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Title: Walks like a duck....... Post by raydawg on 08/06/16 at 07:46:11 (CNN)Early this year, an unmarked airplane flew to Iran, its belly filled with a most unusual load: mountains of cash. U.S. officials had gone to great lengths to collect $400 million and then ship it, stacked high on cargo pallets, as payment to the Iranian government. At almost exactly the same time, Iranian security operatives released four American prisoners, including The Washington Post's Jason Rezaian. Though news of the secret flight was only recently reported by The Wall Street Journal, it is common knowledge that at the time of the prisoner -- or hostage -- release, the United States also agreed to make a $1.7 billion payment to Iran. The $400 million shipment was to be the first installment in that payment. Despite Obama administration denials, the transaction looks very much like a ransom, adding one more disturbing layer to what was already a troubling and secretive agreement, and ensuring that relations with Iran, and the agreement over its nuclear program, will remain near the top of the agenda for the next president. Iran receives $400 million same day Americans released Iran receives $400 million same day Americans released 02:27 Indeed, in January, when the deal was announced and the hostages released, many complained that the Obama administration was paying a ransom. The White House vehemently denied it, explaining that the $1.7 billion figure had nothing to do with the prisoners. Furthermore, it argued it was a good deal for the United States, settling a $10 billion claim filed by Iran at an international tribunal in The Hague over Iranian funds frozen in 1981, a matter separate from the much larger sums involved in the agreement to dismantle Iran's nuclear program. But is the White House telling the truth? State Department Spokesman John Kirby has repeated the Obama administration's denial, stating that the talks about settling the frozen assets claim and freeing the imprisoned Americans were conducted by entirely different negotiating teams. That explanation, however, is hard to swallow. A large cash payment at a time of a prisoner release looks precisely like a ransom payment. And that's what the Iranian commander of the dreaded Basij militia called it when he said the money "was in return for the release of American spies." If Iran thinks it was ransom, then for practical purposes it was. Historically, the United States has refused to pay ransoms because it did not want to encourage future hostage situations. However, since the release of the last batch of prisoners a few weeks ago, Iran detained Robin Reza Shahini, a dual U.S.-Iranian citizen, who traveled there to visit his mother, becoming the third U.S. citizen currently imprisoned by the regime. Though we may never know the details of what was said by negotiators in working on the Iran nuclear deal, the hostage matters and the frozen funds from 1981, the picture of forklifts moving pallets loaded with mountains of euros and Swiss francs, "Breaking Bad"-style, adds to the image of U.S.-Iran negotiations as a cloak-and-dagger operation in which Iran continues to run circles around the United States. Adding to suspicions, there seems to be a great deal still unknown about the nuclear agreement. Recently, The Associated Press published an article about what it described as a confidential document easing key restrictions on Iran's nuclear activities, which, it said, could allow Tehran to build a bomb before the deal expires. Since the nuclear deal was reached, Iran's spending on its military has grown exponentially. That has allowed it to help its ally, Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, and the Hezbollah militias gain the upper hand in the Syrian war. Worse yet, just this week the country's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, stoked conspiracy theories, blaming the United States for the failed coup in Turkey and warning that negotiations with Washington on regional issues would be "a lethal poison." Iran has also stepped up its missile program, which U.N. resolutions had banned in addition to proscribing the nuclear program. After all, developing missiles capable of carrying warheads is a key requirement for a country seeking to develop a nuclear arsenal. Despite recent Iranian military spending and political rhetoric, the Obama White House views the nuclear deal as its paramount foreign policy accomplishment. And Secretary of State John Kerry has awkwardly traveled the world urging countries to invest in Iran, which remains the world's foremost state sponsor of terrorism. Persuading Iran to dismantle what world powers were convinced was a program aimed at building nuclear weapons was unquestionably a worthwhile cause. That was, in fact, the purpose of the sanctions. But it's difficult to escape the impression that America negotiated weakly even with its strong hand. Not surprisingly, the would-be occupant of the Oval Office, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump seemed to rejoice in the news. He tweeted about "incompetent" Hillary Clinton's involvement in the Iran negotiations, labeling the payment a "Scandal!" Clinton was secretary of state when the nuclear talks started, but she was long gone when negotiations dealing with the $400 million payment began. Trump certainly thinks of himself as the better negotiator -- and perhaps one who would have succeeded in getting further Iranian concessions had he been president at the time of the deal. Unfortunately, the man who co-wrote Trump's best-seller "The Art of the Deal, Tony Schwartz, calls the presidential nominee a "fugue of failure, a farce of fumbling and bumbling," whose childlike attention span leaves him chronically distracted, hardly ideal for complex negotiations. And while the top security concern this election cycle is who wins the presidency, the future of U.S.-Iran relations remains of paramount importance. Under different circumstances, the details of the Iran deal should become a major topic of discussion during this presidential election, and it still deserves deep scrutiny. What would Clinton have done differently? What does she plan to do about Iran as president? Unfortunately, the reality of this year's bizarre presidential election means the most important security question for the United States is who wins the election. But what happens to Iran after America's deeply flawed negotiations remains close to the top. QUACK QUACK........ CNN, the home of rightwing wackos ;D Anybody, ANYBODY who defends this administrations is a FRICK'N IDIOT, and Hillary wants to make it 3 terms of the same.... YOU ARE CRAZY, certifiably CRAZY VOTE LIBERTARIAN or carry water for these crooks, real simple |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/16 at 07:57:10 hough we may never know the details Talk about an understatement.. |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by raydawg on 08/06/16 at 08:57:03 253A3C3B2621102010283A367D4F0 wrote:
See how conspiratorial you are JOG...... Obama ran on the promise he would be the most open and accountable administration ever..... EXCEPT........ Those dang pesky republicans wanna play, GOTCHA :o So, it ain't his fault, just ask Bot ;D |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/16 at 11:39:35 And his college papers are hidden because why? I'm tracking, Ray. |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by Serowbot on 08/06/16 at 12:18:40 Where's Donald's?... Better yet,.. where's his tax records?... :-/ |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/16 at 15:05:26 Did he advertise as the most transparent? Your magic negro did |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by pg on 08/06/16 at 15:20:06 5B444245585F6E5E6E56444803310 wrote:
Yeah, how about it Bot? Do you know when he signed the NDAA? - Christams Eve, how about that for transparent.... How about the guy who wrote Barry-Care? ::) Best regards, |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by raydawg on 08/06/16 at 16:27:40 495E58545B4B390 wrote:
Yeah, how about it Bot? Do you know when he signed the NDAA? - Christams Eve, how about that for transparent.... How about the guy who wrote Barry-Care? ::) Best regards,[/quote] You guys are just infatuated with Bot ;D You guys know darn well Bot would let O put a shine on his riding boots, and tip him too. 50 cents can buy him healthcare for a day :-[ VOTE LIBERTARIAN........take the wheels off this bus before it gets to the cliff!!!!!!! |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 21:13:14 Yeah, Vote Libertarian and give Hillary the White House! With a split anti-Hillary vote, she'll win for sure. What's the matter with you, man? http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/cool-unhappy-071.gif So, you're okay with losing to Hillary just as long as you think your vote is going to brighten the future of the Libertarian party, huh? 'Cause it ain't gonna work this year, not with the way things are now. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Battle/throw-rocks.gif |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by raydawg on 08/06/16 at 21:24:18 3F34393D2C32392B3E6E685C0 wrote:
Nope, only the diehards want Hillary, the bernbots want another choice.... She can't crack her unfavorable, but up against Trump..... Stick with Trump, give it to her! |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 21:34:01 Everyone needs to stand behind one anti-hillary candidate. Up till now, that seems to be trump. Be prepared to vote for him if Johnson doesn't do extremely well. Remember, no third-party candidate has ever won the presidency. If Johnson does win, it will be history in the making. and you will be a part of it. If not, you just will have made Hillary win. Tough stakes, ain't it? Again, if we have a split vote between Johnson and Trump, we're screwed. The only way around that would be if Hillary's numbers dropped out the bottom, thus making her a threat no longer. What's the chance of that? |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 21:40:39 Oh, yeah. We're screwed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/05/a-new-poll-has-donald-trump-in-fourth-place-behind-hillary-clinton-gary-johnson-and-jill-stein-with-young-people/ If Hillary is as popular with the old as with young, we are so screwed. |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 21:57:32 http://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/02/polls-show-gary-johnson-taking-more-support-from-clinton-not-trump/ If it works out this way, a split vote might actually help Trump, and it goes along with what you've been saying. |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by raydawg on 08/07/16 at 06:47:33 42494440514F4456431315210 wrote:
If we can get them to the debate, its over for the other two. But they will do all they can to keep them out, Hillary just like she did with Bernie the turncoat...... Trump will prolly call Johnson a Muslim homo, or sumtin like that |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by Paraquat on 08/09/16 at 06:12:30 http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wikileaks-confirms-hillary-sold-weapons-isis-drops-another-bombshell-breaking-news/ Gives a lot more credibility to JoG's arms deal gone bad theory. --Steve |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by WebsterMark on 08/09/16 at 06:47:16 Trump IS a third party candidate! Keep that in mind. democrats are against him and the republican establishment is against him. |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by Serowbot on 08/09/16 at 07:01:07 I get it... duck, Donald... Donald Duck... It all makes sense to me now... :-? |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by verslagen1 on 08/09/16 at 09:34:54 Quote:
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Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by LostArtist on 08/15/16 at 15:49:59 are most ransoms paid with installments???? |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by LostArtist on 08/15/16 at 15:57:42 56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
They aren't hidden, any more than any other president's college records are. where's George Washington's college papers? or any other president's for the last 200 years? I've never heard such crap, check it out, but of course you won't believe it anyway http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/ why does this black man have to prove his college credit to you? when all the white men before him haven't? |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by LostArtist on 08/15/16 at 15:59:04 332C2A2D30370636063E2C206B590 wrote:
Isn't Trump running republican? the party or high moral standing? Does Trump fit your definition of being on high moral standing???? |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by pg on 08/15/16 at 18:27:12 587B67605566607D6760140 wrote:
His classmates at Columbia have no recollection of him, the department chair has no recollection of him. Factcheck, said his records where sealed by a court order, no one said it was a court order. Just like the left to use race to stiffle speech, to advance the agenda. Incidentally, no one said the republicans had high moral standing. Best regards, |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by LostArtist on 08/16/16 at 18:06:36 5245434F4050220 wrote:
His classmates at Columbia have no recollection of him, the department chair has no recollection of him. Factcheck, said his records where sealed by a court order, no one said it was a court order. Just like the left to use race to stiffle speech, to advance the agenda. Incidentally, no one said the republicans had high moral standing. Best regards,[/quote] I've been to two colleges, one for my bachelors and one for my masters degree, and I bet that no one at either school remembers me either. Not one teacher, adviser, administrator, or fellow student that is not currently my friend today. It is entirely possible to live a quiet life in school and go about the business of being educated without being known by everyone on campus. Did you actually read the fact check website?? cause it's VERY FIRST thing on that page is: "Q: Are Obama’s early records “sealed”? <---- see how it's in quotes, that means something A: No. Many records that presidential candidates don’t ordinarily release do remain confidential, but they are not “sealed” by a court. The 16 claims in a widely distributed graphic are mostly false or distorted." sooooooo.... if that's not enough, here's something under the heading "Nothing Sealed" This describes what the word "sealed" is usually interpreted as: "The idea that any Obama record is “sealed” is a falsehood, to start. The word “sealed” when applied to documents ordinarily refers to records that would normally be public, but that a judge has ruled cannot be released without the court’s permission" here's some more valuable cliff notes for ya, since reading the whole thing seems too hard ... " It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. " oh, and "right" I guess here, BROUGHT RACE INTO THIS WITH THE MAGIC NEGRO crap throughout this whole thread. and you still haven't answered why Obama is being treated completely differently than all the other presidents before him... REPUBLICANS SAY THAT THEY HAVE HIGH MORAL STANDING IN EVERY CAMPAIGN THEY RUN, FOR DECADES NOW. They are the party of family values, they are the party of "pro life", they are against gay marriage for MORAL reasons, they pass laws against "immoral behaviors" every year. they act holier than thou, because they think they ARE holier than thou. |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/16/16 at 22:57:31 https://www.mrconservative.com/2015/11/67090-breaking-obamas-college-records-are-finally-released-what-they-say-could-get-him-impeached/ |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by pg on 08/17/16 at 03:52:10 2A3D3B3738285A0 wrote:
His classmates at Columbia have no recollection of him, the department chair has no recollection of him. Factcheck, said his records were sealed by a court order, no one said it was a court order. Just like the left to use race to stiffle speech, to advance the agenda. Incidentally, no one said the republicans had high moral standing. Best regards,[/quote] I inadvertently left out the word not, the sentence should have read: Factcheck, said his records were not sealed by a court order, no one said it was a court order. Actually, not releasing them and being sealed are a bit different with the same result. They are not in the public view for a reason. Best regards, |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by Paraquat on 08/17/16 at 06:13:28 082B37300536302D3730440 wrote:
It's not my fault you have no personality. --Steve |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/17/16 at 07:56:48 I went to Odessa College one year. I assure you that my classmates and professors remember me. Four of the Future Doctors took me to the SUB to buy me a cup of coffee. And thank me, because the questions that I asked allowed them to make A's. But then I have actually never just been an anonymous cog in a wheel. Shocking, I'm sure. |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by Serowbot on 08/17/16 at 08:46:42 SO, nobody remembers the first black President of the Harvard Law Review?... Seriously?... Are you implying that never went?... Does Harvard make this sh!t up?... Has stupid no bounds?... ::) http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html Quote:
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Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by pg on 08/17/16 at 09:22:08 796F78657D68657E0A0 wrote:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWwGvvFeCPs[/media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWwGvvFeCPs Best regards, |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by Serowbot on 08/17/16 at 09:39:28 Give... up... He's not a Muslim,.. not Kenyon,... and he has a law degree.. He went to university... was President of the Harvard Law Review... ... and,... he's black... (so it must all be lies)... http://www.factcheck.org/2010/02/obama-at-columbia-university/ Quote:
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http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/recollections-of-obamas-ex-roommate/?_r=0 |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by pg on 08/17/16 at 10:34:36 Has stupid no bounds?... he's black... (so it must all be lies)... That would be two condescending assertions in the same thread. I would like to believe you are above that; however, I stand corrected. Best regards, |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by Serowbot on 08/17/16 at 11:09:42 I get tired of the same ol' cr@p.. Harvard and Colombia both confirm and are proud of having had Obama as a student,.. but you guys believe some nut on the internet over them... I can see no other possible reason for such doubt, other than racism... Have you seen Trump's birth certificate?... his university records?... tax returns?... Anything?... No questions?... He is running for President ... we know he lies daily... We know he's a braggart.... and a scam artist... ...but, these things don't raise questions?.... What else can it be?... |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by pg on 08/17/16 at 13:56:57 5147504D55404D56220 wrote:
Perhaps some people don't believe he is an honest individual. Do you believe they narrative for fast & furious, a youtube video for benghazi, or how about you can keep your doctor? His own brother said he was not an honorable person. Perhaps I am not permitted to say that because he is from Kenya? Also, I saw the video clip of the department head speaking from Columbia in which he reiterated all the same points. What else can it be or how much more would you like for me to provide? Best regards, |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/17/16 at 14:31:38 an see no other possible reason for such doubt, other than racism... Ohh my God! That's so Cute! Watching the reality challenged struggle to grasp Why, When why is obvious but uncomfortable and can only fall back to the Racism card.. That's hilarious. |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by Serowbot on 08/17/16 at 15:20:46 Don't try and cutsie your way out of it... Why do you question his birth, education, and religion?... add it up, buddy... I'm not saying you guys are racist,.. you are being guided by the racist punditry of the Conservative wing... Remember the Southern Strategy... |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by pg on 08/17/16 at 15:42:18 I am curious, what would you deem an appropriate grievance or concern where race would not be an issue? Is it possible to question anything that may go against the grain of the narrative? Best regards, |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/17/16 at 15:57:57 3224332E36232E35410 wrote:
I don't cutesy out of much. And NEVER against a reality challenged. Unable to grasp the obvious left wing moonbat. YEAH, you DID try to pretend that I am racist. I don't think I actually care any more what you think. I was pissed for a minute, but, why should I be? Why should i be bothered by someone who has demonstrated such a complete lack of a grasp of reality? |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by raydawg on 08/17/16 at 16:04:26 5A454344595E6F5F6F57454902300 wrote:
I don't cutesy out of much. And NEVER against a reality challenged. Unable to grasp the obvious left wing moonbat. YEAH, you DID try to pretend that I am racist. I don't think I actually care any more what you think. I was pissed for a minute, but, why should I be? Why should i be bothered by someone who has demonstrated such a complete lack of a grasp of reality? [/quote] Oh come on now..... You don't find his flippant one-liners entertaining, as well as revealing, so he can still keep his disillusionment intact Jog? It worked great in grade school ;D |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by Serowbot on 08/17/16 at 16:42:28 3C2B2D212E3E4C0 wrote:
You could disagree with his healthcare mandate,... why he left the wars, or why he stayed there as long as he did... Any of his policies... You could say he's not good at public speaking,.. although that would be a gross miss-caricaturization... I thought GW was not too bright... a bad public speaker, got us into 2 wars,.. one on a total lie. He cost 200.000 lives, 10,000 American, 50,000 severe injuries and disfigurements to our soldiers. Not to mention PTSD... He tanked the economy,... while giving breaks the rich... and killed the housing market, the auto industry, and "too rich to fail" was on his watch... So was 9/11 for that matter... I never questioned his birth,.. or his schooling, or citizenship... nor his religion... These things are not disagreements... they are attacks. They are to question a man's legitimacy of being... They are not grievances... With the amount of proofs given... they are illegitimate questions... The state of Hawaii says he's Hawaiian... Colombia says he's an alumni. Harvard says he is too... His Pastor says he's Christian... We've seen 2 birth certificate forms... long and short... We've heard from his family, friends, College room-mates, teachers, co-workers, Colombia, Harvard, and the US government... SO,.. where's the grievance?... Just let it go... It was wrong,.. it was racist... and it is settled beyond question. You can move on to the frikkin' e-mails and Benghazi for the next 8 years... Enjoy. |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by LostArtist on 08/17/16 at 18:13:37 657A7C7B6661506050687A763D0F0 wrote:
what, you think you're that unique, I guarantee you, teachers who have been teaching decades on end have seen tons of loudmouths just like you. You aren't as stand out as you believe yourself to be, but at least you have a healthy ego |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/17/16 at 20:37:28 I called and visited my chemistry professor every few years. You don't know squat. You don't read. People took me to THANK ME, because My questions made it possible for them to make A's. I made the highest grade, not in the class, the SCHOOL, on the lab mid term. |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by pg on 08/17/16 at 22:18:44 4650475A42575A41350 wrote:
And you would be correct on all accounts, no argument from me. Although, he did take his fair share of criticism from multiple outlets. Everything from his air national guard days, horrible public speaking, to Cheney really running his administration. He took his fair share as well. Best regards, |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by pg on 08/18/16 at 18:01:03 283E29342C39342F5B0 wrote:
How about his latest lie? The U.S. withheld a $400 million cash payment to Iran earlier this year as leverage to ensure that American prisoners would be released as the country had promised, State Department spokesman John Kirby said. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-18/state-department-admits-obama-lied-400-million-payment-iran-was-contingent-prisoner- Best regards, |
Title: Re: Walks like a duck....... Post by raydawg on 08/18/16 at 18:44:40 7661676B6474060 wrote:
How about his latest lie? The U.S. withheld a $400 million cash payment to Iran earlier this year as leverage to ensure that American prisoners would be released as the country had promised, State Department spokesman John Kirby said. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-18/state-department-admits-obama-lied-400-million-payment-iran-was-contingent-prisoner- Best regards,[/quote] It was paid in foreign currency, so, their was no intent....... Or sumtin like that ::) Next? |
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