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Title: Trump's words... Post by Serowbot on 08/04/16 at 09:45:30 Unbelievable... ::) https://www.yahoo.com/news/anything-trump-could-party-cut-000000585.html Quote:
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/04/16 at 09:49:37 So? What's the problem? Go get killed fighting for WHAT? Such desperation.. Besides,what difference does it make? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by Serowbot on 08/04/16 at 09:54:25 Spoken like a true defender of the indefensible... So,. our war vets aren't heroes,... they are stupid?... :-/ Trump is human waste... |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/04/16 at 10:04:25 It's not real smart choosing to be cannon fodder. If you don't have to, why go? Or do you actually believe the wars weve been in were actually necessary to protect Ahr Fraydumz? All just propaganda and lies, the beneficiaries the war profiteers and globalists. You like war, Bot? Is everyone who wears the uniform a hero, too? Or just the ones who get maimed or killed? Is that what a hero is, someone who allows himself to be used to make the rich richer and get injured or killed doing it? Such patriotism, so excited about seeing others get their lives put at risk.. AND FOR WHAT? Nam was ADMITTEDLY based on LIES. HUMAN waste? He's smart enough to Not Get wasted. Henry Kissinger's quote of; "Military Men Are Just Dumb, Stupid Animals To Be Used As Pawns In Foreign Policy" is the real deal, and he really said it. It is fairly rare that the architects of illegal, imperial wars of aggression are caught saying what they REALLY feel, but this is one of those times. Recognize That name? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by raydawg on 08/04/16 at 10:11:23 342B2D2A3730013101392B276C5E0 wrote:
Yes, Hillary has informed us he is a liar..... As she was ducking sniper fire ;D Dude, you really are bent in one direction... |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by verslagen1 on 08/04/16 at 10:20:19 Going to the "field guide for defending Hellery"... If others did it, then it's ok for _____ to do as well. http://www.1stcavmedic.com/bill-clinton-draft.htm |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/04/16 at 10:23:45 Did Trump lie? appened to have accompanied her on the trip and didn’t remember being shot at, as Clinton described. The videotape of the actual visit proved Clinton’s memory wrong–not just once but twice. After my first report exposed the truth, Clinton doubled down and dug in, providing a second reason to question her memory of events. Clinton never fully explained how she could have made such a mistake as saying she had ducked sniper fire when there hadn’t been a sniper in sight. Initially, she stated “I was sleep deprived and I misspoke.” But as my report below (“Clinton Doubles Down”) shows, Clinton told varieties of the embellishment over a long period of time, not just when she was sleep deprived. Had Clinton somehow convinced herself that it had all really happened? Or did she knowingly advance a false story? “So I made a mistake,” Clinton also stated at one point. “It proves I’m human, which you know, for some people, is a revelation.” A MISTAKE? She Thought she was ducking bullets? Is ANYONE stupid enough to believe this woman? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by oldNslow on 08/04/16 at 10:25:57 Interesting discussion. I was in the military during the Vietnam war. Servicemen were not real popular with folks of a liberal persuasion back then. Know who the heroes were ? Yup, guys who bolted to Canada to dodge the draft, guys who stayed in college for the duration, guys who managed to get a medical deferment. Fast forward 45 or so years. Guys who served are heros again ( according to our liberal friends) and anyone who got out of it is scum. Amazing ::) |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/04/16 at 10:30:20 Right and wrong, like truth, are hostage to circumstance in the brain of a librul. The memory of what was good and what was bad is gone. It's not helpful to the agenda so screw truth. |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by Serowbot on 08/04/16 at 10:32:00 Like I care... I know lot's of people that served,.. and lot's that got out of it... My dad was in Viet Nam... so were both his brothers. Serve or not,... what you don't do is call Vets stupid... Trump has lost the Vet vote... You don't insult Gold Star families, fallen heroes, or call war vets stupid... or say POW's aren't heroes... Watch his numbers drop... The Fartman is nothing but hot smelly air... PS.. the dumb f*kker eats fried chicken with a fork...what would he do in the jungle?... :P |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/04/16 at 10:48:13 Hillary is a paragon of virtue? She's a neocon with a D , period. All war, all the time. I guess the left don't remember that video about how they are just pretending that they don't intend to take the second amendment.. She doesn't even appreciate the SS who protect HER LIFE... Kissinger's quote of; "Military Men Are Just Dumb, Stupid Animals To Be Used As Pawns In Foreign Policy" is the real deal, and he really said it. It is fairly rare that the architects of illegal, imperial wars of aggression are caught saying what they REALLY feel, but this is one of those times. But,you can Bet that his feelings are limited to only bubs. Get all incensed over what trump said. Look at how Wonderfully Bammy gets the VA to take care of those vets you so prize. How Smart is it really to be a participant in a war that, even Winning does nothing For your country? Let's debate That. |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by Serowbot on 08/04/16 at 11:16:26 You do know, Kissinger was a Republican?... Right?... :-/ You can throw his words in your own face... ::) Hillary has never called servicemen stupid,.. or insulted the fallen. No presidential candidate ever has. The Fartman stands alone... ::) |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by thumperclone on 08/04/16 at 11:33:18 "all gave some, some gave all" then there are those that give nothing and beoch(fart) about everything |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/04/16 at 12:04:14 How Smart is it really to be a participant in a war that, even Winning does nothing For your country? Let's debate That. Name a recent war that we won or that by being in made America safer, or more free or better off. How Smart is it, again? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by Serowbot on 08/04/16 at 12:13:09 You should tear up your copy of the Constitution,.. you don't deserve it. You want to vote for Trump?... Well, you won't get too... The coward is going to quit before he loses... the writing is on the wall... He's setting up to blame voter fraud, or some other corruption, so he can weasel out, instead of losing. The Fartman can't lose... ...only cut and run, leaving others in the lurch... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by raydawg on 08/04/16 at 12:19:48 Oh golly gee, your pa and uncles are vets AND speak for every one who ever served, check! Seems I remember a Clinton who loathed the military, but hey, could be I ate chicken with a fork once, like that is good reasoning.... Reality scare you much? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by LostArtist on 08/04/16 at 12:30:22 687771766B6C5D6D5D65777B30020 wrote:
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by Serowbot on 08/04/16 at 12:30:44 By Richard Parker, Dallas Morning News... Quote:
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by HovisPresley on 08/04/16 at 12:33:38 67746C71746272150 wrote:
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by raydawg on 08/04/16 at 12:59:51 51766F706A496B7C6A757C60190 wrote:
[/quote] Wow, one person can sure make others unhinged.... Let's try this Limey.... I never said in my observation ALL Hispanics are voting for him. If you have one ounce of integrity you will admit my jab was at the reporting of how ALL Hispanic loath Trump the fartman or whatever bit needs to call him. Did you happen to copy and paste what bot said about it won't make any difference who is elected, that if you checked out of reading news, etc, you prolly couldn't tell, etc, and we should all just chill.... Eh, mister poppins? I didn't think so.... One more reason I won't vote for him, not that I am voting for his female version either..... As it brings out the deranged syndrome folk, like a match in dry tender, and he isn't even elected, WTF..... Dismissed ;D Edit: oh, believing in that hippie doesn't scare me, heck no, just the opposite. I can keep my buzz, but of course that makes no sense to those who don't know it.... 3 balls for a buck, you got 2 left, wanna take another shot ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by HovisPresley on 08/04/16 at 13:12:41 Quote Hovis "In as much as ....." Where is the definite statement? It was a comparison of generalities. What's the copy/pasting of Bot's words about? :-? Call me 'Poppins', then I call you 'Pocahontas'. Please stop the infantile name calling, Ray, you are due to retire soon, I believe ;) |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by raydawg on 08/04/16 at 13:20:26 41667F607A597B6C7A656C70090 wrote:
We still have free speech over hear, you don't like it you can put your fingers in your ears..... And wear big boy panties too, you only posted as you did was because you wanted to defend bot, and you failed, like in two wrongs don't make it right, but you do retreat well ;D One ball left.... |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by raydawg on 08/04/16 at 13:29:52 Oh, I missed your question Re: Clinton I see it as him avoiding the draft and his "spot" being filled by someone less fortunate who could not get out. Sure, he had lots of company of wealthy folks who could dodge. How many of those that had to answer their draft were killed? I don't know, but blood is blood, and dead is dead.... To get in a pizzing match over who was worse, to me seems folly and disingenuous, and a grave disservice to those who did give all. Opportunist is all any of them are, I don't fret, defend, now support any of them.... |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by HovisPresley on 08/04/16 at 14:15:29 "We still have free speech over hear, you don't like it you can put your fingers in your ears....." .................................................... Ahem, this is an internet forum.... not the USA.... You have whined enough about having your posts deleted in the past, I believe. I was pointing out hypocrisy, not defending Bot, he is the last person that needs defending. You are wrong in this, but as a Christian, I'm sure you'll appreciate my forgiving you. (The crowd goes wild as the last remaining ball topples the big man!) Edit: What's with the copy/pasting of Bot's words that you refer to? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by pg on 08/04/16 at 14:16:36 5345524F57424F54200 wrote:
Barry is already ahead of the curve with the NDAA, indefinite detention, and suspension of habeas corpus. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by raydawg on 08/04/16 at 15:30:30 75524B544E6D4F584E5158443D0 wrote:
Find the post and read it, if your like hypocrite And so was I..... Yet, you called me out :o That is telling, do you stalk me ;D Funny, trump responds after being called out, and you guys sheet. I agree he was an idiot to reply, but hey pal, you tipped my domino over.... If you don't like where it falls, that's your problem, or mind your own business, real simple. You is outta balls pal :o |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by Serowbot on 08/04/16 at 16:02:55 The point here is, every single day, Fartman makes himself more despicable and indefensible... So much so, that I'm actually feeling sorry for those stuck in the cycle of defending him... He's a caricature of a bad candidate... in look and action... Unreal... Can some one wake me up from this ridiculous dream?... He's going to quit... just watch... :-X |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/04/16 at 16:31:00 I ALMOST hope she wins, so America can see what a horrible creature she is. |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by raydawg on 08/04/16 at 16:53:50 6274637E66737E65110 wrote:
Speaking for myself, I ain't defending him..... What I am doing is calling you out. The guy is a nut case, and I am being kind. Hillary is a liar, proven, psychotic, and the best of the worse that this system has to offer, and you seem to think its ok for her to be a female version of Trump.... And you feeling sorry for him, ha, I don't believe you, your glee is blinding to all but yourself. OK Hovis, I'll sell you 3 more balls, better luck this time ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by HovisPresley on 08/04/16 at 16:57:11 "OK Hovis, I'll sell you 3 more balls, better luck this time " You deal in balls, or are you just the handler? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by raydawg on 08/04/16 at 17:31:35 7F58415E44674552445B524E370 wrote:
Careful..... I can feel a squeeze across the pond even ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by Serowbot on 08/04/16 at 22:18:10 35263E23263020470 wrote:
And you feeling sorry for him, ha, I don't believe you, your glee is blinding to all but yourself.[/quote] Do you really misread my words,.. or just try to twist them to your liking?... I don't feel sorry for the Fartman at all... I feel sorry for those people that have put their faith in him... It's a hard thing to let go of... faith... ...but, there is a point, and that point is past,... when that faith makes you a fool... ...and I know,... Hillary has 30 years of scandal... some may be real, some may be manufactured... That comes with being in the public eye... and a political football... Trump,.. oops, Fartman,... has surpassed her in a matter of months... He degrades daily... ... and he's going to quit... (I'm gonna' keep saying that, 'till it sinks in)... His actual mental stability is in question... by both sides... There are security concerns about his receiving presidential briefings,.. from both sides.. This is unprecedented... We have a mentally unstable person one vote from the Presidency... Hillary may be seen as bad, corrupt, .. whatever... ... but she is well known as a shrewd political mind, and mentally stable... Fartinator is a rogue,.. in the way only the insane can be... He will quit... Will Pence take the helm, and choose a new VP?... second place Cruz?... or will they supplant the Fartster with a shill?... a re-Romney?,.. or Ryan?... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by raydawg on 08/05/16 at 03:59:36 3721362B33262B30440 wrote:
And you feeling sorry for him, ha, I don't believe you, your glee is blinding to all but yourself.[/quote] Do you really misread my words,.. or just try to twist them to your liking?... I don't feel sorry for the Fartman at all... I feel sorry for those people that have put their faith in him... It's a hard thing to let go of... faith... ...but, there is a point, and that point is past,... when that faith makes you a fool... ...and I know,... Hillary has 30 years of scandal... some may be real, some may be manufactured... That comes with being in the public eye... and a political football... Trump,.. oops, Fartman,... has surpassed her in a matter of months... He degrades daily... ... and he's going to quit... (I'm gonna' keep saying that, 'till it sinks in)... His actual mental stability is in question... by both sides... There are security concerns about his receiving presidential briefings,.. from both sides.. This is unprecedented... We have a mentally unstable person one vote from the Presidency... Hillary may be seen as bad, corrupt, .. whatever... ... but she is well known as a shrewd political mind, and mentally stable... Fartinator is a rogue,.. in the way only the insane can be... He will quit... Will Pence take the helm, and choose a new VP?... second place Cruz?... or will they supplant the Fartster with a shill?... a re-Romney?,.. or Ryan?... :-/ [/quote] Yes, you are right, I DID read that as you were sorry for him, my bad.... But then you should see where our thinking is when it comes to folks who appear to only choose a candidate predicated on which letter they have after their name, ignoring the very same charge and arguments they make against the other. I too am baffled at Trump supporters, even those I visited with in SoCal, my kids, etc. Sure, I get the HOPE, CHANGE, DREAMS, part, and I get the SICK & TIRED part, I think Robert Reich nailed it in that article I posted, that my friends on the right discount because of his associations, however, that changes nothing. There is a major underlining movement to tumble the status quo, the elitist, aristocracy, we have presently. I think the stickler in this is that it is coming at a time that our general populations is changing ethnicity too. The left have made many arguments about race and labeling, etc, yet that is exactly how they try and manage this new element in order to capitalize on it..... And it is seems folks don't trust them, rightly so, if you use the Black race as any indicator of how the left delivers.... I think the "harsh" talk is what people find appealing, not the PC stuff. Sometimes you must use the truth ( not that Trump has any frickin idea what that is ) to get results and HOPEFULLY CHANGE.... Like calling a fat person FAT, instead of physically caloric challenged, enabling never works..... Once we get REAL, maybe, perhaps, we can fix some stuff, like education, economics, justice, etc... This is a time where Kennedy's speak about what we can do for our country, NOT, what it can do for us..... Forgetting what the other prays to, or not, eats, drives, marries, gender, skin color, etc.... Those are all side shows outside the BIG tent, where the really good stuff is on display ;D Maybe, just maybe, the NEW influences of others from around the globe, and here at home, might help in finding a way back to being civilized, about caring, and appreciation, and supporting, one another, its possible, for currently this energy will destroy us, of that I'm certain.... OK, let her rip, lets keep blaming and assigning fault, you guys can keep your misery, I'm opting out :-* PS: let me add this one personal observation from my own experience how OTHERS we might see as outsiders, or threats, can actually teach us something, if we dare open our eyes and mind. I work for a major aircraft corporation, it hires a extremely diverse workforce, after 50 years of living/working, this was a new environment for me. I have befriended so many other ethnic folks, than myself, from around the world, it has been an amazing learning, I would have never got, understood, otherwise. I will talk about my Muslim friends. They are outgoing and very friendly, and DON'T try and persuade me, or rip my beliefs, heck no, we share and find commonalities.... Now here is the fun part, they are afforded the opportunity at work to stop and pray, according to their faith. Will this freedom OF religion allowed them inadvertently allow Christians to do the same, OR, will it reveal the hypocrisy of some here in our nation? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by WebsterMark on 08/05/16 at 05:39:49 I still have no strong objections to any of Trump's main policy points. Restrict immigration. Slow down these international trade deals that are presented with the theory that the rising tide will lift the USA too when in reality, all they've done is lowered us closer to the gutter they exist in. An overall theme of looking after our interests first, everyone else second. The world is a far, far better and peaceful place with a thriving and prosperous United States of America. Hilary's main points are awful: continue and even expand the current immigration policies that are in place now. Don't be fooled by any claim that the government will more closely vet potential immigrants more than they do now, we all know that ain't gonna happen. Just look at the joke the TSA has become. Continue Obamacare which is failing miserably. None of the goals of insuring the 12 million uninsured were met nor was the idea of driving down the cost for all insurance. Everyone knew this failure was going to happen, it was just a matter of time. $15 minimum wage, the biggest in a long line of dumb ideas. Again, everyone knows the outcome of this will be a disaster but that wont stop the liberal media and Democratics from touting this like the greatest thing since sliced bread. Liberal Democrats like our friend Sew here, are destroying this country. I take that back, they HAVE destroyed this country. I was not a Trump fan in the beginning, but I saw him as a chance to at least slow the tide down. I don't think that's going to happen now. It's a long shot he pulls this off. The entire media machine has lined up to kill him off like they've done against no other. He was far from the perfect guy to do it, but I'm not sure that person exist..... The machine is too powerful, too entrenched. The media and entertainment culture gives them to much protection. Trump has probably failed which means we all fall. Go ahead and laugh liberals, but we soon will be just another France, just another England, living in the shadow of some other superpower who will not be as endowed with the moral superiority the US once possessed. We'll be one of those countries begging for someone's help when disaster hits but who will be there to help us? No one. |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by raydawg on 08/05/16 at 06:41:42 C'mon Webby, trump is trumps worst enemy.... No one makes him udder such nonsense but himself. We can talk policies, yes, we can talk failures, yes. But it takes someone who is stable to bring about a consensus and hopefully change. The people have weighed in on Obama, he has made history in the wrong way. Hillary was forced to use him, when in reality her campaign against him as a candidate is prolly a lot more accurate to what she thinks of him. But she can't break that unfavorable ceiling and will have to muster as many votes as she can, by whoever she can, to carry it off. And it appears she worked a deal with trump already ;D Go 3rd party, if all disenfranchised voters united under a third ticket, history would be made and it will also squash the grip and hold of the media and two party system they all capitalize upon! |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by Serowbot on 08/05/16 at 07:35:26 I wouldn't worry about us becoming just another France or England,... we are, and always have been... Our Constitution and government structure is based on theirs... The founding fathers were all British subjects... (America was a British colony after all)... They built upon what they knew, and what worked... minus a monarch... ;D We are more in common than different... that's why we are allies... France has nicer bread... :-? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by WebsterMark on 08/05/16 at 09:34:14 You're either incredibly stupid, or coasting into weekend mode and don't want to think too hard! I'm pretty sure its the latter which is fine cause that's where I am now. I'm not going into all the critical ways we no longer bear the slightest resemblance to our former sovereign. Instead, I've got a few more work things to do them I'm heading to store to pick out meat for a weekend BBQ. Till next week. (assuming Hopey-change doesn't destroy us by then....) |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/16 at 10:26:30 2335223F27323F24500 wrote:
Well, except that our government was designed to make the People the sovereign and the government the servant, the People have the rights, up to even including abolishing the government and starting over. Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. This is the philosophy of the founders. How much that is similar to other nations is immaterial. |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by HovisPresley on 08/05/16 at 12:55:38 Interestingly, your 'right to bear arms' was previously an English thing, your Bill of Rights was based on ours.... (I had to explain to JoG recently about baseball's origins) But as they say in Louisiana, Missouri and elsewhere in the USA: "Viva la difference" PS. The Italians make the best bread 8-) |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/16 at 13:09:12 I'm really not concerned with similarities or differences between our constitution and the laws of other places. I only care that Our Constitution, Laws, Principles of the Origin OF the constitution and laws are honored. That's not what I am Seeing. |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by Serowbot on 08/05/16 at 14:26:12 4E5157504D4A7B4B7B43515D16240 wrote:
....ahhhh,...(cough), bullshit (cough,..cough)... :-/... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/16 at 15:46:07 Your ignorance is showing. No wonder you're so unable to understand what I say. e hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Declaration of independence. |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by Serowbot on 08/05/16 at 15:54:39 Have you ever even been out of Texas?... :-? I've spent 8 or 10 years in Europe... I was born there,.. I have family there. I think I have a little better understanding than you... |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/16 at 15:58:37 Have you ever been here? Who would ever leave? Of course I've been out of Texas, but what would that have to do with understanding the concept of sovereignty belonging to the People and government being the servant, with the understanding that government, like unruly SERVANTS, CAN BE FIRED, HOW, exactly, does having been elsewhere allow you to understand what is written better? Rather than just pretend that you know more, explain what you believe. Have I not typed out enough? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by pg on 08/05/16 at 15:59:46 4E69706F75567463756A637F060 wrote:
I won't argue with you on that one. It doesn't get any better than rustic Italian bread, high quality olive oil, and freshly grated romano cheese. :) Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by Serowbot on 08/05/16 at 16:01:57 You haven't been following the Brexit ordeal, have you?... Either that, or you don't understand it... The people speak,... the politicians are in turmoil... That is democracy in action... it is Europe... |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by Serowbot on 08/05/16 at 16:04:25 America is still king of BBQ though... (gotta' give credit there)... 8-) |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/16 at 16:17:28 27383E3924231222122A38347F4D0 wrote:
Of Course I'm following brexit. What has that to do with the principles of our Republic? Who is the sovereign, what rights and powers are Rightfully the People's and everything else I said? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by HovisPresley on 08/05/16 at 16:20:32 6375627F67727F64100 wrote:
............................................................. Propane....and propane accessories! Hank for president! My next-door neighbour does a mean lamb shish kebab 8-) |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by oldNslow on 08/05/16 at 16:35:55 Quote:
I that your "Prince-of- a- guy muslim neighbour? You might be chowin' down on his ex GF |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by HovisPresley on 08/05/16 at 16:41:47 "Of Course I'm following brexit. What has that to do with the principles of our Republic? Who is the sovereign, what rights and powers are Rightfully the People's and everything else I said? " .................................................... Our politicians are public servants. Our PM wanted to stay in the EU. We voted no. He went. The country is leaving the EU. The principles of your Republic include the bit where it says (paraphrased) "if the government gets too big for it's boots, then the people can chuck them out and use arms to do so, thereby stopping potential tyrany." Similar idea? (except its votes not guns) The idea of the USA's public standing up to those in power/military (they work for the government) or indeed the whole society-structure may be a 'Right', but Wako and Ruby Ridge would suggest that the time is long past to try and exercise that 'right', therefore rendering it useless (but it looks good on paper). ............................................... "You might be chowin' down on his ex GF" I've had many a fantasy about that, you should see her ;) |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by oldNslow on 08/05/16 at 17:44:44 Quote:
Neither Randy Weaver or the Branch Davidians had any interest in overthrowing the US Government. And don't forget that Weaver sued the FBI for the death of his wife and won. You need better examples. |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/16 at 17:59:13 The POINT is, so many Americans seem to believe that the Government is SUPPOSED to be all powerful, Always right, and WE are just supposed to agree. They DON'T see how screaming Obvious it is that they just Do whatever they want and We get the bills And the problems. Point to ONE TIME when we voted the bums out And the new bunch repealed the legislation that Caused us to Vote the bums out. Both sides are playing against US. We've SEEN how able to defeat rag tag bands our military are. Of course, they are not Trying,, winning the game Ends the game. Can't sell weapons without wars,, People need to wake the hell up around here. |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by HovisPresley on 08/05/16 at 18:10:27 No, not standing up to oust the Gov't, you are correct. Has there ever been an example of the public trying anything like this? (since the invention of firearms more powerful than muskets, at least?) Blair mountain WV? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/16 at 18:15:42 Is that supposed to be a reply to me? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by HovisPresley on 08/05/16 at 18:19:06 081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620 wrote:
No, to Old, we were typing at the same time. :) |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/16 at 18:26:22 2C3335322F2819291921333F74460 wrote:
Of Course I'm following brexit. What has that to do with the principles of our Republic? Who is the sovereign, what rights and powers are Rightfully the People's and everything else I said?[/quote] Anyone who Grasps these Concepts should be able to have at least a belligerent attitude towards the war profiteers. The inability of most people to see that No Matter how sweeping the voters drive that bums out, the unpopular legislation is NEVER REPEALED.. Don't much look like real opposition. How many horrible bills do you have to see passed after Much handwringing , passed with Bilateral cooperation? That's what they Do when it's So Bad neither party wants to get blamed. Who can't See that? |
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Title: Re: Trump's words... Post by oldNslow on 08/05/16 at 18:35:47 I think Blair MT. was primarily a labor dispute. Coal Miners vs the mine owners. I don't think it was directed at the Us Government per se, although if I remember correctly the president threatened to, or possibly actually did, use the Army to restore order. The best example of what I think you are talking about is the American Civil War. That one came pretty close to succeeding. It wouldn't have overthrown the US. Just removed about half the country at that time from Us domination. Which was the objective. I think something like that is not entirely out of the question today. "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed." declaration of independence I think we are still at the point of the phrase I put in bold print. But I don't know how much longer that will be the case. |
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