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Title: Feeding the beast...... Post by raydawg on 05/06/16 at 05:15:35 I am still trying to wrap some sort of semblance around our next presidential election :o Not sure if I can surmise anything concrete presently as everything is so fluid and changes on a whim. The professional pundits are not any better off, and fact is they might be standing too close to the trees and fail to see their duplicity in the matter! One thing that has struck me, and I will use my buddy Bot as an example, tho tame in many respects as opposed to some of the video you see on the media outlets...... Is this anger and disgust aimed at Trump! It did not work on all those republican challengers he dispatched, with their collective experience and funding. And it seems he is using this same frustration and turning it on those who still oppose him, of his party, and Hillary. You see the mob mentality of these raucous demonstrators and it is not much of a leap to associate them with his opposition, re: Hillary, by default. In other words, it looks bad :o I think it is almost a Bradley effect when it comes to polling the numbers, people don't like what they see exhibited against Trump, yet, they don't want that same anger generated toward them by affirming a vote for him as opposed to this mob mentality of his opposition.... Again, look at Bot's replies, one liners and nothing substantive.... Which is what people are frucking tired of in politics! Your thoughts? |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Serowbot on 05/06/16 at 07:25:22 3D2E362B2E38284F0 wrote:
Yes,... people are lying because they fear my sarcasm... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by raydawg on 05/06/16 at 08:11:07 You really aren't that dumb...... are you? It's easier to be dismissive than to risk engaging, right? You don't want to stray too far from the reservation, huh ::) |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Serowbot on 05/06/16 at 08:51:19 You expect to engage me intellectually by asking if I'm dumb?... That would be dumb... :-? My sarcasm and dismissiveness,.. is on a bike site, arguing politics. Trump does it on a podium... Which is the more inappropriate?... Some things just can't be discussed seriously... Trump is one of them. He is a joke of a man,.. and it is unfathomable that he where he is today. The Republican Party is now a joke. I'm really looking forward to his monumental failure, and the death of the Republican Party. Consider,... last election, there was an arrogant, white, silver spoon, billionaire on the ticket. It didn't go well... This time you have a rude, racist, grade school, arrogant, silver spoon, billionaire... that looks like the bastard offspring of an Oompa Loompa... What's the forecast?... I see rain...;D |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by old.indian on 05/06/16 at 09:20:44 The whole situation is a very bad joke... The worst part of it is that the joke is on the average American citizen..... One political party's "establishment" dislikes their party's presumptive candidate to such a degree that they are publicly discussing fielding a "third party" candidate. (Not exactly what I would consider a very good strategy to win the "white house".)... The other party's establishment is intent on nominating "their" candidate while ignoring and pushing aside any resistance to "their" decision. It may be one-heck-of-a-joke. BUT I ain't laughing..... >:( |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by raydawg on 05/06/16 at 11:03:01 I agree it's no joke, however, a large segment of a political party has had their say, for whatever reason, and we can argue the insanity of it, however it doesn't remove the very fact it happened within the system.... As has Bernie, and his followers, and I might imagine, their angst at the "party" for their presumption of anointing Hillary right out of the gate. However, that is not even the gist of my post.... I don't get Trump, and at this stage of the game, I ain't voting for him, nor my wife. I have asked his supporters here to enlighten me re: the man, and I have nothing concrete. We can name call and assign him cartoon characters semblance, as if that ain't childish...... ::) But even Michael Moore has lectured the left on the need to be serious re: Trump. I still believe he is a symptom of a failed two party system, not a savior.... But go ahead Bot, blame mitt, or don, or whoever, and when you awake, maybe we can begin to be part of the solution, even on a silly motorcycle board. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Serowbot on 05/06/16 at 11:17:46 I don't blame Trump... he is what he is... I blame the fools that want him behind the wheel... ...or, his finger on the red button... :-? |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 05/06/16 at 11:32:27 I'll take a shot at replying to Ray Dawg's question. It certainly won't be a complete answer. I and my family are Trump supporters; in fact, my daughter is the campaign chairman for our county. First, yes, we like the idea of a businessman running things for change, rather than some career politician, or community organizer who hasn't had a real job in decades, if ever. Sanders is a left over hippie from the Haight Ashbury days who has no clue about anything realistic to do with economics. We like Trump's attitude about foreign aid - extracting something in return from all of the countries we protect and shelter, especially the Saudis. Our heroin epidemic is beyond description, and even a little sealing of our southern border can't help but at least do something to help alleviate it. In every speech he gives, he talks about doing more for our veterans - who can object to that. He understands finance - just yesterday he spoke about taking advantage of these current historically low interest rates and refinancing a good portion of our national debt to cut the massive amount of interest that the gov't pays. That's a no brainer; but the community organizer never thought of it. At a rally recently, a retired union construction worker got up to thank Trump for employing him for 18 years and providing a decent living for the man and his family. It was announced a few hours ago that the West Virginia Coal Miners Association just endorsed Trump. Trump is a friend to the working people of this country - there isn't a single union that is vigorously opposing him. I am not a tea party type, and get tired of people who say that Trump isn't a true conservative, whatever that is. If it means that Trump is not "Lucifer in the flesh", as Boehner said Cruz is, that's good in my mind. Labels mean little - ideas mean a lot. He understand trade issues - I like that he wants Ford to pay a tariff on cars that Ford makes in Mexico - we all pregnant dog about jobs going overseas, and Trump is the only one to have a firm idea how to prevent it. Additionally, Trump said yesterday that he doesn't oppose a reasonable increase in the minimum wage. Good. That's probably enough for now to stir the pot a little. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/06/16 at 15:31:31 Our heroin epidemic is beyond description And of our own making. The poppy fields were at all time lows when we went into A/stan. Now,, record highs. Who believes Iran Contra was the end of CIA drug smuggling? Anyone else who is aware of the crackdown on pain meds? It's getting harder and harder to get reasonable pain management. And what will the people turn to as they lose their doctors? I know a man who drives from Longview to Houston every month, because his doctor moved and the workers compensation people who Pay him to make that drive, won't or can't find him a local doctor. Yeah, we are just So anti drug. The prison system is mostly private and they get a contract with the state, and the state Promises to maintain their population at a certain percentage. Go look. We, the U.S., have the equipment to destroy all those fields, instead, we instead, put soldiers IN those fields to protect them. Go look. Fast and furious was a program to arm the cartels that agree to launder their money through our banks and invest in wall street. Go look. And the criminality knows no bounds. But, they draw the line at false flag operations. These creeps who get richer while we are at war would never actually DO anything that would bring the sheeple to bleat in unison to go to war. They certainly didn't lie us into Nam. And we didn't stay too many years after we knew. How many trillions of dollars and thousands of lives from the worlds greatest superpower does it take to bring to heel a small Asian country? Talk about needing to wake Up... C'mon, |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 05/06/16 at 15:34:20 JOG - You never disappoint; there is always a conspiracy for everything. How about staying on subject and address Raydawg's questions. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by raydawg on 05/06/16 at 16:18:28 353A363C373A313D3A2D383A2D5F0 wrote:
WHEW...... Thank you Jerry, I almost forgot the post topic ;D Jerry, I have read about Newt being a possible Veep. Any skinny to that? I credit the man for many novel ideas and he was a big factor in Clinton using triangulation to move many left wing agendas off the chalkboard. Will Trump disappoint Bot soon and move away from smack talk and give folk like me (and my wife) something to chew on? I would love to hear about taxes, I think a better, simplified system, is greatly needed. I am for consumption, as that would also address "illegals" being a drain on the system, as they would be paying into just to be here, the same as tourist and visitors. While I got you, any ideas on a cabinet? |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 05/06/16 at 16:28:20 Only got a couple of minutes. Short list for VP ,as I've heard, is Kasich, Newt, Martinez ( female governor of New Mexico ) and one other whose name I can't recall. Trump knows he is a political newbie, and has said he wants someone who has served in Congress, can get legislation thru, and who has friends in both parties. More tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Serowbot on 05/06/16 at 18:45:37 45564E53564050370 wrote:
He has said too much too often... offended and alienated too many for too long,... it won't just go away. Even support among his own party is in a shambles... ...besides,.. this ain't an act... his nature won't allow him to be humble or apologize. Jerry,... I can't believe you of all people support him... I thought you were a more serious person than this. This will be the grand finale' Shark Jump moment of the Republican Party. It came in with perhaps the greatest president ever, Lincoln... and has slowly devolved into this... Trump... http://onmilwaukee.com/images/articles/static/Trumpclown.jpg |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by WebsterMark on 05/06/16 at 18:59:26 What you can't grasp Sew is many of us have seen Obama as the real clown for the past 8 years. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by pg on 05/06/16 at 19:05:51 4254435E46535E45310 wrote:
Here are just a few reasons why I support him. http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/09/20150916_obo_0.jpg Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by raydawg on 05/06/16 at 19:31:46 Golly, and bot thinks Hillary and her staff being investigated by the FBI is not a circus act? Yeah, yeah, I got it, just a witch hunt..... But that excuse fails, even a blind man can see the witch, so the hunt should be over by now ::) I know you don't understand bot, but you are more responsible for Trump than Jerry. One day you might awaken, but it might be too late. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/06/16 at 19:39:28 Yeah, but what have you got that's substantive? ou see the mob mentality of these raucous demonstrators and it is not much of a leap to associate them with his opposition, re: Hillary, by default. So, the Violence is owned by the left, not Trump... hmmmm. Now how can that Be? Trump IS ( supported and, in spite of his lack of decorum, seen as Better than the other options )because the System systematically SHAT on and destroyed Ron Paul. People are PISSTAWFF about the things that are made clearly and unavoidably obvious by the graphs so neatly presented above. And Who do the bubs want gone? Trump. Why? Because they are scared he will upset status quo. We have been being invaded from the south for decades. The left have consistently and persistently blamed the EEEEVIL bubs, who want cheap labor. Yet, not ONE THING CHANGED while Slick Willey sat at the desk. And how many unemployed people do you want to be able to get cheap labor? When does stupid stop being an excuse? And if someone Wants to challenge the points I made earlier, get after it. If you have not seen the pictures of soldiers in the poppy fields, you're not paying attention. Not one of you has EVER bothered to explain why Henry Ford was wrong, and I've thrown that gauntlet until it's worn through. But I I I Am the one who won't answer the questions. You're educated, Jerry. You don't have an excuse for not knowing what the fed is or how we are complicit in the opium. It's right in front of us, man. And you're old enough to remember Iran Contra. Is there something that has changed that would make me believe that we couldn't still be doing that? Has anyone even bothered to see if there's any merit to what I say? And people say How stupid do they think we are? And that's been asked and answered, and well exploited. Ohh, look, my sentences aren't clear. I haven't really figured out what Ray was even trying to say. More rant than points made. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Serowbot on 05/06/16 at 22:46:40 41524A57524454330 wrote:
Who's running that circus?... :-? |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by raydawg on 05/07/16 at 08:12:13 7A6C7B667E6B667D090 wrote:
Who's running that circus?... :-?[/quote] Yes, a poor victim of conspiracy, that card is getting tattered, eh? You fault me for thinking her complicit when she travels with carnival and juggles the truth under the same big tent the clowns use, HA.... Wake up, smell the coffee bro! We will never fix this crap until we quit paying for entrance.... We need either more parties, as the two party system is corrupt and broke, even tho you only see one party fault, or no party affiliation, which is what I favor.... Boy that would make all the clowns stand alone ;D |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Serowbot on 05/07/16 at 08:34:28 Don't get me wrong,.. I do believe both parties are corrupted by money, and beholdin' to their big donors... 501 non-profits, and calling corporations people, has made this much worse... I would like to see elections limited to private donations, and those donations limited to $1,000... Corporations are not people and cannot donate... 501's gotten rid of altogether. Lobbying limited to unpaid private causes... ... but,... this "investigation" is an investigation in search of a crime. They haven't found one yet... That is, by definition, a witch hunt... |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by old.indian on 05/07/16 at 08:36:42 This will be the dirtiest campaign in US history. Mud slinging and "dirty tricks". Rumor mongering and libel will be everyday conversation. Issues are/will be ignored in battle to destroy the opponent's personality. It's my opinion that the Republican party's "establishment" reluctance to support Mr. Trump will doom the party's chances to win the White House . Conversely, many members of the Democrat party are sworn to "work as hard as possible to defeat Donald Trump". Hilary comes into this dragging negative baggage dating back to the early 1970s. Scandals and questions regarding every aspect of her life and political career will be under public scrutiny for her entire term in office. Her term in office will be more continuous than Nixon's. Wall Street connections, Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation, political contributions from foreign sources, election fraud during these primaries, private email servers, party "super delegates" who support her who are registered lobbyist, etc. etc. etc. "It's the corruption, Stupid." 8-) Business as usual in Washington D.C. ::) |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 05/07/16 at 08:40:27 If you notice, most all of the anti Trump noise basically boils down to criticism of his personality and little to do with his proposals. Maybe it has to do with my job, but I am used to showmen in a courtroom who, when outside of that arena, are very calculating and thoughtful people. There is no question that Trump is bombastic in the showman environment. But I can't believe that when behind closed doors, and contemplating a multi million dollar deal, or other important matter, that he's anything but a very careful and analytical mind. Being an actor ( spelled "Reagan") for a living doesn't mean that those skills carry over into one's contemplative and business lives. A part of the skill of communication is to exaggerate your statements, for effect and attention. Of course no one is going to deport 11 million Mexicans. But such carefully planned exaggeration brings home the point of illegal immigration. So I don't give much credence to the criticisms of his personality, because I don't think we'll even know the real Trump unless we are fortunate to be one of his family, close business associates, or advisers. Not one of those people has come out against him. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by raydawg on 05/07/16 at 11:27:40 5A4C5B465E4B465D290 wrote:
We agree then, lets do lunch :-* If the Clinton's would learn to put the friggin shovel down at the start, they could save a lot of their own skin. Geez, Bill's ego, and poor make up, with his finger wagging at us in TV land, about him not having any relationship with that girl, Mz Lewinsky, will be a headline with graphic for all eternity. Only to walk it back, leading to impeachment, for lying, which was so avoidable if he would said it is a matter between me, Hillary, and Monica, and that is where it will stay, AS IT SHOULD HAVE! This mindset, and ego, etc, is what concerns me about them, from Arkansas, till now. Let the truth out, and lets move forward.... It will work every time. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by raydawg on 05/07/16 at 11:28:54 7E7D753F787F7578707F110 wrote:
Plus 1 |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by raydawg on 05/07/16 at 11:41:56 Yes to this: If you notice, most all of the anti Trump noise basically boils down to criticism of his personality and little to do with his proposals. And this is why I wait to hear about those very issues, as well as possible cabinet and running mate. Honest Jerry, I will turn a deaf ear to the man if he doesn't stop with the school yard of "your momma is fatter than my momma" crap, like he did with Liz Warren and his Indian crack, or for that matter, even the Bush and other entrenched right wing/conservative/evangelicals of HIS party. So please, tell your daughter there is a lot of us not wanting to vote for Hillary, but I will, as I think she will play the same game, that has been played in DC for years, even tho I know it HAS to change, we are on an unsustainable course. One final thought, since he is running as a business man, I want to hear how he goes about getting our spending under control. How will government be financed. How will he cut programs, and what programs, and what will he do with those displaced off those programs, be it military, medical, or social, etcs, cuts? Thank you Jerry! |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 05/07/16 at 14:12:09 I'd like to see Trump pick either Kasich or Martinez as VP, and announce that he will seek to nominate Cruz for the Supreme Court to replace Scalia - that would quite the conservatives who are talking this 3rd party nonsense. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/07/16 at 16:46:47 Anyone who suggests a third party wants Hillary or is too stupid to understand what dividing the vote means. Conservatives, my eye... |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by raydawg on 05/07/16 at 18:48:31 0A05090308050E020512070512600 wrote:
Interesting Jerry. As a believing Christian I hesitate with that nomination of Cruz. I think separation is exactly that, and I believe the founders knew of the dangers. Let say someone wanted to appoint a Muslim who practices Sharia Law, can you imagine the outcry? I am not suggesting they are equal, but using one to shine the light of the possibilities of the other, if they believe their job is to correct other(s) beliefs, based on their own faith base perceptions. We have seen the law swing to a dangerous interpretation with "hate crime". Once we prosecute on thought, the tyranny gate will be swung wide open, and blood will flow greatly to reverse it. I would rather a guilty man walk, as opposed to such an absolute extension of ideology based laws. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by old.indian on 05/09/16 at 14:01:43 Burnie has it right about Hilary's Wall Street connections. ::) And we all know that those guys ALWAYS expect a major return on their "investments"... ;) http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-recently-raised-more-wall-street-cash-than-all-other-candidates-combined/ |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Serowbot on 05/09/16 at 19:00:44 232C202A212C272B2C3B2E2C3B490 wrote:
The problem with Trump's policies is they aren't there... Firstly, vague... and secondly, they change day to day... Let's also add,... many are illegal, unconstitutional, or logistically impossible. If you want what he wants,... you're going to be left wanting... :-? |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/09/16 at 20:38:15 unconstitutional Never bothered you with the magic negro. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by old.indian on 05/09/16 at 21:05:50 504F494E53546555655D4F43083A0 wrote:
Be careful Old Guy, Be very careful. I some to put some very good men in body bags . Men who happened to be Black. ANY disrespect to those men, or their race will not earn you any brownie points with ME. ENOUGH SAID! |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/09/16 at 21:27:16 You want my address? Bammy has nuts on the constitution, and suddenly bot has scruples.. screw that.. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Serowbot on 05/09/16 at 22:28:33 Well,... aren't you the fickle Constitutionalist.... |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/10/16 at 05:51:49 I'm curious about what you believe is unconstitutional. In the vagueries of his policies,what have you seen that is against the constitution? You have been absolutely blind to the illegalities of Obama, but suddenly offended by what trump suggests. Point some out. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by pg on 05/10/16 at 06:24:08 392620273A3D0C3C0C34262A61530 wrote:
I'm curious if he believes in the constitution. :-/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 05/10/16 at 06:25:11 Several new polls out this morning have Trump and Clinton virtually tied in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania - key swing states. Historically, after a 2 term Presidency, it's very difficult for that same party to secure a 3rd term. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/10/16 at 08:12:24 Especially when the current dictatorship has seen Zero years of 3% gdp growth, which is a new record. The Party of Peace has killed so many. I'm pretty good at killing people.. Really? And that cackling pregnant dog thinks she should be president,, I'll puke. But, I think it would be interesting to have someone who has seemed very distant from the constitution to explain what trump is suggesting that is unconstitutional. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by Serowbot on 05/10/16 at 08:41:50 Use your Constitutional radar to ferret them out... :-? Prove to me that you're a true Constitutionalist... ... and not just a Constitution thumper... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/10/16 at 09:47:47 Well, I'd rather you tell me, because I don't believe you know what is and isn't constitutional. You've made a claim that his position is against the constitution. What position? I don't play games. When Bush was wrong, I pointed it out. I've also pointed out that I don't trust Trump, several times, but, I prefer an unknown to Hillary, because she is a disaster. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by raydawg on 05/10/16 at 13:59:22 Hillary a disaster...... Huh? She is textbook bought and paid politician. Funny, a man does it, par for the course, etc.... A woman does it and she is a pregnant dog ( be etch). She is a liar with few peers. She has left a trail of fall guys, and perhaps some blood inadvertently from Vinny. She is what so many are against, however, she has a lot of company in DC. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/10/16 at 15:03:00 How very shockingly myopic. You accuse me of being sexist, after I've pointed out my misgivings about Trump, over and over. Nobody can Know what Trump will do, but Hillary has demonstrated her willingness to screw America. And you want to pretend that my preference for TRump is because he can stand up and piss. How absolutely like you. nd, equally shocking, Bot has yet to point out what Trump proposes that would be counter to the constitution. Shawking. |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by raydawg on 05/10/16 at 16:11:52 Duuuuuuuuuuude........ I have no idea what sorta glasses you wear, but your prescription is suspect. Hillary is the exact imagine of the things feminist hate about men, so call me a transgender voter who can cast on both sides of the ballot, I guess ;D She is cold, callous, and I think she was probably happy Vinnie knocked himself off instead of spilling the beans on her and Hub, from her Rose Law Firm days.... I don't think her "womanhood" had any qualms about dragging Bill's bang buddies through the mud to avoid fallout either. She is a snake. If I was ISIS, I would fear her ;D |
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Title: Re: Feeding the beast...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/10/16 at 17:02:23 You're so blind. If you isis, you'd be praying to Alah for her. Gee, ohh, my goodness, we Accidentally dropped weapons to Isis! Ooopsies! And yet, not one word from Bot. What, exactly, does Trump propose that is unconstitutional? |
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