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Message started by Tocsik on 08/12/16 at 15:32:56

Title: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by Tocsik on 08/12/16 at 15:32:56

looking at the OEM diagram for the S40 (with the pullback risers and drag bars) (http://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/2008-suzuki-boulevard-s40-ls650/o/m147543#sch552711) it shows a threaded post coming out the bottom of the pullback riser spacer and a nut that attaches from the bottom. I'm at work and have a pdf of Clymers and it shows the bar clamp/stubby riser has a through bolt that threads into the top of the riser extension. Anyone know if the through bolt and the threaded lug on the spacers are the same size and if it's 10mm?
I'm looking at getting spacers made or using deep sockets but want to know how it's all put together there first.
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k548/Tocsik87/risers_zpszghgpsqi.jpg (http://s1115.photobucket.com/user/Tocsik87/media/risers_zpszghgpsqi.jpg.html)

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by verslagen1 on 08/12/16 at 15:57:14

You can use 10mm or 3/8" thru bolt.
If you're using 3/8" drive sockets, use the 3/8" bolt.
10mm don't fit.

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by norm92de on 08/12/16 at 17:01:56

In answer to your question. The bolts at the top are 10mm x 1.25 pitch, just like the bottom bolts.
3/8" U.S. bolts are a bit smaller. The assembly is better if you use metric bolts. Less wobble, but if you are not too fussy the 3/8" size works.

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by norm92de on 08/12/16 at 17:08:29

As a matter of fact, Versy made me some risers, 3", for just what you are talking about. They work very well, not too radical but enough of a change to be noticeable. Plus if you think a bit more is necessary they can be cut down a bit more as long as the bars don't hit the tank. :)

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by Tocsik on 08/15/16 at 08:18:04

norm, do you have a pic of those risers?

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by Tocsik on 08/15/16 at 08:42:03

question for those who have changed the risers:
Were you able to find 6" hardened steel bolts with hex cap heads? The Ace near me doesn't have them and they are usually great for hardware.
If not, how did you tighten things down using a hex head bolt? Since the bolt head is recessed in the bottom of the clamp, it looks like the only way to hold it while tightening the nut below is to wedge a flat blade screwdriver against one of the sides of the hex and this seems like it might mar the aluminum on the clamp.

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by KennyG on 08/15/16 at 08:45:27

Tocsik,

Go to an industrial nut and bolt supply house and you should be able to pickup the bolts that you need.

Probably Fastenal can order them.

Kenny G

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by norm92de on 08/15/16 at 08:59:40

Tocsic,
Here you go. The bolts I used are from Tractor Supply 3/8" x 6" 96 cents including nuts. Hex head and they were no problem to tighten. I may change them to metric later.

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by verslagen1 on 08/15/16 at 09:10:15

If you have the new style bar clamp, then you have to use an allen head bolt (I don't have any so? )
Allen head bolts by default are of a higher grade material then standard bolts.

If you have the old style, they have a socket for the hex head bolts.
Clamp a bar in there and it won't turn.

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by norm92de on 08/15/16 at 09:18:41

FWIW.
The risers feel a lot more natural to me. More involved, not perched on the bike. Also I believe less mirror vibration and a side benefit is less weight on my tailbone so the seat feels a bit more comfortable. I think it is a worthwhile mod for minimum expense. :)

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by Tocsik on 08/15/16 at 09:34:51

Versy,
Can you make the risers with each end tapped M10X1.25 to a depth of about 25mm? If so, the stock hardware can be used up top and then we could just get short bolts for the bottom.

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by verslagen1 on 08/15/16 at 09:59:43

While I could, I don't think it's in your best interest.
Those risers have a integral stud to have a more reliable connection.
Putting threads in the spacer would put threads at the most likely place to bend and someplace down the line break.

Since the bar clamp has a bridge that connects both sides, you can assemble the risers w/out the bar attached.

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by Tocsik on 08/15/16 at 10:06:11

Gotcha. Just struggling to find 6" or 150mm socket cap screws.

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by Tocsik on 08/15/16 at 10:09:40

norm, I see your bike is a 2014. How did you tighten down the hex head bolts up top?

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by norm92de on 08/15/16 at 10:58:28

Tocsic,
I had no problem, the hex bolts didn't try to move. I had it off twice and just used a 14mm wrench at the bottom only.

I have found some SS socket head bolts locally that are 160mm long I may buy those but the cheapo 3/8" bolts seem to be working fine. :)

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by norm92de on 08/15/16 at 11:04:54

Tocsic,

The length of the risers could be a bit less but 3" works out fine with the stock controls without any problems, which might be the case if you make them much shorter.

Versy ought to put out a kit ready to go. No chasing around for bolts etc.

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by verslagen1 on 08/15/16 at 11:50:51

Hey Norm, I didn't tell you, but I just sprayed those with WD-40 to prevent corrosion durring shipping. You should at least wax them.

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by norm92de on 08/15/16 at 12:19:08

In El Paso corrosion is not on the cards. ;D

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by zipidachimp on 08/15/16 at 21:43:46

local fastenal is great for 200 at a time. no singles!>:(

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by Dave on 08/16/16 at 04:37:14

697A637A7772707B7A7E63130 wrote:

local fastenal is great for 200 at a time. no singles!>:(

My local Fastenal is the same....the fasteners in stock are all in bags of 50 or more.

If you want smaller quantities they can order them and have them in a couple days - but.....they charge you shipping! I found it is actually cheaper, faster and more reliable to just go online to Fastenal and order the stuff online, and have it shipped to you. (The stainless allen screw carb sets I put together all came from Fastenal).

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by norm92de on 08/30/16 at 12:00:02

FWIW,
I fitted a pair of 3" risers that Verslagen made for me. 'Temporarily' I used 6" 3/8 x16 bolts, 94 cents nuts and all, from Tractor Supply probably made of regurgitated toffee. Anyway, I haven't got around to fitting metric socket head bolts yet and I don't think I will. The cheapos' seem to be doing everything one needs. The local store wanted about $5.00 apiece for the metric article! Hex-head wasn't problem with tightening as I expected, they just torqued down normally.-sorry Cheapnewby- :o

Title: Re: bar clamp and riser setup
Post by ohiomoto on 08/30/16 at 17:50:27

Don't be afraid to try Ace Hardware. There is one near my office that stocks a really nice selection of fasteners and metals.