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Message started by cheapnewb24 on 04/30/16 at 09:57:45

Title: Clutch videos
Post by cheapnewb24 on 04/30/16 at 09:57:45

I plan on checking on the cam chain sometime soon, and, having looked over some of the clutch discussion here, I thought that maybe it would benefit me to throw in a longer clutch rod while I have the cover off. The clutch works okay for everyday use, though it slips for a second between gears occasionally when I flog it and don't engage it just right. Just thought I'd ask if you guys thought I would get any benefit from doing that. It is between 1500-2000 miles between oil changes, so dirty oil could be an issue. I'm using Rotella dino 15w-40.

It doesn't seem too bad, does it? It seems to first engage near the upper line. I have play in the clutch, and it has plenty enough throw to disengage, so how can I get better than that? Will it simply have a more aggressive engagement profile with the same max grip? :-? Will the "long" rod be too long for this case? Should I just do something else to the clutch for more grip or leave it alone?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFoS0n2-mGs[/media]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFoS0n2-mGs

I loosened up the cable as much as possible then ran it back down to a reasonable place for driving.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcC1wn1IX-M&feature=youtu.be[/media]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcC1wn1IX-M&feature=youtu.be

Youtube has a nice video stabilization feature. :)

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/30/16 at 12:51:12

Check the lever position. Look at the marks on the case. You might need a shorter rod.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by cheapnewb24 on 04/30/16 at 13:05:46

I posted the links so you could look at the videos. The lever approaches the upper mark at the end of its free travel.

Shorter rod??? Wasn't it supposed to be the longer one? I gather there was a lot of confusion over this. The longer rod makes sense to me.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/30/16 at 13:23:42

Wait till the pro's check in.

How you engage the clutch matters. The more time spent between contact, the friction zone, and complete engagement, the more wear.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by norm92de on 05/02/16 at 09:44:54

Your clutch sounds ok to me.

As the clutch plates wear they get thinner, this moves the operating lever lower on the case. If you are near the upper mark when you take up the free play that sounds good to me.

How many miles on the bike? It is possible you have glazed plates in the clutch if it is slipping.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by norm92de on 05/02/16 at 09:51:02

I didn't mention that as the clutch wears you will need a shorter rod to get the lever back to where it should be. In your case it seems to be the correct length.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/16 at 13:15:02

If you're flogging the snot outta the poor thing and think you're feeling a slip, bypass the clutch. First to second, you gotta clutch it, but second on up, just slap the gas shut and snick it into gear and grab the gas. You can do it quick enough it won't even backfire. And you can downshift, too, but I can't really explain just how I flicked the gas and worked the shifter.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by cheapnewb24 on 05/02/16 at 20:36:18

Isn't that a little hard on the gear dogs? Also, the difference between 2nd and 3rd is also rather large. I've shifted without clutching before, especially the 4th to 5th change, which is very easy.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by gizzo on 05/03/16 at 01:33:00

I can't clutchless shift my Cabbage nicely, either. It's a 4 speed.
My other Bikes, no problem up and down.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/16 at 04:33:06

If you time it right, unload the transmission gears, it shifts perfectly and smoothly.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by Dave on 05/03/16 at 05:15:19

584741465B5C6D5D6D55474B00320 wrote:

If you time it right, unload the transmission gears, it shifts perfectly and smoothly.

I have owned a few motorcycles that shift OK between gears without the clutch - but my Savage isn't one of them. It is far faster, easier and smoother to use the clutch.....your bike will thank you for it.

I make sure the clutch lever is fully released before applying power......as full power and a partially engaged clutch can promote slipping. When you fully release the clutch lever before applying throttle - you won't create clutch problems.......even with a modified engine.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by gizzo on 05/03/16 at 06:18:31

455A5C5B4641704070485A561D2F0 wrote:

If you time it right, unload the transmission gears, it shifts perfectly and smoothly.

Like I said: My other bikes I can do it fine, but not the Cabbage. Yours might well have been different.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by Art Webb on 05/03/16 at 06:56:33

I was able to shift mine sans clutch, once above 1st, smoothly and easily
Then again, I can do the same with a manual in a cage, or a box truck
I can likely do it in a semi but never have, so I won't say I can unless I ever try it
It's all timing and knowing the vehicle
I would not try it on a savage with the double Kaw pulley, though, as it separates the gears more, RPM wie

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by cheapnewb24 on 05/05/16 at 06:40:10

2425382773782E2F4A0 wrote:

I didn't mention that as the clutch wears you will need a shorter rod to get the lever back to where it should be. In your case it seems to be the correct length.

Doesn't it take a longer rod?

Wasn't there already a big, long argument on this?

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1270678838

Maybe I should order a longer rod since I'm about to order something from the dealer already.

By the way, would my engine be healthier if I used a K&N oil filter? I know these engines don't have much oil pressure down low. I've already got an oem filter from the dealer (and paid too much for it :()

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by norm92de on 05/05/16 at 08:57:24

The clutch needs a shorter rod when wear takes place because as the clutch plates wear they get thinner which makes the pushrod relatively longer.

Suzuki makes 3 sizes of push rod to take up wear on the clutch plates. The stock rod is the longest I believe.

If you have a defective push rod that has worn down for some reason you may need a longer rod but normally the wear on the plates is the most significant factor.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/16 at 09:11:52

Needing a shorter rod? Grinder...

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by norm92de on 05/05/16 at 09:30:10

Right on, Jog. Unless it is case hardened, I don't know if it is or not.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/16 at 10:32:27

Sand grinder marks off, heat it up, drop it in some oil or water,, I think as long as you don't goober up the end you can see, it'll be awwrite. Someone around here has done a DIY rod. I think they used a drill bit.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by verslagen1 on 05/05/16 at 11:26:22

584741465B5C6D5D6D55474B00320 wrote:

Someone around here has done a DIY rod. I think they used a drill bit.

Don't use a Drill bit.
There's a particular pin you can use, but I've forgotten the name.

Just buy the goot darned pins from the oem.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by norm92de on 05/05/16 at 12:59:12

Were talking pennies here.

Versy has it right.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/16 at 13:21:01

Yeah, some stuff just ain't worth doing yourself.

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by norm92de on 05/05/16 at 13:24:21

JOG,
With genuine Zuki part you are sure it is going to be good. :)

Title: Re: Clutch videos
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/16 at 14:21:01

Was there Ever a doubt?