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Title: Riding @ 10..... Post by raydawg on 07/14/16 at 05:08:02 When I took my motorcycle riding class, I remember the instructor talking about ability. He explained it in a manner that assigned a number to it, 10 being the most extreme, or top, of your ability. Now I am certain my 10, or ability is not as high as say, versy's or dave's, 10, but that doesn't matter, my 10 is only in reference to me. He said to improve on that number, we need to push it. Not recklessly, but we need to not be afraid and by challenging our riding skills, we become better riders. I have never felt I pushed a 10, perhaps 8, dragging a peg and staying on the throttle and not leaving my turning arc/path. I mostly ride around 6 I would venture to say.... Anyway, last weekend a guy at work was killed riding. A very nice guy. Had another person, a co-worker who I know as well, a single mom.... He lost it in a turn :-[ I know she lived, but I don't know the extent of her injuries.... It got me to thinking about the 10, again. No other vehicles involved, nor weather, road conditions, just ride out of his ability is my guess. Not fair when you have another seated behind you with no say.... Using the 10, what do you all normally ride, and how often do you push it? Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/16 at 05:20:25 I wonder if he was trying to impress her. I played at the edge of the envelope often. I went off road a coupla times. Gathered it up, went on. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/14/16 at 07:32:08 Yep, I've lost it too. Always got back up and rode away. I'm not too good at dragging pegs. I usually wreck by that time, and I tend to drag boot before peg. Startles me to do that, and I pull the bike back up. This newb ain't too good at tricks. Can't say I've ever pulled a wheelie on my Savage. They don't teach you everything in that class. Listen to Twist of the Wrist. It'll teach you some real stuff. Here's a small piece of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWuTcJcqAng You can often watch it full on YT by people who upload it, but Keith Code probably wants you to buy it. ;) Body lean is critical, and totally separate from bike lean. That's probably part of my problem. The more you lean yourself, the less you have to lean the bike, and the tighter you can turn. If you lean alot, you can almost steer like a car (someone's liable to contradict me here), but who wants to wear their tires flat? It stabilizes the bike and keeps it from falling too far. Maybe it also makes the tires dig in to the curve. Lean the bike too far and you just lowside. Been there, done that. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Dave on 07/14/16 at 07:32:19 As a guess.....I ride around my local roads at a 6 level like you do, and on some of my favorite turns I most likely get up into the 8. On the trips to TN/NC, on the tight twisties like Route 28 or the Dragon.....I tend to ride at the 8-9 level for short periods on the really tight 1st and 2nd gear curves - I am not a fan of riding at elevated speeds and I ride a bit more conservative at speeds over 50. All folks are different. Some will push their limits and become better riders every day....others will reach a certain level and peak. Both can most likely still enjoy riding at their comfort level. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Art Webb on 07/14/16 at 07:47:26 I don't think riding at or near 10 ios all that productive for me this year at the Sisters I was getting to where i could almost sorta keep up, then we rode the sisters, and I pushed as close to 10 as I though i could My fear levels went up, and all the 'progress' I'd made in riding skill / confidence went right out the window, and i was riding slower by the end than i had been when i showed up I think 'exhilaratingly fast' but not 'scarey fast' works better for me |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/14/16 at 07:52:00 10 maybe? ;) http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c5c_1467484605 |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Art Webb on 07/14/16 at 07:53:12 I'd call 10 'scarey fast If you didn't mohawk your seat, it wasn't 10 |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by springman on 07/14/16 at 08:42:51 Using your scale Art of 10 being scary fast, then I would say I rarely ride at 10. I'm guessing push a 9 every now and then but would say most of my riding is in the 5-7 area. My way of viewing bike riding might be a bit out of the norm. I actually want to always be at least a bit scared when on the bike, hoping that will heighten my senses to the max and keep my bet judgement in play. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Serowbot on 07/14/16 at 10:02:12 I've done 11 a few times... It hurts... :-? |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by raydawg on 07/14/16 at 10:19:44 5B4D5A475F4A475C280 wrote:
I'm throwing Web's flag ;D |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/16 at 10:52:07 I've totalled three bikes and hit two cars with bicycles. You can decide what number that is. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by jcstokes on 07/14/16 at 12:15:04 I feel that those who ride at 10 tenths, or maybe 10.5 are top line track racers, or dirt/speedway riders in that environment. Most of us would struggle to 8 tenths out of our bikes. It would be interesting to give Rossi a hour on an S40 to acclimatise and then tell him to go for it. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by springman on 07/14/16 at 12:19:47 JC that really would be cool. And then we would know for sure just what our bikes are capable of. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by springman on 07/14/16 at 12:21:45 Sero, JOG, 11's and above are not good. Let's do 10 and under. ;) |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by verslagen1 on 07/14/16 at 13:09:19 Most of my rides are at a skill level of 2, but a risk level 10+ and creating a mess level 2 and using a non verbal communication level ..1., |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by raydawg on 07/14/16 at 13:55:34 203324253A3731333867560 wrote:
SA or metric? :-? |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by verslagen1 on 07/14/16 at 14:11:29 4C5F475A5F49593E0 wrote:
SA or metric? :-?[/quote] Euclidean |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/16 at 14:19:35 6E6777706B6F6177040 wrote:
The 10 isn't the Bikes capacity. It's the riders ability. Approach the 10, don't exceed it, supposedly gain ability. Push Your envelope, working toward learning how to Utilize the Bikes capacity. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by raydawg on 07/14/16 at 14:58:11 I find the bike reacts best to me counter steering it into a turn and pushing it over instead of me leaning. I feel it's more planted and I take the bumps vertical instead of a 45 degree ( or so ) angle. Whoever said the take their feet off the pegs in a turn, man, that is asking for trouble :o |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/16 at 15:08:17 I never Suggested it. I did it, because the peg was folded up hard enough to hurt my foot, crushing it against the engine. I don't know How people survive, reading, but Not READING. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by raydawg on 07/14/16 at 16:06:57 524D4B4C51566757675F4D410A380 wrote:
I didn't say you sweetie, I would have remembers you :-* Are you reading this ;D |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/16 at 17:48:09 Yes, I'm reading it. Dammit, Ray, I TOLD you Don't use those sweet nothings On the Board! If you just Have to express your feelings, do it in a PM. What is wrong with you? It's irritating enough in a PM, but on the Board? I know, you can't help it,, but try to be just embarrass yourself in the future, okay? And, while I'm already on the subject , a few more P.M.s like that and I will block you. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Kris01 on 07/14/16 at 19:13:06 I didn't get into motorcycling because of the thrill factor. I have too much to live for. I ride at a very comfortable and easy going 5-6. I've done a few 9-10 corners (accidentally! ;D) and it scared the &^%@ outta me! |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by raydawg on 07/14/16 at 19:14:56 392620273A3D0C3C0C34262A61530 wrote:
Scan ;D |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by gizzo on 07/15/16 at 05:10:37 6E7177706D6A5B6B5B63717D36040 wrote:
Post of the week!! :D |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by gizzo on 07/15/16 at 05:30:00 5B505D5948565D4F5A0A0C380 wrote:
That's actually a pretty good strategy and I know other cruiser riders who do it, feeling the road with the heel of their boot gives some warning the pegs are coming close. Well played. For me, it depends where, when and what I'm riding. Most of my bikes are slow and our local twisties are quite tight, the kind you can drag pegs and knees at sane speeds. I'd compare my local with the vids I see of Mulholland and the Dragon. So I feel pretty comfortable going nuts in the hills, up to a point. I try to leave a bit in reserve for an escape route. Some guys I ride with go harder than me, but leave nothing in the "luck jar". So I'll call my style 7 out of 10. I know I can go harder, but I choose not not to. My "fast" bike, I'd call 6, because it can do things at speeds I don't care to do and at my (safe) speed it's too easy. Falling off is no fun and best avoided. I guess everyone's idea of performance riding is different. My mate with a 750 Virago think's he's on fire if he decks a saddlebag. I don't think a 10 is warranted unless your footpegs are ground to little nubs and tyres are flayed smoking carcasses. I love the cabbage because you can ride like a nut and feel like your going hard, but at mostly legal speed. Plus, you look good when you round up a sportbike on one. Same with the Enfield. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/15/16 at 07:06:01 A new rider is riding at HIS 10 just getting out in traffic. The 10 isn't comparative or competitive with others. It's an individuals own max. Your 10 is your 10. Your 10 might be faster than my 10. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Art Webb on 07/15/16 at 07:18:15 to add my voice to JOGs, a 10 in the context of this discussion is 10 10ths of YOUR ability, NOT the bikes going off the BIKES ability, I likely don't get much past 5, 2 on the dragon / sisters, but that's MY 8-10 on the S40, and I on a sport bike riding my 10 would smoke me on the S40 at 10 I hope at this point everybody understands we are talking about our own personal abilities I've been to 11, and it does hurt, which may be why my 10 is so low now ;D personally I like 'fun but not butt clenching' and I think i benefit most from that |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by gizzo on 07/15/16 at 15:54:47 That's the point I was trying to make ;). As usual, JoG sums it up nicely. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by jcstokes on 07/15/16 at 17:44:31 With all due respect JOG 10 is the vehicles limit, not the rider/drivers. If you can ride/drive at ten tenths of any vehicles limit, you are Rossi/ Lewis Hamilton material. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by jcstokes on 07/15/16 at 17:46:29 With all due respect JOG 10 is the vehicles limit, not the rider/drivers. If you can ride/drive at ten tenths of any vehicles limit, you are Rossi/ Lewis Hamilton material. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by cheapnewb24 on 07/15/16 at 17:49:47 5B4145474678495A5C5A414C4F4D280 wrote:
That's actually a pretty good strategy and I know other cruiser riders who do it, feeling the road with the heel of their boot gives some warning the pegs are coming close. Well played. For me, it depends where, when and what I'm riding. Most of my bikes are slow and our local twisties are quite tight, the kind you can drag pegs and knees at sane speeds. I'd compare my local with the vids I see of Mulholland and the Dragon. So I feel pretty comfortable going nuts in the hills, up to a point. I try to leave a bit in reserve for an escape route. Some guys I ride with go harder than me, but leave nothing in the "luck jar". So I'll call my style 7 out of 10. I know I can go harder, but I choose not not to. My "fast" bike, I'd call 6, because it can do things at speeds I don't care to do and at my (safe) speed it's too easy. Falling off is no fun and best avoided. I guess everyone's idea of performance riding is different. My mate with a 750 Virago think's he's on fire if he decks a saddlebag. I don't think a 10 is warranted unless your footpegs are ground to little nubs and tyres are flayed smoking carcasses. I love the cabbage because you can ride like a nut and feel like your going hard, but at mostly legal speed. Plus, you look good when you round up a sportbike on one. Same with the Enfield. [/quote] Can't say for sure it was really intentional. Part of the reason that I drag boot is because I constantly cover the rear brake, so my right foot is always hunched up and my heel is a little lower than the peg. The left peg is a broken off nub. Considering the varying foot position with the shifter, it may not work as well. Could also have contributed to some of my crashes. They were always on the left side. However, there are probably other reasons all of my significant crashes were on the left side. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Kris01 on 07/15/16 at 19:00:21 3C2F292A383F3F5D0 wrote:
Amen to that, Art! |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/15/16 at 19:52:23 293A223F3A2C3C5B0 wrote:
Actually, the thrust of the thread was different. I read it. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by raydawg on 07/15/16 at 19:55:09 58617A602322130 wrote:
Amen to that, Art![/quote] I agree too, but for a different reason.... At my age any butt clenching will surely jump my spastic colon, which, could very well lead to a lumpy seat :o |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Kris01 on 07/15/16 at 20:02:51 TMI Dawg! T... M... I...! |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Art Webb on 07/16/16 at 07:13:57 4A4353544F4B4553200 wrote:
No, with all due respect, any time a discussion of riding at x/10ths is discussed, it's understood that it's x /10th of the RIDER'S ability, especially when an MSF instructor is advocating doing so suggesting that anyone outside a pro should ride at 10/10 of the bike's ability is just silly |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Kris01 on 07/16/16 at 09:08:19 10/10ths of the bike's OR the rider's ability should be limited to a race track anyway! |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by gizzo on 07/16/16 at 15:41:54 What Art Webb said. Almost anyone on the planet riding a Kwak H2R would easily reach their personal 10th far before they found the bike's limits. You'd have to be an idiot to even claim you'd tried. I love thrashing my slow old motorbikes but I like to leave a few pennies in the luck jar. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/16/16 at 17:43:41 I've HAD the bike at its Ten. There is a left hand, off camber sweeper out here that causes it to start oscillating the bars at about sixty.. I don't know how anyone could ride through faster.. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Art Webb on 07/17/16 at 08:17:14 a Schwantz, Rossi, or a Rainy could, bet on it |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/17/16 at 08:38:25 When the bars start oscillating, you can't stop them. Let it get going too far and a tank slapping wobble comes in, just before you crash. If someone is willing to crash, they might ride through a couple MPH ahead.. but The Bike is limited in its suspension and rebels at That curve with the almost imperceptibly undulating asphalt, which causes the rear suspension to work up and down, changing the way the steering angles work. Heck, you can probably get another two MPH through there,, but I won't.. IMO, that Is the Bikes 10. Only foolhardy go beyond wobbling handlebars.. It's like riding a drunk rubber Cow,, handlebars swinging left and right, rear end moving up and down.. hell yeah, come show me.. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Art Webb on 07/18/16 at 10:44:48 Steering wobble has as much to do with rider input as with suspension limits A pro level rider would be smoother on the throttle, have the balance worked out, know precisely how much throttle to give it If you think you can touch a Rossi, Schwantz or Rainey on ANY bike you are flat delusional I've seen guys take my bike and do stuff on it I couldn't with their far better suspended bike Watch a Ninja 500 eat a GSXR600 on a twisty road and tell me again about the bike's limits outweighing the rider's |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/18/16 at 14:55:23 Well, I tried it every time I was going that way. My pegs were ground down till I had to sew the bottom of the rubber on the right side together with baling wire. I played with that corner every way I could think of and the bike became a very scary thing at the same speed.. so, believe what you want.. I would not be surprised to see a better rider get a couple more M P H through there, but I don't see anyone rolling out wide open. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Dave on 07/19/16 at 04:40:40 7D6264637E7948784870626E25170 wrote:
There is no doubt the Savage has some handling limitations. The suspension is not very sophisticated, the chassis is flexible, and the rake on the forks is set up for Cruising.....not really for doing sweepers at speed.....not sure about the weight bias but it seems there is a lot more weight out back and most bikes set up for handling have a lot more weight up front. Tire shape/brand can also have a big effect on handling, and the stock rear tire is kinda wide for the rim and most likely is a bit too flexible for good cornering. Still....the Savage can corner pretty well for a Cruiser - but does get wobbly in the sweepers! |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by RaleighGuy on 07/19/16 at 10:02:34 I could honestly say that I ride at somewhere around 50-60% of my 'best' riding ability. I supposed that would equate to a 5 or 6 most days. But I'm not as convinced that improving my skills can be achieved by pushing myself to do more risky maneuvers. Going faster than my "normally perceived safe speed" doesn't make me feel like I'm getting better, just more cocky. I truly think that by riding through downtown Raleigh traffic at 5:30pm once a week, remembering to flash my high beams every time I see a cage about to turn left in front of me, watching for drivers running red lights, making those sharp u-turns in narrow neighborhood streets, etc, etc, etc can help me improve more reliably. It might be a slower progression, but what the crap. I'm almost 50!! What kind of hurry do I need to be in these days? I don't think trying to take that sharp onramp at the cloverleaf going 5MPH faster than I took it last time is smart for me. I don't want to push my luck, just get to my destination safely (with God's help every single time). ::) just my two cents... |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/19/16 at 11:12:34 When I saw improvements I hit regularly traveled curves at speeds that I knew I would survive and simply tried different lines, lean angles, braking in, when to get back in the gas. Then worked on applying the lessons and be consistent.. And that's the hard part. Coming in, lining up, hitting the apex with the same lean angle,, etc.. I was surprised that less lean gave a better exit speed and smoother feel through . |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Dave on 07/19/16 at 11:28:21 I was reading an article that talked about braking. A Moto GP rider was working on his braking, and had been concentrating on the firt 3% of this braking....and the last 3% of his braking. He was improving his times by concentrating on the time when you first apply the brakes, and the bike begins to transfer the weight to the front of the bike.......then as he would stop braking and begin to apply power, he was working to do it smoothly and not unsettle the bike. When not racing.....he would practice coasting at walking speed, and apply the brakes so that he could sense the pads touching the rotors......but the brakes would not be applying any force to slow the bike. He was working to create a reflex where all of his braking was applied with smoothness - even if it ended up with hard braking. The really hard braking can't begin until the weight is properly moved onto the front tire. When I watch those YouTube videos of scooters in Asian countries crashing.....it is normal that the scooter operator will grab a whole handful of front brake, the wheel locks up and the front tire slides, and they go down hard. The front tire can't take a lot of braking force until the weight has been transferred forward (and/or Scooter brakes might be really sensitive). |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by springman on 07/19/16 at 12:36:16 I'm with you Raleighguy. I ride into work every now and then here in Houston, TX and the cagers can be terrifying. I'm not ashamed to use my horn to let people know I am there even if they were not thinking of coming into my lane. And based on what Dave said I guess I do ride mostly conservatively as I have yet to experience the wobble on a sweeper. I have to admit though, there are not many sweepers in the general Houston area, at least not where I ride. Ride safe my friends. Thump on!!! |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by sauvage on 07/20/16 at 02:35:37 The road is not the place to see what you are capable of and we all give ourselves a little fright occasionally. I think the best thing to do on your own is to practice emergency braking, feeling the front wheel let go and being able to instantly back off a touch. Figure 8's around traffic cones would be good. Then to have some fun and find your limits in a safe environment book a day at a racetrack with a riding school. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/20/16 at 02:43:28 Probably the wise move, but I am gonna do what I do. The curves are there..and I will always play with them. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Art Webb on 07/20/16 at 07:14:25 I have definitely felt my S40 wobble, and then Versy got on it and put it through it's paces and went much faster That was right after my crash on the Sisters basically my enhanced butt-pucker reaction was causing me to tighten up, which leads to: TADA! steering wobble in fast sweepers as well as tight twists When I relaxed more the wobble went away then when I scared myself again the wobble came back As Versy, Dave, and Springman can attest, if they take off the kid gloves and speak trooth, I am nowhere near the S40's limitations in corners, but there's that wobble, just like I was 'on the edge' I was My edge, not the bike's |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Art Webb on 07/20/16 at 07:22:17 6B505D4A5B574C4A5159544B380 wrote:
Scooters, especially the big 'uns, are quite tail heavy, and the steering is lighter than a motorcycle, to the point of twitchiness, and not a lot of traction before weight transitions get on one and treat it like a moto and you'll drop it No1 cause of new scooter riders crashing here in the US is guys getting off motos onto scooters and inputting steering like it was a moto |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by RaleighGuy on 07/20/16 at 07:22:47 5C4F494A585F5F3D0 wrote:
------------------------------------------- Art, your point is well taken. As I got my Cabbage up to 90 MPH for the first time this morning (a speed I've only done maybe twice in the 15 years I've been riding), it began to seriously wobble and shake in my grip. But as butt-puckering as my position was, I'd be willing to bet you are right about ME being the cause. Although I probably won't test this theory doing 90 again, 75 will have to suffice for future tests. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by raydawg on 07/20/16 at 08:27:10 I think it's safe to say fixation is real, you focus on what you want to avoid and you end up there...... I believe it's true as well when you ride tight. Your grip and fear cause mental fatigue with fixating on holding the bars to tight and going to the brake on any perception of loosing control. Only riding in those fears will give you confidence that is needed to ride past that fear. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by springman on 07/20/16 at 09:15:30 You lost me for a minute Jog, when you said as long as the curves are there you're going to play with them. Then I remembered we are talking about roads. ::) |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by raydawg on 07/20/16 at 13:54:20 3A393B20272E242827490 wrote:
Yeah No kidding, that guy has forgotten where curves lead.... S'pose he been rid'n two up with bot so long he done ferget |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/20/16 at 15:52:10 Yeah, yeah, the ONLY place I had a wobble was that sweeper, but it was my fault.. |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Serowbot on 07/20/16 at 15:57:07 When you get up to those speeds, wind can buffet against your body and make your arms wiggle the bars... relaxing helps... |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/20/16 at 16:07:44 But THAT ONLY MESSED WITH ME THERE. How are you people so unable to READ? The asphalt was not flat. The suspension was working.. GET IT? |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by springman on 07/21/16 at 11:37:37 Raydawg, I guess you know JOG better than I do. ;D |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by raydawg on 07/21/16 at 12:01:23 3033312A2D242E222D430 wrote:
Well maybe if you put one of these :-* at the end of your post/reply he might be willing to get to know you better ;D |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by Art Webb on 07/22/16 at 07:38:30 35263E23263020470 wrote:
I will agree, and disagree fast enough to be a little scared but still having fun helps going into true butt pucker territory makes matters worse as I said, I rode faster through the sweepers before riding the sisters than i did after, especially the first time, after low siding nothing ruins confidence like a crash, and riding at your 10 will lead to crashes that's why smart people reserve riding at 10 for the track |
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Title: Re: Riding @ 10..... Post by raydawg on 07/22/16 at 15:35:02 30232526343333510 wrote:
I will agree, and disagree fast enough to be a little scared but still having fun helps going into true butt pucker territory makes matters worse as I said, I rode faster through the sweepers before riding the sisters than i did after, especially the first time, after low siding nothing ruins confidence like a crash, and riding at your 10 will lead to crashes that's why smart people reserve riding at 10 for the track[/quote] Agree :) |
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