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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Clunking going into first. /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1471651911 Message started by norm92de on 08/19/16 at 17:11:51 |
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Title: Clunking going into first. Post by norm92de on 08/19/16 at 17:11:51 I have found that when I stop for gas, after restarting, going into first makes a god-awful clunk In traffic if I give the bike time, clutch disengaged, no problem. In this situation I usually put the bike in gear push it back a bit to break the clutch and start in gear. which of course precludes the clashing of gears. I don't like loading the starter by doing this but 'the lesser of evils' Anybody got a comment. :) |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/19/16 at 17:31:03 Sidestand up, start in first? |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by Serowbot on 08/19/16 at 17:33:29 Clunk is just normal... It's trying to sound like a Harley... My Sporty does it way better... |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by Tocsik on 08/19/16 at 17:34:30 try pulling the clutch in and waiting a moment before trying to shift into first. If it's smoother, might to adjust the clutch cable a bit |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by verslagen1 on 08/19/16 at 18:22:12 does your clutch drag a bit at stops? where's the throwout lever in relation to the marks on the case? may need to change the rod. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by batman on 08/19/16 at 19:46:59 It clunks,it rattles,it wines and it farts out the tail pipe! It's a savage !get over it! |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by sauvage on 08/19/16 at 21:23:03 Glad someone finally asked this, I've been wondering about the almighty clunk now I don't have to worry. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by CarnivalOfRust on 08/19/16 at 21:52:22 I had a Kawasaki KX125 that I absolutely abused the clutch on. I weigh about 250 and that poor bike had to work four years with me on its back. Early on in owning it I found the clutch completely locked up. I hadn't realized it but this had been building up with warning signs like hard shifting, gray colored trans fluid, clutch-in stops killing the motor, and then the clutch would lock up after a day or so of sitting. I changed the oil and kept it fresh from then on and never had a symptom again. This is all extreme scenario for a street cruiser, but adjusting your clutch cable so it fully disengages the clutch and running fresh oil will keep your clutch happy. If you get you get your cable set so it disengages nicely but you have no free play at the lever then it may be time for a new cable, or possibly some clutch work. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by Kris01 on 08/19/16 at 21:54:45 It's normal. 1st is always very loud. Sometimes, if I'm lucky, I can get an extremely quiet shift into the upper gears. It's smooth as butter and quiet as a morgue. Don't ask me how I do it. I don't know. The Savage was not designed to be a smooth, comfortable motorcycle. Suzi Q didn't put billions of dollars in R&D in this thing. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by Savageman on 08/19/16 at 21:55:15 Sounds like your clutch is not disengaging all the way. A small amount of clunk or gear clash is normal while it breaks the spinning clutch loose. But is it isn't disengaging all the way then it would be more of a clunk or clash sound. Does the bike lurch forward a little when you put it in gear? Check for to much clutch lever free play then the release arm position. Like Versy said may be a short throwout arm and you need a longer one. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by Dave on 08/20/16 at 04:37:32 When I first start my bike up and the engine is cold, the oil is thick and the first click into gear is always the loudest. My driveway slopes slightly downhill.....so I pull in the clutch, have my left foot on the shifter, and with my right foot I push off and get the bike rolling....and shift into gear while the bike is rolling forward, and it softens the clunk a bit. After that......I just do things normally and let it make a little noise when going from neutral to first gear. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/20/16 at 06:19:25 I just do things normally You just keep on telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by norm92de on 08/20/16 at 07:24:39 Dave, Mine is the opposite. It goes into gear, after cold starting, like butter? When I stop for gas and the bike is stopped for about 3 min or so it tries to rip the dogs off first gear. That's why I start in gear after fueling.??? The clutch seems to be adjusted properly. It doesn't make sense to me. The S40 gearbox isn't bad at all as long as finesse is used. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by Dave on 08/20/16 at 07:29:19 That is weird....normally the clutch releases easier once the engine is warmed up and the oil is thinner. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by KennyG on 08/20/16 at 07:34:42 Norm, I would think that your clutch is dragging slightly if it has an excessive clunk going into gear when the engine is warm. When I stop to add petrol I always stop in gear. After I fill the fuel tank I push the bike forward a few feet while holding the clutch lever in to separate the clutch discs. I then push the shifter into neutral and start the engine and put it into gear without the clunk. There is nothing more embarrassing than some wise ass kid in the back of mum's minivan hollering out the window "Hey mister grind me a pound" followed with a hysterical laugh. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by Serowbot on 08/20/16 at 08:00:44 A clunk is normal,... if it has trouble going from neutral into 1st at a stop, try releasing the clutch lever and pulling it back in... It'll snick right into place... 8-) |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by norm92de on 08/20/16 at 12:09:11 Thanks for the replies everybody. I must have a very low tolerance for first gear clunks. My Triumph does it also but not to the same extent :'( |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by batman on 08/20/16 at 13:50:56 Norm, Our trans are synchromesh, that means the gears need to be turning at nearly the same speed to engage.In any gear this happens because the gears on both trans shafts are moving,not so in neutral,the gears on the output shaft are stopped,makeing it harder, thus the clunk.Don't like the clunk ?stop the bike in gear,with the kill switch,fill, swing the kickstand up, hit the starter and go ! |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by norm92de on 08/20/16 at 13:59:03 Batman, That's what I do but I don't like loading up the starter. :) |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by Kris01 on 08/21/16 at 09:03:35 With the clutch lever pulled in (while in gear), how does this harm the starter? |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by norm92de on 08/21/16 at 10:15:41 Kris, I don't know about harming the starter but the load is greater on it when the bike is in gear because the starter has to rotate the clutch plates as well as the engine. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by Riley on 08/21/16 at 11:13:02 6E574C561514250 wrote:
One of those 'will cause it to wear prematurely over the course of years' things and it is technically true. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by batman on 08/21/16 at 14:17:31 THe only time I'm concerned with starting in neutral is when the oil is cold ,if your fueling up the bike has been run ,the oil is warm, and the bike should fire up pretty fast.the starter isn't working that hard,damage to the starter is more likely to happen from extend cranking-over heating. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by Danero on 08/21/16 at 14:19:40 I have a new 2016 and I get abnormal clunking from 2nd to 3rd. Bike has only 400 kms on clock so I'm hoping it will go away over time. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by norm92de on 08/21/16 at 14:52:12 I find that shifting slowly between firs and second and also into 3rd works best. Our transmission doesn't like to be rushed. :) |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/16 at 18:58:08 I rip through gears, it's not clumsy or noisy. The transmissions on the two I've ridden were identical in ease, quickness and generally quiet. It's as good as any and better than some. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by Kris01 on 08/21/16 at 19:23:10 72736E71252E78791C0 wrote:
In my experience with a cold engine, shifting slowly into 1st, it will grind. Once warmed up - no problem. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by norm92de on 08/21/16 at 21:24:52 In my experience it goes into gear like butter when cold. When hot, I have to hold in the clutch to allow the gears to stop rotating. But, if I stop the engine and then restart it makes a god/awful clunk. Like I said at the beginning of this discussion.---- Dam fi no. :'( |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by Savageman on 08/21/16 at 22:28:09 Record and Post the sounds it makes. Then compare it to a new S40 at a dealer. You might need new clutch discs if they aren't breaking loose or a longer throw out rod. Sometimes even the throw out cam inside the clutch cover gets worn bent or broke. Check Barnett brand kevlar discs. I use them and they are silky smooth and grip tight. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by gizzo on 08/22/16 at 15:18:50 484B5E474B441E122A0 wrote:
There I fixed it for you. Its the opposite of syncromesh. Dunno about you fellas but over here we call non syncro gearbox a "crash box". Or like an old vw, has a "crash first" gear. |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by gizzo on 08/22/16 at 15:21:26 123C371A2B382A31590 wrote:
Kenny, just holler him back " There's no use having teeth if you don't clean them!" ;) |
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Title: Re: Clunking going into first. Post by KennyG on 08/22/16 at 17:36:01 Gizzo, LMAO I try to remember that for the next wise assed kid. Kenny G |
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