LAY DOWN YOUR SWORD :-* |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 21:17:51 ne can only grow in wisdom, and knowledge, when he CHALLENGES himself, NOT, when he defends his beliefs. What a load. Se, if you believe that, go sit down and stop typing. If you never know hoot, what's the point? And you Never answered my question. You know, the one quoted about five times.. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by raydawg on 09/04/16 at 21:41:15 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
RAY, wanna answer this?[/quote] [/quote] Why? PS: This can be extended to your last post too ;D |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/16 at 22:15:05 So you admit you're just typing crap, okay, set to scan |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by raydawg on 09/05/16 at 07:53:56 657A7C7B6661506050687A763D0F0 wrote:
You should play the lotto if you think you are that good bro..... ::) No, that is not it. You, and/or many of us, don't want to HEAR anything that goes against what you/we believe, WHICH, was the thrust of my observation on the other reply. I am not talking fact, as a nut needs to be torqued to a certain spec, or so many ounces make a gallon, no, but a BELIEF we hold. Like, IF global warming is real, or IF God is real, or..... Your understanding is based upon IF You quote the thoughts, and beliefs, that you have gathered elsewhere, and challenge us, to understand it. I challenge you back, to challenge yourself! Your whole conception is predicated on IF the readings you acquire are real, accurate, truthful, and not a essay of other "if's" gathered through summations, assumptions, and perceptions. I will give you this example, tho extremely simple, it bears testimony to the theory of comparison..... A man tethers his horse to take his wares to town to sell. He chooses one of his horses from his stall of many. Along the way, he is overcome by thieves. they rob him of his belongings. That is a fact. Now, the same scenario, EXCEPT, he chooses a different horse. Such a minor detail, but is it? This horse travels at a different gait. Which has the possibility of putting the man at a different spot on that journey IF the robbers kept to their previous schedule, and therefor MIGHT have missed the opportunity to rob him. I don't think you will grasp this, for I don't believe you want too, for if you accepted the nature of your challenges ( to us ) you would see your motivation is vested in your needs, more that entertaining other POV's. Pay close attention to #3 in the definition of If, I listed below. If only we would understand what Jog is trying to share with us..... All would be right in the next election outcome. I'm done bro. I don't like getting this heavy, through a very weak portal, too hard to dialogue, sorry. If | Definition: 1. a : in the event that b : allowing that c : on the assumption that d : on condition that 2 : whether <asked if the mail had come> <I doubt if I'll pass the course> 3 —used as a function word to introduce an exclamation expressing a wish <if it would only rain> 4 : even though : although perhaps <an interesting if untenable argument> 5 : and perhaps not even <few if any changes are expected> —often used with not <difficult if not impossible> if anything : on the contrary even : perhaps even <if anything, you ought to apologize> |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/16 at 08:05:25 To use a sword, in this case, as an absolute prophetic emblem, Maybe if I understood the terminology.. I really am not familiar with the term Prophetic emblem. And I'm not tracking with the explanation yet. I'll read it again.. I'm really tired of being told that I won't listen to what I don't already believe. What I believe NOW is completely different from what I believed about the way things work when I was ten, and then twenty, and thirty ,, tuning, honing, inspecting, questioning and discarding things that simply get demonstrated to be false. I'm not DONE, so I don't know everything. But I Have been brutal with myself while I got to here. The emotional pain of seeing what parts of a heart are wrong, then going to God so he can rebuild it Right sucks. But being reborn is worth it. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by raydawg on 09/05/16 at 09:19:31 But being reborn is worth it Truth ;D |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/05/16 at 12:28:48 2D3E263B3E28385F0 wrote:
I Agree. Many, Accidents, can be avoided, by just being aware. (Kinna like M.C. Riding) But, Some, just are, fate. About 45 years ago, I was in a car accident. A person, hit my left rear quarter. A 'T' Bone. That, part, is a Fact. But, IF, (in the 12 miles I drove before the accident) I traveled, ONE Second Slower, or One Second Faster ? What, IF ? Drivers Door, or miss? But, we can't run around, saying, 'What If' every min of every day. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/05/16 at 17:26:45 7C5B425D476446514758514D340 wrote:
If you can only understand, 'Proper', English, and only the, 'Kings Version'. It is rather clear you have not read, Chaucer. I can understand, JOG, Raydawg, and many others, As Well as, Chaucer. Heck, I even understand, Bot's, 'one liners'. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by cheapnewb24 on 09/05/16 at 19:36:49 Well, Well, Well... I'm not the only one that has 8 page threads around here! ;D |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/07/16 at 12:01:05 41625F7C7E65626B0C0 wrote:
If you can only understand, 'Proper', English, and only the, 'Kings Version'. It is rather clear you have not read, Chaucer. I can understand, JOG, Raydawg, and many others, As Well as, Chaucer. Heck, I even understand, Bot's, 'one liners'. [/quote] .................................................... I can honestly say that I've never heard the phrase 'Kings version' or indeed the phrase "Kings English" before, in any conversation I have ever had, to do with language. I was born after February 1952. MnS, considering your multiple references to the Queen and UK sovereignty, I'm surprised you refer to the King!. MnS, I think you are lying when you say that you can understand Chaucer. Chaucer wrote in 'Middle English'. The very first line of the Canterbury Tales includes "shoures soote", meaning "sweet showers", for example, which I don't believe (on it's own) that you would understand by reading it. In fact, your command of Modern English (whether British English, American, Irish or Australian English) is measurable by your sentence, and I quote: " It is rather clear you have not read, Chaucer." I believe that Chaucer had read, but as he isn't a member of the forum (and died 600 years ago) he isn't likely to respond to the statement that you directed at him. Here's an idea; *To prove that your claim isn't utter BS, why don't we set up a pre-arranged Skype session. *Here, you can demonstrate your ability to read Middle English. The session can be recorded by us both, and we can both post it to this forum, for others to enjoy. *If it appears that you can understand Chaucer/Middle English, then I will make a donation to a local charity, such as a kids or cancer charity, of $50, and post the receipt on the forum as proof. *If it appears that you can't understand this antiquated language from the 1300's, then you get to donate $50 to a similar charity, etc. *This is not "apeiren" you, but to identify BS. So, in a nutshell, if you believe your own claim, then I'll be both humiliated and I'll be $50 worse off. You have nothing to lose, plus a charity gains funds. You'll own Hovis' "ers", and I'll promise never to post here again (with the exception of the Marketplace). Plus, these "many, many women" that you claimed exist (end of last year, before your disappearance) won't actually need you to 'protect them' from me. Everybody wins! MnS, PM me with details so we can get the ball rolling. Until then, I'll maintain 'radio silence'. |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/07/16 at 17:59:27 00273E213B183A2D3B242D31480 wrote:
Gee, DA !!!!! Your Funny ! Lets say, I typed the word, ‘color’, or the word, ‘colour’. ( as describing things that are, red, blue, yellow, etc.) Either way, you would respond with, ’that is wrong’. Chaucer, yes very hard to read. But, Understanding, (because of the context), makes it easier. Same as Hardy, much less hard to read, but understanding the, context, makes it easier. As to staring a PM discussion, I simply don’t have enough, Free Food, available, to feed a troll. ( I actually, have a 'LIFE', which encompasses, Many things, outside of this Forum) And of course, I feel that much of my, 'free', time is better spent, ’Shooting a, (GASP), GUN’, out my back door, or on the range in my yard, rather than having to go to Another, COUNTRY, to be able to shoot. (Which in the post, which you said you did, you TOTALLY, MIS-DESCRIBED, the caliber, and nomenclature of the firearms you were going to fire) “…Until then, I’ll maintain ‘radio silence'. …” Don’t care, what you say, in your opinion, on subjects brought up here. (Although I, LMAS, when I see you respond about a election, you have NOTHING to do with) GEE !!!!!!! A Least, I, never said, ‘YOU Teach to KILL’. ( GEE, all out of food for today) |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by MnSpring on 09/07/16 at 18:03:34 60475E415B785A4D5B444D51280 wrote:
A question, 'Who are, "Hovis' "ers", ? |
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Title: Re: Offended by everything, tolerant of nothing, Post by HovisPresley on 09/08/16 at 05:46:14 1635082B2932353C5B0 wrote:
A question, 'Who are, "Hovis' "ers", ? [/quote] ............................................................. "Ers" is a word that Chaucer used. I used it here in context. "Color", (or liter, armor, valor, etc) is not wrong at all, in context. American English is just as valid as British English. How you use that language to communicate is the key. The proposed PM was just to swap details and arrange a time/date for a charity fundraiser. "Staring" or even 'starting' a discussion by PM was clearly not my intent. I like things open and in public. Your "And of course, I feel that much of my, 'free', time is better spent, ’Shooting a, (GASP), GUN’, out my back door...." rather than raising money for a local charity.....speaks volumes. Two minutes to set up a Skype account, one minute to PM me, and five minutes of your time for the actual event. Is the idea of a few minutes of your time to raise $50 for a local kids/cancer charity too much to ask because you time is better spent shooting a gun out of your back door? :-[ I've had enough of this BS. I'm going to 'exit stage left'. |
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