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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover help /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1461544254 Message started by Graven754 on 04/24/16 at 17:30:52 |
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Title: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover help Post by Graven754 on 04/24/16 at 17:30:52 So We ended up tearing up the cable for my automatic decompressor. How important is this cable? It's nnot snapped in half just unraveled a little. I could possibly solder if back together and it hold but not sure how that will affect performance. Also we can't get this crank case inspection plug off. Any pointers? |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by Graven754 on 04/24/16 at 17:31:52 This is the decompressor assembly. I'm not near my bike right now but this a picture before the cable go broke. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/24/16 at 18:09:06 I ran a bolt through a coupla fat washers, hit the grinder, shaping them to fit the radius,and hit it with some Real penetrating oil, not WD 40, and got it out. Use antisieze going back together. Crud accumulates around the spark plug. Clean out before removing it. Antisieze on the plug. It's good stuff. Steel bolts in aluminum, just a dab helps a lot. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by Graven754 on 04/24/16 at 18:24:34 445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:
Do you have a picture of what you threw together in order to get it off? that would be so helpful. If you don't have it, maybe a drawing. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by engineer on 04/24/16 at 18:32:51 I found a metal backing plate for an old brake pad that was a perfect thickness for the slot on the plug and like JOG shaped it with a bench grinder to make a tool for plug removal. Quote:
Well the cable is important in that it operates the decompressor. The picture doesn't show how badly it is damaged but if it is still functioning and the strands are still intact and not too badly frayed then it will probably continue to operate for some time. However, I like to correct my mistakes so I would probably replace the cable. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cove Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/24/16 at 18:40:00 I sold the bike and the parts and special tools went with it. I'm not an artist. Two washers, or one really thick one, that fit nicely in the slot. A bolt, two nuts. If you need to, use more washers, and, once you have it fitting, solder it up. Or, wait, see if you need to solder it. Like plywood, layers of metal, joined by glue,are stronger than the sum of the parts. A propane torch or Mapp gas torch will get it. Before you solder, grind the washers to fit in the slot, if you grab the right diameter, you won't have to grind. So, put a nut and small washer, ( yes, I am adding stuff I just remembered ) on the bolt, put the washers on that will fit in the slot, and another small washer, and another nut. Tighten up. Holding the tool firmly in the slot with some torque on it, tapping with a small hammer can be good. I didn't solder. The bolt was about four inches. It wasn't very stuck. We have seen some jammed so badly that they were destroyed getting them out. A replacement with a Phat allen wrench drive is available. Watch the edges and try not to booger them up. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cove Post by verslagen1 on 04/24/16 at 19:56:17 Here's a thread on the timing cover tool... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1232437043 Key to getting the job done is finding a piece on metal that fits in the slot tightly. A hard piece is best, but if you turn it with a good sized crescent wrench held tight to the case, even a soft piece will do. In a pinch the seat support on the back end of the tank will do. but you might have to straighten it afterwards. take a plastic hammer and give the port a good smack. this won't make it any easier, but may break loose any corrosion locking the cover to the case. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by verslagen1 on 04/24/16 at 20:03:45 You can start the bike without the decompressor, but it might stall. when it does stall, you have to bump the engine over the compression stroke. 2nd or higher and bump forward. if you have an pre 95, going backward can break starter teeth or worse. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by Kris01 on 04/24/16 at 20:08:56 You can replace the stock cover with one from a Marauder that uses a large Allen wrench to loosen it. It's easier to use than a slot. ;) |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cove Post by DesertRat on 04/24/16 at 21:32:17 7E475C460504350 wrote:
Which Marauder? Year? Model? the 2004 VZ800 Marauder microfiche show a SLOTTED cover ... |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by Dave on 04/25/16 at 04:03:36 You want chrome.....or painted? http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1416070003 |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/16 at 05:15:22 You don't get that good a service at Whataburger. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by Kris01 on 04/25/16 at 19:51:43 You crack me up JOG! ;D |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 05:29:45 Yeah, I amaze myself. I am a study in conflict. I'm either making them laugh or making them mad. But, seriously, it's Free, and people just fall all over themselves trying to Help others. I just enjoy this place. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by jrobeson18 on 04/26/16 at 08:37:09 haha, so true. this place is nice. wish there were people who have done write ups for certain things for the inexperienced and scared. (me). JOG2- you are funny, lol |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by DesertRat on 04/26/16 at 08:45:42 jrobeson18 - what write-ups do you need? what write-ups do you want? I'm almost down with the semester and finals are around the 9th of May, so I will be doing some wrenching after and I can document the process in a builders log ... provided it is something that's screwed up on my ride ... ain't gonna fix what ain't broke ... |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 08:59:44 My friends just call me Jog. Seriously, you weigh 100 pounds? That bike otta Scat when you drop the hammer leaving a stop. And, nobody who weighs 100 pounds is gonna catch much air. It otta do well reaching for the top end. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cove Post by jrobeson18 on 04/26/16 at 09:19:33 Yeah seriously 100lbs. Give or take 3-5lbs, granted in only 19 years old. And 5'3" tall. The 650 gets up with me on it. And as far as writeups id about to the the cam chain install. But wheel alignment, stator replacement. As well as anything internal. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cove Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 09:50:47 Well, heck,at 19 I might not have weighed that. At 21 I had a 24" waist and bought clothes in the boys department. Weighed about 110, not exactly a big dude.. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cove Post by jrobeson18 on 04/26/16 at 10:29:41 Right there with you, every step. Lol. Also another write up/ question. Since I pulled the right side cover I have found 2 springs under the bike. Dont know where they came from. Or what they go to. But they look like they go to the bike.. Not sure if ita part of the clutch side cover arm or what. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by DesertRat on 04/26/16 at 11:05:05 cam chain install write-up is HERE: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1191167029 Verlagen has performed miracles already ... tons more of the write-ups are HERE: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1181745927 NOW GET WRENCHING ... 8-) |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 11:09:31 Kinda late for this, maybe it will help someone else. Disassembly is crucial to winning. An organized approach is important. Clean up the work area, step one. That way, any parts that fall don't have camouflage to hide behind. And, anything on the floor hadda come outta the , well, whatever you are working on. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cove Post by DesertRat on 04/26/16 at 11:15:25 Justin has that right ... CLEAN the work area 1st ... PREP the work area; towels for laying out parts, cleaning, soaking up blood, etc... ;) ORGANIZE everything as you remove everything ... REPLACE nuts/bolts/washer/clips to removed parts if possible, or keep them in a cup/bowl with the parts* * I reuse salsa/butter and ice cream containers for this; place a piece of masking tape on the lid and write what there for ... sounds tedious, but my $#it goes back together fast as F#@k ... and I can go riding that much faster ... work like a surgeon ... :) |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by jrobeson18 on 04/26/16 at 11:16:55 715046504741675441350 wrote:
Why is I cant ever find these... Lol and I swept the floor and got it cleaned before disassembly. I just cant figure out where they can from in the casing. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 11:31:52 sounds tedious, but my $#it goes back together fast as F#@k ... and I can go riding that much faster ... No need to add to the difficulty of a job by making putting it back together some kinda puzzle. Why is I cant ever find these... Lol and I swept the floor and got it cleaned before disassembly. I just cant figure out where they can from in the casing. Does one spring fit inside the other? Are both springs made of more than one wire? Two yeses = they go inside the tensioner. Were its guts spat out? If so,you're the second or third in ten years who didn't lose the motor. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by jrobeson18 on 04/26/16 at 15:53:17 Oh, well I feel lucky to be alive now. Yeah gut n everything was out.tensioner plunger had a nice hole it in, scrap now Feel stupid for listening to the PO about it being normal, chain slap sound. But ever since I been here I now know better |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 17:49:41 You're lucky. Very lucky. More luck per pound than most of the luckiest people I've ever met. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by jrobeson18 on 04/26/16 at 19:33:13 I'm light, short, and luck... Somebody find me some green clothes and a pot o gold. I must be a leprechaun |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 20:31:13 tensioner plunger had a nice hole it in, scrap now Well, the piece that covered that hole might ottsta get found. |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by jrobeson18 on 04/27/16 at 04:36:31 It was grinded down by the clutch basket. Which is just damaged but not compromised. All the aluminum fragments came from that. I haven't found any steel, strained to oil 3+ times. And started cleaning out the inner caseing. It looks like the chain was pinched and snapped that way, I believe it because I have yet to find any magnetic fragments. Will keep flushing and keep updates. |
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Title: Decompression Solenoid Post by Graven754 on 05/03/16 at 10:30:09 Si the cable for my decompression solenoid got frayed doing my last repair job (long story XD) I have a new one i bought used off on an old savage that's in good shape, but have no idea how to replace it. Not home yet to take a look at it in person, just not familiar with the process and interested in what advice you guys can give me. Thanks! :) |
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Title: Re: decompressor assembly& crank inspect. cover he Post by Dave on 05/03/16 at 11:36:05 I don't think replacement is any big deal. You take the tank off, then replace the cable. Make sure the there is enough slack in the cable to allow the lever to return to the lowest position......so the release isn't touching the rocker arm when the bike is running. When you rotate the lever up with your finger you will feel when the slack is gone and the release begins to touch the rocker arm inside the head cover (unless the engine has stopped in a position where the cam is holding the exhaust valve open....exhaust stroke). |
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