SuzukiSavage.com /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Wiring question /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1462735966 Message started by frickshun on 05/08/16 at 12:32:46

Title: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/08/16 at 12:32:46 I am rewiring my 01 savage and almost have it all down except for wiring the starter selenoid and the starter in any help would be appreciated

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/08/16 at 15:13:22 So after some trial and error I got it all wired up. But now I can't get the bike to turn over.... when you press the start switch the selenoid clicks but doesn't do anything I bridged the selenoid and the bike started.... so my question is, is my brand new selenoid that I just took out of the box bad or am I missing something in the wiring?

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by Kris01 on 05/08/16 at 15:17:07 Here's some wiring diagrams for you: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1294779818

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by KennyG on 05/08/16 at 15:18:55 Frick, What kind of shape is your battery in? Kenny G

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/08/16 at 15:39:51 Brand new battery. If I bridge the solenoid the bike starts right up and runs.. and I don't know if it could be one of the safetit's cus when you hit the start switch the light dims the motor clicks and the solenoid clicks.... I have a power wire running from the battery to the solenoid then the solenoid to the starter and have the two little wires running to their corresponding colors... I'm just stumped

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by verslagen1 on 05/08/16 at 15:46:09 did you follow the standard wiring diagram or something else?

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/08/16 at 15:49:11 Start button guts may be dirty. Sounds like insufficient current available to the solenoid primary coil.

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/08/16 at 15:50:48 Standard wiring diagram. And I'll pull the button apart and clean it out

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/08/16 at 15:52:50 Key off, check it out with a meter. If you're going in, sweep up first. Some small stuff in there.

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by gizzo on 05/08/16 at 15:53:00 Stupid clutch and sidestand interlocks are working properly or been disabled? Kill switch On?

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/08/16 at 16:07:12 Ok clened the switch housing, and yes all stupid switches are working as intended I pit the kickstand down and it didn't even click

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/08/16 at 16:08:05 I have a power wire running from the battery to the solenoid then the solenoid to the starter and have the two little wires running to their corresponding color Well, where they come from and go to matters. I don't know exactly how it is set up. I would, if I was designing it, run a hot wire to the solenoid primary coil, that goes hot with the key,and provide the ground through the switch. That's not gonna work out if the housing of the solenoid is the ground. Sidestand and clutch safety would kill it. Study what you have before ripping into stuff. It's a great way to create gremlins.

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/08/16 at 16:18:08 Is there a way to test a solenoid

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/08/16 at 16:25:28 Yeah, but yours already passed. It works. Just gotta feed it the right voltages, provide the grounds, shazzam, starts. That's depending on what exactly you jumpered... Maybe describe what you have, in detail,

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/08/16 at 16:30:41 I will draw It out I think that would be the easiest way to describe it

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/08/16 at 16:32:38 The only thing I don't understand is that if I bridge the solenoid it starts so wouldn't that mean that it has the correct voltage going to it?

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/08/16 at 16:33:43 If you know how to do that,  I sure don't, except with a pencil.

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/08/16 at 16:48:27 Lol well the best way I can describe it is a hot wire from the battery and ignition to one big post and then a wire from the other big post to the starter. Then on the little posts there's a yellow/black wire that runs to a black box... lol I know that sounds dumb. Then a blk and white wire that runs from the other small post to the same black box

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/08/16 at 16:51:00 Well, someone posted a link to wiring diagrams. If you have it setup different,, might wanna think about that.

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/08/16 at 19:18:54 I think tomorrow I am going to start from scratch... I'm the second person to hack into this harness and it's causing nothing but troubles so I think it'll be the easiest way

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by gizzo on 05/08/16 at 20:32:06 372338323A2239243F510 wrote: The only thing I don't understand is that if I bridge the solenoid it starts so wouldn't that mean that it has the correct voltage going to it? Most likely. Seeing you say the solenoid clicks when you push the button, now check with a multimeter or test light whether power is coming out of the solenoid, to the starter motor with the start button pushed. If you can get it to turn over by bridging the solenoid, that would indicate to me that there is an internal fault with the solenoid. You are jumping the solenoid from the battery cable to the starter cable at the solenoid terminal posts, right?

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/08/16 at 20:46:12 Yes that is correct I wired in a toggle switch from post to post and it started

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by gizzo on 05/08/16 at 20:55:30 Sounds like the solenoid is at fault then.

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by batman on 05/08/16 at 21:56:04 a toggle switch? sounds like he is jumping the wire that come from the handlebars ,not the battery /starter cables. I don't think a toggle switch could handle that kind of amparage

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/08/16 at 22:21:55 Well it started... and blew up the toggle switch lol... it held it for about 15 seconds

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by gizzo on 05/08/16 at 23:09:53 yup. that's why there's a solenoid... ;D

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/09/16 at 08:38:25 I'm gonna test the voltages on the relay today and if there good I think I'm gonna try another relay before I try to rewire the whole bike

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by Dave on 05/09/16 at 08:52:46 When the solenoid relay "click"....it should be closing the circuit from the large terminals connected to the positive battery to the one connected to the starter.  If you have 12V positive to the battery side....you should be getting 12V positive to the terminal the starter wire is connected to - if not....then the relay may be not be working correctly. Before you take the solenoid out of the system - run a jumper wire to the solenoid from the positive terminal of the battery.....and see if the solenoid works when you bypass your handlebar switch (you might have some built in resistance somewhere).

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/09/16 at 09:06:27 Ran a jumper from the battery and it still just clicks there is 12v going in and 0 coming out

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by Dave on 05/09/16 at 09:17:55 Well that sure seems to indicate the solenoid is not doing what it should be doing.

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/09/16 at 10:47:41 That sucks it's a brand new solenoid but I bought it on eBay so I guess that's what I get

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/09/16 at 11:22:25 Which posts? A solenoid is just an electromechanical switch. A chikkenshit five amp switch isn't gonna survive the load. The primary coil, the small wires, creare an electromagnet, pulling a slug into a cavity, and making a connection. You put 12 volts on one of those small posts, ground the other. Then see. Google Solenoid

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/09/16 at 12:32:22 Well it was a 20amp switch.that's what I did this morning ran a jumper to the small post and grounded the other and nothing.

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/09/16 at 13:23:37 Well, if you hooked up to the hot side and flipped the switch, of COURSE it died and nothing happened. Do you have a meter? Look up solenoid Understand what they are and how they work

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by frickshun on 05/09/16 at 13:30:08 I do understand what a solenoid is and yes I have a meter and have checked there is 12v coming from the battery there is 11 coming from the start switch and 0 going to the starter.

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/11/16 at 21:29:12 Exactly where are your test leads that tell you these voltages? What connections did you hook up the switch to? Id disconnect the two small wires, run a sixteen gauge , straight from the battery, to one of those posts, ground the other. And be in neutral. It might take off rolling,

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by Garry on 05/12/16 at 02:56:16 If the solenoid clicks it means the electromagnetic contacts are being operated. The fault must therefore be in these load carrying contacts of the solenoid that supply the starter motor or the supply to these contacts from the positive of the battery or the connection of the the output contact of the solenoid to the starter motor or the  starter motor brushes or the connection to the negative of the battery to the starter motor. You may have a faulty starter motor? If you put an ohm meter across the solenoid contacts and read infinity when the solenoid coil is not activated and zero ohms when the solenoid coil has 12v DC across it then the solenoid is OK. Hope this is of some help. These things always end up,being simple in the end!

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/16 at 05:09:25 The infamous clicking is caused by the primary coil closing the main contacts, introducing the current load and its attendant voltage drop into the equation, causing the primary coil to suddenly have insufficient power to remain energized. When it drops out, the main connection opens, removing the big load, and, then the primary coil can energize and close the main contacts. Again, connect twelve volts directly to one of those small posts, ground the other. See what happens. If it spins over, it's not the solenoid.

Title: Re: Wiring question Post by batman on 05/30/16 at 20:23:59 Very early on you said (I put the kickstand down and now it doesn't even click)Is the  bike in neutral? are you pulling in the clutch lever? If you say all the switches are working the solenoid won't come in if you don't proceed in this way.It doesn't matter if you start the bike in gear,with the side stand up/or in neutral you still need to pull in the clutch lever unless you've bypassed it.

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