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Title: More starting issues Post by wakosama on 04/14/16 at 07:20:30 Haven't responded... I hate wrenching... because it means I have time... because I am out of work, with no income and many of you know about that... :-/ So now I'm wrenching because I'm laid off and we now NEED the bike to work... and it sat for 11 days of rain, and many of you also know about that... :-/ SITUATION: 1. New battery less than 3mo ago... Big Crank AGM worked fine until tried last nite... on charger all night... reads 12.68 to 12.70 constant. 2. Key on, all lights operate, out of gear, neutral light on, cut-off switched disengaged, kick stand up.... 3. I push the starter.... headlight and front signals go out; brake light remains on... flashers will operate.... 4. Starter WON'T make a noise.... 5. again = when I push the starter the headlight and front signals go off and no starter. Please explain.? Frustrated Tom again... |
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Title: Re: More starting issues Post by stewmills on 04/14/16 at 07:57:33 I am sure the smart people will chime in soon, but have you tried gently tapping on the starter (don't beat it and dent it all up) to make sure it isn't lightly bound up inside? Also, are you hearing any sound such as a relay or solenoid "click" when you hit the button? And...have you tried jumping the starter from a car battery (CAR NOT RUNNING or it will give too much juice and do bad things to your system) to make certain the starter is good? If that spins the starter, then you may have a relay/solenoid issue which could simply be a loose connector or something really easy. |
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Title: Re: More starting issues Post by verslagen1 on 04/14/16 at 08:03:10 Here's a link to your previous thread... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1442685324 if you have a voltmeter, check the voltage. you should jump it to get it running and check the voltage again. then rev it up and see if the charging voltage picks up. there are a lot of ways this could go. electrical, mechanical or battery. 1st off it sounds like you got a short somewhere, just enough to drain the battery over an extended period. letting your bat sit dead is not a good thing... it's a bat, not frankenstein. I would chase down the other problems, then worry about the bat. |
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Title: Re: More starting issues Post by badwolf on 04/14/16 at 08:08:51 Double check the handlebar kill switch. I hate to admit spending 8 hours trouble shooting, head scratching, and disassembling the handlebar controls, only to find I had bumped the kill switch. |
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Title: Re: More starting issues Post by jrobeson18 on 04/14/16 at 09:42:40 2E2C3F213F3D252C243F4D0 wrote:
Sorry for laughing, I really thought you were going to say that you over looked a bad switch... But don't be ashamed, I've done the same... And even neglected to check it again after realizing no turn over... |
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Title: Re: More starting issues Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/14/16 at 15:00:52 If you don't have cables or a car to jump it off from, clean out around the spark plug, and try just spinning it over. No luck? Fifth gear, push it. Prove it WILL turn over, manually. Magnets in the starter Will break. Smack with care. Year model, miles. Modifications, last work you've done. Maybe I should remember all this, I don't, and it's important. Sounds like a bad battery to me. But, without a volt meter, or test light, you can't know what the battery is doing under load. You say you have lights before the start button is pushed. Hit the horn instead. See what it does. Are the lights as bright as they should be? Battery tests are free. Wal-Mart has the most sophisticated charge/tester I've seen. |
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Title: Re: More starting issues Post by Kris01 on 04/14/16 at 17:54:24 The lights SHOULD go out when you push the starter. It gives the battery more juice to run the starter. Sounds like a dead (or dying) battery to me too. |
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Title: Re: More starting issues Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/14/16 at 18:48:49 Depends on the year model. |
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Title: Re: More starting issues Post by Kris01 on 04/14/16 at 19:01:14 True. The older ones didn't do that. |
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Title: Re: More starting issues Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/14/16 at 19:47:40 What's the voltage across the battery when you hit start? Put a lead on the hot wire to the battery. See IF you're getting power to it. Or, get a battery and cables and make the starter go. We aren't There. More questions without doing what is suggested won't get it going. The ground, near the clutch actuator lever, may be dirty. Connections will allow the volt meter to show good voltage, but not carry enough current. After you hit the start button, feel for hot connections. Hot equals resistance. Year model, mileage, what work have you done on it recently? The battery is three months old. And it's been run down. I'd pull it out, get jumper cables and get the bike NOT on compression and hook it straight up to the starter. Could be the solenoid, battery, decompression timer, bad connection, starter, So, eliminate the battery and starter. |
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Title: Re: More starting issues Post by chzeckmate on 04/15/16 at 01:48:25 wakosama, I live close to you. Would you like me to come and take a look at it for you? |
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Title: Re: More starting issues Post by wakosama on 04/16/16 at 11:25:57 Thank you very much for the guidance... Seems I have much to do and check. LATEST WORK DONE: I installed new bars. The controls were moved, removed, shaken, twisted, etc. SO = After jumping it from a car battery to check stuff, I will start looking for the short. I will start with the right controls, the starter button side. After I rearrange the garage to have space to safely brace the bike and take things apart... and advise as I progress. "chzeckmate": thank you. I'd like to meet another tribe member and see a setup savage regardless if you can show me how to fix mine. I'll PM... Tom |
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Title: Re: More starting issues Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/16/16 at 16:11:19 A Sho r t? Why would you think you have a short? Blowing fuses? You don't like wrenching, but if you want to ride, you're gonna. The only other option is to spend more money on a mechanic than the bike is worth. You have the benefit of the accumulated knowledge of passionate owners, all come together here. The people here are truly expert in areas. Some are real hot shots on the carb. The dealership mechanics are not excited about this model. Once you get it sorted out, it's a dependable machine. The appeal of the bike takes a while to explain, but there is only one that I would consider as it's equal, the Kawasaki W-650. That's just me. I don't like heavy bikes. YMMV. Part of riding is tinkering. Like horses, you gotta handle them, not just ride. Some bikes, more tinkering, some less. I can see your tool collection growing... |
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Title: Re: More starting issues Post by chzeckmate on 04/16/16 at 19:31:43 6E7872766A787478190 wrote:
Happy to help. I'll give you a call tomorrow and we can make arrangements. I don't have my Savage anymore but I'm always ready to lend a hand. These bikes are pretty simple. I'm sure we'll get you sorted out in no time. |
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