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Title: Get use to it....... Post by raydawg on 08/30/16 at 04:57:28 Here, let me say it first, Madam President ;D Whine, bicker, blame, all you want gang, but she is the fruit of our spawn. The right has not been able to topple the Clinton machine, and they won't now, regardless of how many more accusations are leveled against them, or emails released. The right had its chances, but the Clinton's out played them, period. I don't think she is an extension of Obama, he is an ideologue, and stubborn to a fault, that has caused his own problems. In one respect, he shares that same trait with the conservatives, and we see how that hasn't worked even tho the people gave them historical chances with elections results. Hillary is an opportunist. They use all the tools to their maximum advantage. If the right will just give her rope, instead of their constant temper tantrums and investigations, really guys, how have those worked for you ::) She'll prolly hang herself at the hands of all the folks she used when she can't deliver. Madam President, you deserve your just reward, wallow in it..... |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by raydawg on 08/30/16 at 08:15:14 Thinking a little bit more about the Clinton's..... You know who they must have study? Reagan. Think about it, he was called the Teflon president. He reduced any critiquing back to the accursing, with simple rebuffing like, " there they go again" minimizing and ridicurring while not engaging.... It appeals to the distracted and simple minded folk, a plausible sound bite. Remember his simple remark, mister Gorbachev tear down this wall.... Great marketing ;D |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by raydawg on 08/30/16 at 09:23:57 Oh, and remember how he skirted, uh, not like Willie, but I mean the law, with Iran-Contra? The libs yelled bloody hell, hearings, investigations..... Gee..... Anybody see a pattern here...... Jog? ;D |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by Serowbot on 08/30/16 at 10:06:42 Isn't opportunism, the American way?... ...or at least the Conservative way?... :-? |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by raydawg on 08/30/16 at 11:44:31 4056415C44515C47330 wrote:
Yes, I think you could say necessity is the mother of invention, which leads to opportunity. However, the flip side is to enable and deny ( them you seek to help ) self worth, and value, at overcoming their depenancy. If we extend our reasoning, and thinking, to the extreme end of the spectrum, which, seems to garner the most attention, which, gives the impression we are further apart, than we are in common. Which, I don't believe, however, it makes it easier to ignite emotions and assure ones power. |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by Serowbot on 08/30/16 at 15:21:53 Odds are,.. 77% Hillary will win... Trump 23%... If I were on the other side,.. I'd start getting used to it.. Mail-in voting starts in just a few weeks... those votes are hard to come back from. I don't see Trump changing any minds,.. just confusing them... Is he going to deport illegals?... yes and no, sort'a... Ban Muslims?... kinda', in a way, a little... Build a wall?... it could happen,.. or not... Bring in Hispanic Black, and Asian votes?... no frikkin' way on God's green earth... :-? |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by raydawg on 08/30/16 at 16:27:13 4553445941545942360 wrote:
Dude, the only thing, and I mean ONLY THING, that makes sense to me, in explaining Trump being where he is, the finalist of the repub party, is that the Clinton Machine orchestrated it. I have absolutely no idea how it could be pulled off, but any other of those clowns that took the stage on the first debate would prolly smack her, yet.... Again, I'll default that with her in office, it will be like the last act of a horrible stage show, and the curtain will fall, never to be raised the same way again. It is almost biblical, like Jesus having to be crucified, for sinners like me, to make it to heaven. We are at the end of deceptions, time and resources are running out, not to mention technological advances with computers/communications, is making it harder to lie, and hide the deceit. The older generation who still gathers information like they did when the dinosaurs walked the planet, well, almost... is dying off. It is the last stronghold of innocent ignorance, that can be easily manipulated, much the same way the traveling carnival, use to get folk to pay, to believe, these freak shows, by prank displays..... Or, lying eyes. We'll see, I reckon, that shall prove worth the admission, eh Barnum. |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by LostArtist on 08/30/16 at 19:38:25 4F5C44595C4A5A3D0 wrote:
Dude, the only thing, and I mean ONLY THING, that makes sense to me, in explaining Trump being where he is, the finalist of the repub party, is that the Clinton Machine orchestrated it. I have absolutely no idea how it could be pulled off, but any other of those clowns that took the stage on the first debate would prolly smack her, yet.... Again, I'll default that with her in office, it will be like the last act of a horrible stage show, and the curtain will fall, never to be raised the same way again. It is almost biblical, like Jesus having to be crucified, for sinners like me, to make it to heaven. We are at the end of deceptions, time and resources are running out, not to mention technological advances with computers/communications, is making it harder to lie, and hide the deceit. The older generation who still gathers information like they did when the dinosaurs walked the planet, well, almost... is dying off. It is the last stronghold of innocent ignorance, that can be easily manipulated, much the same way the traveling carnival, use to get folk to pay, to believe, these freak shows, by prank displays..... Or, lying eyes. We'll see, I reckon, that shall prove worth the admission, eh Barnum. [/quote] the Clinton machine had NOTHING to do with Trump voters, He won those votes all by himself. The Republican base HATES Hillary, just look at JOG for example, do you think there's ANYTHING that the Clinton Machine could do to persuade JOG to do ANYTHING??? He'd look at the source and do everything he could to bring it down and do the exact opposite of what the Clinton's wanted. Trump got to where he is on his own, with the support of the hate filled right wing crazies. |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by raydawg on 08/30/16 at 20:24:25 You think Jerry E. is crazy? You assign such a vulgar assessment to every person who voted for him because of your infinite wisdom......? Or maybe you are familiar with hating. Your single mindedness echoes the thinking and reasoning of a KKK member I might guess. I'm sure it does you proud. |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by Serowbot on 08/30/16 at 23:41:49 There is a well known behaviour,.. when a belief becomes a faith,.. any proofs or attacks, just serve to reinforce it. The emotional investment is too strong to back away from, regardless of the evidence. Like a cornered dog, the cornering reinforces the defence mechanism. I will admit,.. I am susceptible as much as anyone else. But, this is why I trust in science, and empirical evidence. If my defence goes up,... I have chosen to trust the combined consciousness of humanity to steer me. Trump asked for a gigantic leap of faith... To those that took up the challenge, they are now, too invested to let go. From within, this feels like strength,.. from the outside, it is sadly hopeless. Reality is calling... this emperor gas no clothes... :-? I, personally,.. have no fear of Trump, or his support... My science, which includes statistical averaging of polls and surveys,... says Trump has no chance, barring Hillary being struck by lightening.... or Trump transforming into a butterfly. I would like to believe in a god... and fairness and justice, and eternal life. ...but, you can't choose to believe. I would like some things to be like they were... ...but I know time does not go backwards. In politics, I will choose the best path forward... not back. There is no going back,.. that is just a wish. Make America great again, is just a wish... The promise is empty,.. it has no details, plan, or direction... The past is whitewashed by our nostalgia anyway... :-? |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/31/16 at 00:38:10 Ohhh, yes, it's HATE to Not want a cackling warmonger in office. Imagine the uproar if Trump was associated with so many dead people. It's an open secret that the Clinton foundation is a money laundering operation. But trump is bad. me and resources are running out, not to mention technological advances with computers/communications, is making it harder to lie, and hide the deceit. We have plenty of video of lies from both sides.. nothing matters. People still insist on supporting them. |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by raydawg on 08/31/16 at 03:30:29 1204130E16030E15610 wrote:
Fair enuff...... I'll let your sharing stand on its own merit, wishing, since you appear to not give much faith to prayer ;) That your choices, and actions, provide enough sustainability to allow you live, and exit, this life in peace... |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/31/16 at 05:46:04 Time need not roll backwards in order to have the economy and society of yesterday. Does time have to go backwards in order to unscrew a screwup you made? We are where we are as the result of certain decisions. We can adjust behaviour and affect the way things are. The best way forward is Not more of what got us here. Never Hillary. That's MOTS on steroids. More of the same. |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by WebsterMark on 08/31/16 at 07:59:39 66797F7865625363536B79753E0C0 wrote:
Outstanding answer JOG. It's incorrect to say the conservative ideology is an automatic step backwards, it's not. |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by raydawg on 08/31/16 at 10:12:04 No, it's not, but if you use feminist talking points, they think conservatives want the women back in the kitchen, barefoot, and pregnant.... Instead of just an outlet for Willies seamen [ch128523] |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by LostArtist on 08/31/16 at 13:27:30 2D3E263B3E28385F0 wrote:
did I say with ONLY the support of right wing crazies?? No, I did not. but thanks for reading into my post to serve your own goals to discredit me. Jerry E. has lost a ton of my respect, I"m giving him the benefit of the doubt that because he is so PRO business, he believes that a Business person is best suited to running the country, I'd vehemently disagree with him on that and beyond that, could he at least support a really successful business person, like Carly Fiorina? Trump is only successful because he's a train wreck that is entertaining, it's more like supporting a celebrity than a business person. I don't even think JOG is crazy, he's just desperate for a change and he thinks Trump is his best hope for it, it's a LONG LONG shot at best JOG. the reality is that both JOG and Jerry E. are hard core dedicated REPUBLICANS, the republicans could run a Pauly Shore and they'd vote straight ticket Republican. And because of the demonization of Hillary, a lot of Trump supporters are just anti-Hillary, instead of taking this opportunity to send a message to BOTH political parties and vote 3rd party, they either want to win, or believe that voting their actual conscious is somehow a vote for the other main party candidate. don't forget, your singlemindedness is what led me to answer as such. after all, it was YOU that said "Dude, the only thing, and I mean ONLY THING, that makes sense to me, in explaining Trump being where he is, the finalist of the repub party, is that the Clinton Machine orchestrated it." |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by old.indian on 08/31/16 at 14:10:13 VOTE For The Anarchist Party !!!!! Our party platform is "Fire Them All and Start over with HONEST people ...."Remember there is no such critter as an "Honest Politician" ! |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by LostArtist on 08/31/16 at 14:19:17 5F4046415C5B6A5A6A52404C07350 wrote:
TIME DOESN'T GO BACKWARDS. what kinda crap answer is this? the economies of Europe, China, Brazil, India, Mexico, etc.... have all changed since yesterday, THERE IS NO GETTING THAT "ECONOMY OF YESTERDAY" BACK. you can't FIX other countries successes to suit your desire for yesterday's policies that don't work today because everything around them has CHANGED. You can't fix your screw up because all the conditions around it have changed. adopting yesterday's policies will only HURT us, because the rest of the world is already embracing tomorrow now if you want fair business practices for all over the world .... doesn't that make you for one world government? |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/31/16 at 15:40:46 So, you agree that all the trade deals Should Not be reconsidered, possibly thrown out? You agree with repealing Glass Steagall? You agree with the QE policies and we should continue? Looking back at decision-making and policies is a waste of time, because Everything is different? Seems to me that changing economic and political and social environments would REQUIRE looking back at decision-making and policies, to address the changing times. It LOOKS like the decisions of yesterday have negatively impacted Today. In My life, I can look back and change things so that my Tomorrows aren't so negatively impacted. The nation is no different. We can change things and mitigate the damage or blindly march forward, after Seeing the mistakes. Doesn't sound smart to me. And while some people hysterically proclaim that nothing can be done, there is no precedent to demonstrate that is correct. People make mistakes, realize it, and change their approach. Corporations do it. America NEEDS to try it. Like Not voting dem after fifty years of mistakes, what have you got to lose? Why not TRY looking back at obvious mistakes, read, Everything, and change direction. Why just throw up your hands and scream as you go off the cliff? Why not try turning? |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by LostArtist on 08/31/16 at 18:41:43 706F696E73744575457D6F63281A0 wrote:
Dude, I agree with this "Seems to me that changing economic and political and social environments would REQUIRE looking back at decision-making and policies, to address the changing times." but as long as it's LOOKING FORWARD, to do what's right for the future, not to do what WAS right for 60 years ago. learning from past mistakes is key, but it's key that you learn a LESSON and not learn a behavior. voting is a behavior. otherwise looking back is just playing a blame game. cause if you look at your list, there are lots of Democrats that would agree with you on all those topics. oh, and what cliff??? |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/31/16 at 19:49:01 I'm done with answering ridiculous crap. I NEVER SUGGESTED that we should revisit mistakes and USE SOLUTIONS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED THEN. The You're Stupid But I will save you Game is over. What cliff? That's a metaphor. But, in America today, it's a pretty good one to consider. If you'd bother to read the books I suggest, the cliff would be obvious. Or does it not matter the debt we are in? The wars? Unemployment? Imported terrorists? What cliff? What a joke. |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by LostArtist on 08/31/16 at 20:28:23 4E5157504D4A7B4B7B43515D16240 wrote:
Debt is a bit concerning but only a bit, people have been complaining about it since Reagan all but Doubled it (yeah, it's happened before Obama) The Wars suck but we'er in them fro the long haul now, and, regardless of record, I think Clinton will keep us out of more and Trump will get us in at least 2 more and falsely declare victory Unemployment is fine, it's like 5% Underemployment and those that have stopped looking, well, there are multiple reasons for that so it's really hard to judge how much that really means, since it's never been used before to judge economic strength The Boston Marathon bombers are the only imported terrorists so far, the rest were HOME GROWN. Your cliff looks like a mild decline now. |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/31/16 at 20:42:08 You just declared things are okay.. And boy, lookie! |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by LostArtist on 08/31/16 at 22:07:21 67787E7964635262526A78743F0D0 wrote:
Things are okay here, actually looking up, 2017 is going to be a good year. |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 02:36:44 You are aware that the unemployment numbers are far from accurate, right? And what are your savings earning? You Do remember savings, right? |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by raydawg on 09/01/16 at 05:10:24 233C3A3D20271626162E3C307B490 wrote:
Jog, I raised 4 children. All are successful and free of baggage. One of my sons just plopped down 650k on a house in SoCal.... Goodness, I asked him where he got that scratch, he said dad, we are doing ok..... I guess so. Anyway, back to my point before this old mind wandered.... All of them were 2 years old once, for a whole year. I learned to just say something once, then just listen to them. It worked great. ;D |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 06:04:31 That's not the statistical norm. It's good, it's Great, actually. But for purposes of this discussion, we are talking about the average person. Also, I saw the unemployment figure posted. It's a lie. It excludes those who have lost their houses and the car, and can no longer get a job. The government Admits that they don't count the people whose benefits have expired. What do they do? Buy a lake house and retire? Idiots! They should have quit the job Years ago... and just Lived! I saw in the post a complete lack of empathy for the unemployed. It was as if he thought they were somehow living large, once unemployment ran out.. 5% unemployment? That would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic. I've posted Shadowstats several times. http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts Read that intro first. 23% is the closer to correct number. I thought everyone knew that the Official numbers are lies. Ohh, they are Real enough.. in the narrow application, but, it's not even close to the Real picture. |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by LostArtist on 09/01/16 at 18:56:54 76696F6875724373437B69652E1C0 wrote:
they are only far from accurate if you include those that have stopped looking for work. WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN INCLUDED BEFORE, but I guess Obama is special again |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by LostArtist on 09/01/16 at 19:18:48 Here's what seems to be an unbiased source for unemployment statistics: http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate.jsp This includes links to compare all 6 unemployment numbers. The U3 is the "official unemployment number" that has been used for DECADES as a comparative figure UNTIL OBAMA, when his adversaries started pulling out the U4, U5, and U6 numbers And even with the U6 numbers, which is the worst one, THERE ARE NO NUMBERS ABOVE 18. now in some communities, like among black teens, I think I've heard it as up to like JOG said, 23 or something, but on AVERAGE, nothing above 18 now that's from a normal, no JOG site, Shadowstats isn't reliable: http://www.rationalskepticism.org/general-debunking/debunking-shadowstats-t38187.html so JOG, when you bring your own facts that are falsified to prove secret biases and hidden agendas of the illuminati or whatever, well, I'm starting to like you, but I'll never be able to trust you because you don't keep it 17 inches, you change the rules and fake the stats to prove your point, just like the rest of the conservative media |
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Title: Re: Get use to it....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/16 at 19:58:23 So, you can come in hollering about the unemployment numbers, saying it's about 5%, and THAT IS A LOAD, But, MY source is Unreliable.. But YOURS wasn't? What kinda chikienshitt is that? |
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