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Title: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/05/16 at 09:43:07 What kind of chain is good to use for the chain conversion? Something like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/EK-Chain-105-530-120-530-Sport-Non-O-Ring-Chain-120-Links-Natural-/121948895073?hash=item1c64b87761:g:S84AAOSwjMJXBwED&vxp=mtr Or this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/EK-Chain-530-120-530-Standard-Series-Chain-120-Links-Natural-/361145449652?hash=item5415f23cb4:g:ty4AAOxy-WxTAkjb&vxp=mtr Looks like Savage Greg may have used a similar chain. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1174239333 They only recommend this one for 350's, though. Shame they never use horsepower rating, only cc's. Not sure what the difference is between the regular EK and the "sport." :-? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by BSTON on 08/05/16 at 11:52:30 I'm not too sure on the difference between the sport and the non-sport. Either way they are both non-sealed chains which are going to be much higher maintenance than a sealed chain. It looks like in Greg's post there are some clearance issues so this might be your only choice. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by verslagen1 on 08/05/16 at 12:23:16 In the honda forum, they talked about the upgrade to o-ring x-ring chains. They're wider then standard chains. If you have issues, you might be able to go to a 525 chain. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/05/16 at 13:00:01 Does a 525 fit 530 sprockets or 520? Would 530 be better for a cheap setup compared to 520 or 525? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/05/16 at 13:15:11 Another question: I am going to need a head gasket. What's the best deal on those? So far, $36 is the best I can come up with. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Kris01 on 08/05/16 at 13:28:13 520 chains are lighter than 530s. If you have a 520 sprocket then you need a 520 chain. They're not one size fits all. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Kris01 on 08/05/16 at 13:30:16 For the hp rating of our engine, I think any chain will be sufficient. If we were pushing over 100 hp it would be a different story. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/16 at 13:46:00 Wouldn't bigger last longer? Downside? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by BSTON on 08/05/16 at 14:00:18 As far as I know the life span of the chain isn't any different between the sizes. Like Kris said, if you're going to go with a 520 chain you would need to switch to a 520 sprocket. One advantage might be that with the 520 chain you might have the clearance to run an O-ring chain instead of the standard. This should give you a chain that lasts much longer and is easier to maintain. With a username like cheapnewb24 I'm guessing that you'd rather have a less expensive chain that takes maintenance though. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Serowbot on 08/05/16 at 14:21:35 7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
Downside is more weight, and more resistance... Especially if it's an o-ring chain. I'd use a 520 non-o-ring... just have to replace more often (maybe 8 or 10k)... Das' why I likes da' belt... ;) |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/05/16 at 14:53:58 If I can keep it oiled, and it lasts a long time, then plain roller should work fine. :-/ I guess it's whatever works well for a long time and is dirt cheap. For 520, I have to find the sprockets first. The chain is cheap... not sure how easily I can find the sprockets. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/16 at 14:56:37 Yeah, IIRC, belt is the most efficient. Lower weight is like less flywheel mass, quicker,, and if a chain delivers 10,000 miles, that is enough. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/05/16 at 15:01:30 Is this a good brand? http://www.ebay.com/itm/WPS-Standard-Motorcycle-Drive-Chain-420-428-520-530-Choose-Size-Length-/191872609942?var=&hash=item2cac7fae96:m:mvT1pxWWmvbmuNLatYKzt6A&vxp=mtr |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/05/16 at 15:06:05 3F2026213C3B0A3A0A32202C67550 wrote:
Belt might be okay... If it didn't squeak all the time, make ratio changes inconvenient and then get chewed up by rocks and dirt. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/05/16 at 15:08:24 Dad keeps talking about the local dealer favoring wax over oil. Does that only work with sealed o-ring/x-ring chains or does it work with rollers too? I wouldn't think so. I wonder if that's a good way to recycle waste oil-- you know, used oil, gas, diesel, whatever mix. Just brush it all over the chain all the time. Or will I just wear out my chain? ;D |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/16 at 15:44:04 Gonna use oil that had lost its ability to protect moving parts and was dirty to protect moving parts? Chain lubes are an art and science, not meant to be cheap, but to be cost effective. Chain is an expendable item, but it's costly enough to Want to extend its life. Figuring out just How Much YOUR chain should be protected is something that you will have to do. Cost of the chain,miles you can expect from it with Cheap oil, miles you can expect with a Good lube, hassle of replacement, what chain wear does to sprockets,etc. Etc. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by pg on 08/05/16 at 16:04:18 48434E4A5B454E5C49191F2B0 wrote:
Yes, chain wax protects better and doesn't sling oil every which way. Take your old oil to the auto parts store to be disposed of properly. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Kris01 on 08/05/16 at 18:19:06 I'll 2nd (3rd?) that. Recycle used oil, don't reuse it. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by HovisPresley on 08/05/16 at 18:34:37 Skinny low-budget chain, old used oil, mis-matched sprockets, dirt-track 'grinding paste' sticking to it... The least that can happen is that you have to adjust the chain a lot. The worst that can happen is losing your left leg below the knee. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/05/16 at 19:09:56 I guess it's kinda like this: What's the point of using expensive lube when it's constantly getting dirty anyway? :-? Some people use as little as WD-40, and that's not really made to be a lubricant. Does chainsaw oil work? Different kind of chain. I don't think saw chains have rollers, do they? We use Rotella as opposed to expensive, overrated motorcycle engine oils. Why shouldn't I be cynical and mistrusting of the rest of the motorcycle-specific product mindset? How would wax possibly work in a roller chain? Maybe it would roll free. Maybe it would stick the rollers up. :-? I don't know. Is that wax just meant for sealed chains? Just all seems a little questionable. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/05/16 at 19:19:27 One passage here says kerosene wash followed by heavy-weight motor oil. http://nosynation.com/best-motorcycle-chain-lube/ |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/16 at 19:34:20 Sounds like you're on the right track, again.. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by pg on 08/05/16 at 19:45:47 Chain wax is cheap, you can get napa label if you'd like. It is a bit thicker and it sticks to a surface a little bit better. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/16 at 19:56:19 I don't make the rules, I just know what they are, so I can break them when I think I can get away with it.. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/05/16 at 19:56:48 2F3036312C2B1A2A1A22303C77450 wrote:
I reckon so.... |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by pg on 08/05/16 at 20:08:17 253A3C3B2621102010283A367D4F0 wrote:
When someone asks me what have I been up to, my standard response is -- "as much as I can get away with." ;) Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/05/16 at 20:28:33 Seems like the smaller sprockets are commonly cheaper (not always). They use less chain too, but then I won't have as much room around the swingarm if I use small sprockets, and small sprockets would seem to increase chain wear. :-/ I was thinking of a tooth count in the upper 40s for the rear like a 47 (preferaby prime numbers) and 16-18 in the front. There's been rumors that 18 wouldn't work, but it seems that there have been some to have done it-- at least one or more. Is worrying about prime tooth numbers worth a few more dollars (45 vs 43 or 46, 48, 49, 50 vs 47) ? Higher tooth count? Would I be better off with the commonly used 43 tooth rear setup? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Ruttly on 08/05/16 at 21:59:48 Use a 530 chain, soak it in 90wt oil the. Hang chain over a bucket till it stops dripping wipe clean & install ,no used oil , did you buy sprockets yet? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by gizzo on 08/06/16 at 00:26:06 4A414C4859474C5E4B1B1D290 wrote:
If you can't find the sprocket you want in 520, but can find a 530, you can have the sprockets machined down to fit the 520 chain. I'd recommend a DID chain but only because it's what I use and I find them excellent. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 05:09:35 123534342C39400 wrote:
Nope, Not yet. I've read about doing the same thing with hot wax. Is it easy to remove a chain and kerosene wash/ gear oil soak after installing it as maintenance? In other words, Do these cheap chains come with and easily removable master? Gear oil seems less convenient than motor oil. What would I do with the leftover soak oil as it's contaminated? Keep it to pour over the chain later? Will 75w-90 work, as that's what I would have on hand? Gear oil is better than motor oil for extreme pressure. That's good. Does a roller chain benefit? What if I put motor oil on after the gear oil. Those two are incompatible, right? Yeah, I know. I'm getting ridiculous overthinking this. ::) |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/16 at 07:17:12 Do you know how to install the master link properly? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by gizzo on 08/06/16 at 07:19:57 If you must use a standard chain, have a look at a gadget called a Scottoiler. Users swear by them but they're not cheap as such. Then you can use up your old engine oil. And get used to chain cleaning. Life is so much easier with a sealed chain though. FWIW I'm one of those who uses a wd40 type product on my sealed chain. Actually a locally made product called Inox. I haven't needed to adjust my chain in 20,000km. I did replace the cheap oem Indian made chain at 10,000km due to master link failure that was caused by dry assembly at the factory but neither it nor the DID replacement needed adjustments so far. Touch wood. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by SavageMan99 on 08/06/16 at 08:20:40 Chainsaw bar oil is a high tack, mix atf w acetone and put it in it to soak and penetrate might help. Acetone evaperates and atf stays. I used to soak my chain after a good cleaning. I'm going to give the belt a good try tho, I like low keep and longevity. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Ruttly on 08/06/16 at 09:11:42 Newbee,any gear oil is fine , the soaking is a treatment for new or just washed chains , after that I use a spray on chain lube. I have a Ryca rear sprocket, steel-530-52 tooth , installed it but never ran a chain on it so its new and have no plans of using it. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Serowbot on 08/06/16 at 09:30:56 O-ring chains are supposed to have the lube oil permanently sealed behind the o-rings... External oiling is for cleaning purposes. and don't use any abrasive scubbers that can damage the o-rings... ..or, penetrants that can get past the o-rings... I don't like them much,.. as I had an o-ring chain lock up on me... Grated,... it was a DP bike... (they don't like dirt). Also,.. many chain waxes lubes are tacky,.. in order to not get flung off... This ain't so good for dirt either... If you ride 99% street, and don't live in a dusty area,.. I suppose they are okay... Not here... :-? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 10:24:18 My Dad dropped his Shadow in the mud yesterday evening. Still can't get the thing to run right. I rode it down the mountain for a test run. We both took turns pushing it down the road to the neighbor's house as we couldn't get it to run well enough to get it back up the mountain. That Savage engine regularly gets caked with mud. So, yeah, no stupid expensive sealed chain for me. ;) :) |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 10:37:59 0032253234361E323D6A6A530 wrote:
ATF and acetone... That might have crossed my mind before. I guess I was concerned about the acetone not evaporating or causing a problem. I don't know. :-/ I could mix in some zddp for some extreme pressure protection. Might help with safety. Hey, that's what used oil is good for. Dad poured in quite a bit of that stuff into my car mixed with T6 synthetic. That would be some high quality used oil there. ;) Gotta wait till oil change time. So many choices... [smiley=undecided.gif] |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 10:42:16 3B2D3A273F2A273C480 wrote:
Did that unruly chain cause you to wreck? :-? Hmmm... I reckon beeswax is better for wet places compared to paraffin, right? Now, I just need to get those darned bees to make me some wax-- chop--chop! :D |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 10:46:57 0B141215080F3E0E3E06141853610 wrote:
I used a bicycle chain breaker once.... :-? Uhh... Well... No, I don't really know. I'm guessing I need to buy a big chain breaker to handle mc chains? These common master links... Are they easy to remove? Is the chain breaker just for shortening or lengthening chains or does the master link require pressing as well? What could I do wrong? Fill me in. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 10:48:33 I think Dad just answered part of my question. He said he had a chain breaker big enough to do it, and he said the master links don't need pressing. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 11:00:08 Now here's a crazy new idea: Take some of that really concentrated zddp additive and brush it onto the chain and sprockets. Wonder if it would harm the chain or help it. Do ya think the chain would benefit from the extreme pressure lubrication? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1ej38hcg6Y [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1ej38hcg6Y[/media] The chain/sprocket system could really use this idea of a microscopic sacrificial boundary layer or whatever it is that keeps the chain slick and protected under extreme pressure even when it's nearly dry of oil. Now just mix in some moly with that, and you've got greased lightnin' ;) |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 11:10:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ6NXXLZA3A [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ6NXXLZA3A[/media] Yay! I'm learning how ZDDP works! :D Now I wonder about using ATF with all it's detergent. :-? I wonder if ZDDP will work properly under low temperatures (chain operating temps). :-? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/16 at 11:37:21 MC chains are not a loop.A master link needs to be installed so the backbone of the clip is travelling forward. No chain breaker needed. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 13:06:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1YJ8Hf-RIk [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1YJ8Hf-RIk[/media] Okay, Wasn't sure which way was the "backbone." Got it now. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 13:11:31 This guy says master links are pressed. A different type? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmQBH0HkiM8 Okay...this is for o-ring chain specifically? :-? Boy, those sealed chains are troublesome, aren't they. ::) |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 13:18:16 Anybody break chains without a breaker? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUVhTaGZDf0 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUVhTaGZDf0[/media] What's your method? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/16 at 13:36:06 oy, those sealed chains are troublesome Yeah, the Chains are troublesome.. I will make it a point to avoid posts in the future. I'm sure you don't need my help. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by gizzo on 08/06/16 at 13:59:26 Master link is simply a split chain link you use to join the chain. It can be the clip type or the proper man's riveted version. I avoid the clip type ones. Never seen one come apart but you never know. Plus, my sealed chains don't need removing, so I rivet them. Y'know, if you're being really cheap, you can use industrial chain instead of motorbike chain. 53 pitch machine chain is same as 530 m/c chain but very cheap and lower quality. Should be right up your alley. A few of my mates use it on their off-road bikes in the sand. They'll use the machine chain and throw it out at the end of the trip. Beeswax. LOL |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by gizzo on 08/06/16 at 14:01:46 5E55585C4D53584A5F0F093D0 wrote:
Yes but I can't be bothered explaining it. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by gizzo on 08/06/16 at 14:06:11 29222F2B3A242F3D28787E4A0 wrote:
No, they're not. Must have been hundreds of millions of them made and only you have a problem with it. Go figure. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 14:54:25 Looked up that Scottoiler. $139 is a substantial amount of money. There are some homebrew designs out there. Here's one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb01cxFS1bw [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb01cxFS1bw[/media] |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 14:57:14 736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:
:-? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 15:29:06 The point was the trouble of pressing the master link. They are "troublesome" in a way. O-ring chains are higher friction. They don't like to be pressure washed. They don't like solvents that hurt rubber. They don't like penetrating oil. They are supposedly "ruined" if one oring is breached. Don't like this--Don't like that. picky, picky, picky. They supposedly last longer, but there's a tradeoff. High tech = picky. Then there's the expense. Perhaps, a better description is that they're picky. Serowbot didn't seem to like them. However, sealed chains are actually marketed toward dirty conditions, so.... :-? Roller chains seem simpler. clean and oil, rinse and repeat. There's probably a bit more to it, but you get the picture. If it gets dirt in there, take it off and wash it in kerosene, oil again, rinse and repeat. How dumber can you get... in a good way? Maybe I was going along with Serowbot too. He acted like they were trouble, and add the other stuff, so.... I like something that is no worries. Why do you think I have a beat up Savage? Well...part of the reason, anyway. Any opinions on ZDDP? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 16:09:30 7A6C7B667E6B667D090 wrote:
Doesn't that sound troublesome? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 16:10:07 Does this sound troublesome? 2D3B2C31293C312A5E0 wrote:
Downside is more weight, and more resistance... Especially if it's an o-ring chain. I'd use a 520 non-o-ring... just have to replace more often (maybe 8 or 10k)... Das' why I likes da' belt... ;)[/quote] Or this? 7A6C7B667E6B667D090 wrote:
But then, I gather that sealed chains are actually marketed toward dirty conditions, so.... :-? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Ruttly on 08/06/16 at 18:59:03 Newbee , Only you would consider wasting ZDDP on a chain. You might want donate your body to science so they can slice up your brain so they can see what makes you tick ! |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by gizzo on 08/06/16 at 19:21:57 5C575A5E4F515A485D0D0B3F0 wrote:
You keep missing the point. With a sealed chain, you still wash it with kerosene, lubricate, rinse and repeat. The difference is you only need to clean the outside of the chain. The inside stays clean and lubricated so no need to go to town with the remove, soak blah blah. Kerosene won't hurt the orings or dissolve the lubricant away. As for pressure washing, only an idiot would do that to a sealed OR standard chain (no offense to all the idiots out there, you're great). Cleaning a sealed chain is easy. You just grab a $2 chain brush from ebay, a tin of kero and have at it. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/06/16 at 21:03:46 527574746C79000 wrote:
LOL ;D |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by old_rider on 08/06/16 at 21:09:13 Funny thing.... my ninja 300 has an O-ring chain..... I've cleaned it every two months for 3 years now, with WD40 and a toothpick style wire brush. It's got 10,000 miles plus on it... no wear on the sprocket or chain. I've tightened it regularly every six months, and maybe a couple times after long trips. I think it would be better if we would suggest one thing here..... IF IT AIN'T BROKE THEN DON'T FIX IT! Your style of maintenance has me thinking you follow this method..... If it ain't broke, fix it til it is!....... I'm thinking if i see your name on a post from now on... i'm just going to not read it :) |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Art Webb on 08/07/16 at 06:41:54 Mt Rebel and My Ninja 500s had sealed chains I wiped the things with a rag soaked in kerosene or WD40, then wiped it down with motor oil |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/07/16 at 07:28:13 And got what service life? How did you ride? Hard acceleration is tough on them, and much tougher if they are dirty, right? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 09:20:30 O ring chains are alright I guess. It would be great if they were cheaper, though. I found some cheap no-namer chains. Do you think they'll hold up? Here's a bikemaster chain-- even cheaper than EK Do ya think it'll hold up? Bikemaster seems to be the cheapest brand that's halfway decent with anything. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BikeMaster-530x120-Links-Standard-Series-non-Oring-Natural-Chain-530-X-120-/331883696385?hash=item4d45cf5101:g:3aAAAMXQlgtTAkNa&vxp=mtr JT makes 520 sprockets to fit. I'm pretty sure. Price seems alright, though I haven't found quite as good deals on the front sprockets in particular. Depending on the ratio, it will probably be a tight race. JTF512 and JTR1825 for 520. JTF513 and JTR816 for 530. Only problem is that JT doesn't make the JTF 512 (520) in 18 tooth. I had the 16, 17, and 18 in mind. How many guys think 520 is a better shot for my use than 530? Vice versa? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 09:34:07 I tend to gravitate toward prime tooth numbers (preferrably 47) Is it worth paying 5-10 dollars extra for that number?) Will it really make that much difference in the life of the sprocket? Do prime numbers matter much for the front sprocket? The chain itself? I gather that the rear lasts longer than the front. Although many replace them as a set, the rear sometimes lives long enough to be reused it seems. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Serowbot on 08/07/16 at 09:38:47 Huh????... :-? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 09:41:11 http://www.bikebandit.com/aftermarket-parts/motorcycle-wheels-and-final-drive/chains-universal/tsubaki-530-omega-o-ring-motorcycle-chain Interesting deal. I'd have to piece together two of them, though. :-/ Not sure that's a smart idea. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Kris01 on 08/07/16 at 09:41:29 Prime numbers of teeth on the sprockets tend to not wear a pattern as much. Every tooth of the sprocket contacts every link of the chain eventually. You get much more even wear. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 09:49:48 Another Bikemaster 530 chain lists the strength. It's a bit weaker than the EK chain and rated at 250cc. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BikeMaster-530-X-120-530-Standard-Chain-120-Links-Natural-/121940749937?hash=item1c643c2e71:g:BBUAAOSwZtJW~FGf&vxp=mtr |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 09:54:36 Ahh... Now here's one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/530HX120-Bikemaster-530H-X-120-Chain-/272218459851?hash=item3f617c0ecb:g:0QgAAOSwlfxXF6RI&vxp=mtr Heavy duty... stronger than the EK, I think. And around 5 bucks cheaper too. http://www.bikemaster.com/530h-heavy-duty-precision-roller-chain.html Here's a good deal on oring chain. Just have to buy a master to go with it. By that time it'll be fairly close to 50 bucks. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bikemaster-ATV-530-BM0R-Series-9-700lbs-Tensile-Strength-120-Link-Chain-/191775848742?hash=item2ca6bb3926:g:x40AAOSwoydWjEL5&vxp=mtr |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 10:07:53 Here's a cheap RK chain http://www.ebay.com/itm/RK-Chains-530x120-Links-M-Standard-Series-non-Oring-Natural-Chain-/321792360460?hash=item4aec51c00c:g:9ZgAAOSwh-1W5TOM&vxp=mtr Rated lower tensile strength than the heavy duty chinese bikemaster. But it's "Japanese" steel. :-? Wear resistance maybe? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 10:12:03 This looks like a great deal for a 520H bikemaster chain, but I doubt it has a master link. no box it seems http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=bikemaster+520h+120&_sop=15 Bikemaster advertises their 520H to be even stronger than their 530H. :-? http://www.bikemaster.com/chain/520h-heavy-duty-precision-roller-chain.html http://www.bikemaster.com/530h-heavy-duty-precision-roller-chain.html |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 10:21:52 There it is... The EK that was cheaper (among EK's). I thought there was at least one there yesterday. http://www.ebay.com/itm/EK-Chain-530-120-530-Standard-Series-Chain-120-Links-Natural-/111843151054?hash=item1a0a5f0cce:g:7IcAAOSwxN5WZGSv&vxp=mtr |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 10:43:02 Here's a really cheap sprocket, But it's not a prime number and won't wear as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/JT-Sprockets-Steel-Rear-Sprocket-48T-520-Suzuki-GN400-VL250-GSX-R250-GSXR1100-/281853660165?hash=item419fc98c05:g:H6IAAOSwQoFWQn31&vxp=mtr http://www.ebay.com/itm/JT-Sprockets-520-Steel-Rear-Sprocket-47T-Black-JTR1825-47-/321792357359?hash=item4aec51b3ef:g:OpUAAOSwCQNWegfq&vxp=mtr $24.99 vs $32.70 I wonder if that wear patter is worth the extra dollars. But then, if I get 530, it will be different anyway. 47t sprockets tend to run a little higher anyway. :-/ Black sprocket ought to look good with silver. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 10:49:17 This one seems interesting. http://www.ebay.com/itm/JT-SPROCKET-JTR-816-46-FITS-MANY-SUZUKI-MOTORCYCLES-OPEN-PACKAGE-/130919003024?hash=item1e7b617390:m:m50yBl0XjXCrK0swwcBP0YA&vxp=mtr |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 10:57:55 Well, it looks like.... from a quick look at this, it's not about the sprocket tooth count as much as it is the combination of tooth count AND link count, which I probably won't know till I get it mounted. So... Maybe the tooth count obsession is meaningless? It turns out... Nope... it's not meaningless. The prime numbers, like 17/47 will give an optimal wear pattern, but it seems as though the other side of the story is not completely known. The nonprime sizes depend upon the number of links and will always be less than the optimum provided by a prime tooth count. Wear - The Theory (http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/SprocketsOtherSizesFAQ.htm#Chain) For a non-prime count, 46 does rather well under all conditions. There are some other interesting things. Take a look. Getting the right combination, though. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 11:55:15 Any thoughts on all this? Alot to read, ain't it? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 13:22:51 http://www.ebay.com/itm/BikeMaster-520BMOR-114-520-BMOR-Series-Chain-114-Natural-/111953102894?hash=item1a10ecc82e:g:GGMAAOSwGYVW~FGH&vxp=mtr Looks good for an oring chain. Less than$45 114 link should be enough. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BikeMaster-520BMXR-120-GG-520-BMXR-Series-Chain-120-Gold-/111953102872?hash=item1a10ecc818:g:bjwAAOSwzvlW~FGN&vxp=mtr Not too bad, but I can't say 20 bucks more is really worth it here. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 13:24:12 This is one long chain, isn't it? :D |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 19:14:50 Well, any last ideas on this subject before I make a decision? I'd like to get this stuff shipped so I can get my bike back on the road. Basically, I've got the choice between 520 and 530, color, and all the various sizes of sprockets as well as plain or oring chain and chain brand. If I go with oring, it's gonna be bikemaster. Otherwise, I have a few choices. So many choices... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by gizzo on 08/07/16 at 20:43:16 I think everyone has stopped caring what you decide to do. Do what you want, or whatever's cheapest. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Kris01 on 08/07/16 at 20:43:43 373C3135243A3123366660540 wrote:
Have you read the chain conversion thread? It's ALL you need to know! ::) |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/07/16 at 20:49:44 It seems that the stock belt guard doesn't work very well with the chain conversion. Ain't that a bummer.... Just hope I don't get my leg torn off by a broken chain... |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by HovisPresley on 08/07/16 at 22:21:35 474C4145544A4153461610240 wrote:
........................................................ On the plus side, a new pair of socks would last you twice as long ;) |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/07/16 at 23:04:53 If someone told you to Put a sock in it. You could. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by gizzo on 08/08/16 at 03:01:46 I've lost count of the number of limbs I've lost due to overpriced chains failing. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Art Webb on 08/08/16 at 07:14:34 445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:
I'm guessing this was aimed at me I ride as hard as I like, (how's 125 mph through a long sweeper grab you?) my area has more sweepers than hairpins, and i replaced a chain on one of the Ninja about 10K miles after i bought it, used the other two I never had to, as the Rebel gat maybe 7k miles on it in my hands before i traded up, and the Ninja I put only 10k on All those bikes were bought used, so no idea how many miles the chain had on it before I bought the bikes, except Ninja #2, which I bought with just under 3K on the odo from a gal who decided it wasn't for her after riding a while, so the factory chain was at some over 13K when I sold it |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Kris01 on 08/08/16 at 19:16:09 514B4F4D4C72435056504B464547220 wrote:
That almost slipped by me for a second! That's hilarious!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/13/16 at 20:59:52 Here's my chain conversion "kit," and I've got 2 more sprockets on the way. :) Paid less than 70 bucks for the stuff in the picture. About $25 for the rear, $14 for the front, and $30 for the chain. Got a 9 dollar sprocket coming and another 10 dollar one on the way as well. I chose plain roller 530 with 46 rear, 15, 16, and 17 fronts. I figure that I can only get the chain to fit three sprockets at a time without changing the length. No need spending 15 more bucks on an 18t either. I gather the chain was a pretty good deal. It's supposedly good Japanese chain, not the junky Malaysian stuff. This gearing, with my current tire choice should give me gearing close to stock or slightly lower with two stages of taller gearing. There is still the option of going even taller than that with an 18t front if I really want to. I'd just have to add a link I guess. Is that alright... adding back links? I chose the 46 rear partly on price. It was a good compromise between the gearing qualities and wear qualities that I wanted and price. In other words, it was close to what I wanted and cheap. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Ruttly on 08/14/16 at 09:32:34 Newbee , you do know a spacer kit is needed to mount the counter sprocket ! |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Kris01 on 08/14/16 at 10:14:22 I think it's a 1" washer that we need as a spacer. Somebody check me on that. If your local hardware store doesn't carry it, try McMaster Carr or Bolt Depot online. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Kris01 on 08/14/16 at 10:20:52 I checked with JT Sprockets and the correct sprockets for a 1980 Suzuki GS550 w/cast wheels has a 25 mm center. 1 inch is 25.4 mm so a 1" washer (or better yet, a fender washer) should be fine. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/14/16 at 10:32:38 I was already aware that I needed a 1 inch washer from reading other threads. I even measured the sprocket. The sprocket fits on the shaft. I tested it. There's an awful lot of room, though. I'm wondering just how many washers i need to get that thing nice and tight. I'll buy a few and mess around with it until I get it right I guess. I just have to wait till Monday for the supply houses to open. Haven't tested the fit on the rear sprocket yet. It's still on the bike. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Kris01 on 08/14/16 at 10:46:35 Let us know what the thickness of your spacers turns out to be. Got a micrometer? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/14/16 at 11:30:25 calipers... no micrometer. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/14/16 at 13:12:29 I lubed the rear sprocket bolts with used junk oil mix for lube and corrosion resistance. The nuts and bolts had a whitish substance. Corrosion? Do these bolts need locktite? Blue? I noticed that the hub fits the sprocket such that water and stuff can get behind the sprocket. :-? |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/15/16 at 10:07:39 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1471280516/0#0 |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/15/16 at 10:13:14 I found a great way to soak the chain in gear oil. A ziplock bag. :) Minimizes the amount of gear oil needed. I've got it soaking right now. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Ruttly on 08/15/16 at 10:15:47 Newbee , I think my spacers were thicker than a washer , one on inside & one on the outside then lock washer-fold over & locknut with goo! |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/15/16 at 10:26:50 I've got two washers on currently + oem lockwasher. I haven't tightened it down yet because it still freewheels. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/15/16 at 10:31:45 Excellent size washers, aren't they? I specified narrow O.D. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Ruttly on 08/15/16 at 12:02:50 Did you use 520 or 530 ? Remember it has to line up with rear sprocket |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Ruttly on 08/15/16 at 12:07:07 Nice work bench Clem |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Kris01 on 08/15/16 at 16:08:14 4B404D4958464D5F4A1A1C280 wrote:
Why? I guess it will be fine but I'd prefer a larger washer as a spacer to handle the load better. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Ruttly on 08/15/16 at 19:12:18 They were cheaper. LOL |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by cheapnewb24 on 08/15/16 at 23:04:58 ;D ;D ;D Alright, it should be 530 all the way. I bought the smaller washers so they wouldn't get in the way of the chain or something. I guessed from the other chain conversion thread. Thanks, I'm glad you like my luxurious workbench. It is the WorkBlaster 5000 by NoCorp. They really make the best, don't they? ;D |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Kris01 on 08/16/16 at 05:08:36 You guys are too much! ;D |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Dave on 08/16/16 at 07:06:08 353E333726383321346462560 wrote:
Jeeze.....that is going to be one incredibly messy/oil soaked motorcycle when you mount that chain. I guess you have never owned a motorcycle with a chain before.....no matter how much you wipe that chain down or let it "drip" before you mount it - the darn thing is going to throw oil everywhere when you go for a ride. The dedicated spray lubes and waxes go on very wet, creep into the rollers/pins, then it they get tacky/waxy and generally stay on the chain. The gear oil will be coating the rear wheel/tire , and the engine case where the chain makes a sharp turn at the front sprocket. Stock up on some degreaser.....you are going to need it. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by Kris01 on 08/16/16 at 16:53:24 Oil slinging and maintenance. The two worse things about chain. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by gizzo on 08/19/16 at 04:25:18 I've never had a chain that didn't fling lube off it. It's just something to live with. Never tried the wax type lubes though. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by bobert_FSO on 08/19/16 at 06:01:58 I'm using a wax-based lube with an o-ring chain on my Kaw 800. It works well. There is little mess and I don't care about the small power loss of the o-ring chain. However, I still have to pull maintenance apply the lube. My Savage was my belt drive and spoiled me. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by MMRanch on 08/19/16 at 22:29:41 FYI Go to "Tractor Supply" and look at the size 50 chain. Its the same size as a motorcycle 530 . The tractor supply chains come in 10 foot lengths for about $20.oo ;) , and they last a lone time on heavy equipment or motorcycles. They have master links , half links , and sprockets of all sizes . All their sprockets have a two inch hole in them so you need to cut them to fit your application. The size 40 is the same as the bike industry's 428. If you want "HEAVY DUTY" check out the size 60 chains ! ;D I use the spray white grease on my heavy equipment and it stays on good , but have used the spray wax made for chains with good success too . :) I haft to wonder ??? Why would anyone want a chain when the belts are so much more trouble free and cleaner ??? The Kawasaki pulleys will gear the LS650's up as much as needed even too much for stock engines. Some times I'd like to go lower geared a little (parades and such) for ultra slow speeds. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by LANCER on 08/20/16 at 00:38:33 1D0F1D0F02111E1318500 wrote:
Downshift ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by SavageMan99 on 08/20/16 at 14:20:08 I guess it gives length options for modded bikes, plus old school. |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by MMRanch on 08/20/16 at 19:42:39 Downshift No Lancer --- The marching band leads the parades , you never get off the clutch ... :o |
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Title: Re: Chains? Post by HovisPresley on 08/21/16 at 10:00:45 Parading without a permit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YptNR7uq7s |
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