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Title: Respect......or? Post by raydawg on 04/03/16 at 07:02:17 Man, this has some serious implications, I am conflicted in what to think. I have a good friend who is working a temporary assignment in part of the world where women are required to wear head scarves. His wife is with him, and she does in fact wear them when they go out. Air France stewardesses furious over order to wear headscarves on Tehran flights Air France stewardesses have caused an uproar over new uniform rules that will require them to wear headscarves on flights from Paris to Tehran when the airline resumes services there later this month. Female flight crew members have been told to cover their hair once they disembark for the Iranian capital, the UK Daily Telegraph reported Saturday. Unions are urging the airline that those flights should be made voluntary for women. Flights between Paris and Tehran will happen three times per week starting April 17. The resumption comes after an eight-year break, stemming from the completion of the Iran nuclear deal. Iranian women have been forced to cover their hair or face fines since the Islamic revolution in 1979. The Telegraph notes that public signs of religion have been “frowned upon” in France since the country enacted a law separating church and state in 1905. “It is not our role to pass judgment on the wearing of headscarves or veils in Iran. What we are denouncing is that it is being made compulsory,” UNAC flight crews’ union chief Flore Arrighi told The Telegraph. “Stewardesses must be given the right to refuse these flights.” Air France brushed off the uproar, saying that other airline staff members were obliged to comply with Iranian rules. The airline sees Tehran flights as an “excellent business development," the newspaper reported. “Tolerance and respect for the customs of the countries we serve are part of the values of our company,” an Air France spokesman said. The airline also noted that French law allows the restriction of some freedoms if “justified by the nature of the task to be accomplished.” Christophe Pillet, the deputy head of the SNPNC flight crews’ union, told the newspaper that the stewardesses were prepared to wear headscarves in Iran when out of uniform, but didn’t want it to become part of the uniform. “Female staff do not wish to have dress regulations imposed on them, especially the obligation to wear an Air France scarf that completely covers their hair as soon as they leave the plane,” he added. Stewardesses normally can choose between wearing a skirt or trousers, but have been instructed to wear a long jacket and trousers specifically for Tehran flights. Wonder how NOW feels about this :o |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/16 at 07:20:57 Wow, I could have fun with that. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by oldNslow on 04/03/16 at 07:24:55 If the French had any self respect left they'd make their flight crews wear hats make of pigskin. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/16 at 07:27:30 The country Allowing the flight to land has the rights. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by DesertRat on 04/03/16 at 07:32:36 follow the F#@k!ng money - Quote:
For the airline and the government, it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with religion. Unless we're talking about worshiping at the alter of capitalism. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/16 at 07:41:05 Of COURSE it's money. You think the airline is just providing transportation for fun? You're coming to my house? You'll follow my rules. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by raydawg on 04/03/16 at 07:42:07 1D3C2A3C2B2D0B382D590 wrote:
I am concerned about the slippery slope, what is next? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/16 at 08:13:11 What do you see as a Further down the slippery slope policy? That the stewardess would need a male escort.? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by Serowbot on 04/03/16 at 08:13:59 If you think about it,... it's probably their concern over "slippery slopes" that makes this an issue. Darn those slippery slopes..... I'm with JOG on this... destination country decides... Next, they'll require Birkenstocks for arrival in San Francisco... Is that slippery or what?... ;D |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/03/16 at 08:17:04 4876777B6975741A0 wrote:
.................................................. And the jews? ::) |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by DesertRat on 04/03/16 at 08:28:41 2A3C2B362E3B362D590 wrote:
LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by DesertRat on 04/03/16 at 08:31:07 2B343235282F1E2E1E26343873410 wrote:
why the GOVERNMENT intervention? It's a free-market airline right? or does the government backhandedly OWN the airlines, as I suspect they do? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by oldNslow on 04/03/16 at 08:41:41 062138273D1E3C2B3D222B374E0 wrote:
.................................................. And the jews? ::) [/quote] i. Jews don't murder people 'cause they eat bacon. 2. Jews don't expect everyone to convert to and abide by the rules of THEIR religion. 3. Jews don't give a flying f'ck what kind of headdresses non Jews wear. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by DesertRat on 04/03/16 at 08:45:12 http://lolindian.com/images/2012/November/5/50979c43a4194.png |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/03/16 at 08:51:27 1D23222E3C20214F0 wrote:
.................................................. And the jews? ::) [/quote] i. Jews don't murder people 'cause they eat bacon. 2. Jews don't expect everyone to convert to and abide by the rules of THEIR religion. 3. Jews don't give a flying f'ck what kind of headdresses non Jews wear. [/quote] ........................................... But let's insult the jews anyway, by deliberately choosing something to offend a religion, since we are in that mood. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/16 at 09:08:03 022335233432142732460 wrote:
why the GOVERNMENT intervention? It's a free-market airline right? or does the government backhandedly OWN the airlines, as I suspect they do?[/quote] Whose COUNTRY is the runway In? Are the crew guests to the country? If a tour bus stops in your driveway,,, think about that. From the Religious Zealots perspective. It's nothing more than property rights. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by DesertRat on 04/03/16 at 09:11:43 and if the stewardesses do not disembark? are they still req'd to wear the burqa? I still fail to see how/why the govmnt should mandate this. Do they OWN the airlines or not? I see a double standard coming ;) http://nnimgt-a.akamaihd.net/transform/v1/crop/frm/storypad-3ZMaZUzN3dKuM6vrzTJmtN/deae8289-7ac0-4da1-bb7b-7261eeafd88d.jpg/r0_0_1920_1079_w1200_h678_fmax.jpg |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/16 at 09:17:22 250412041315330015610 wrote:
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/03/16 at 09:24:44 I think there's several points here. No 'compulsory scarf' unless you get off the plane? No 'compulsory scarf' unless you go through passport control? No 'special uniform' while on Tehran flights? DR:"are they still req'd to wear the burqa?" No mention of that, only head-scarves. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by DesertRat on 04/03/16 at 09:25:41 got it Justin ... ;) govmnt controls everything, including private property and personal liberties and "free" market ... all hail the king ::) Quote:
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/16 at 09:59:44 The Laws of the State apply at the airport Here. Imagine a country where everyone is nude, by law. They send a plane load to your town. You don't think those people should be in compliance with local laws when they come out of the plane? Or, maybe the idea just pisses you off and you simply will not understand because you don't like it. It IS their country. They have laws and customs. You wanna go there, then follow THEIR laws and go with their customs. Or, don't go. There's the free market part. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/03/16 at 10:16:50 332C2A2D30370636063E2C206B590 wrote:
...................................................... Broadly speaking, I think they should be in compliance, of course. At what point do they enter the country? That's not clear. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/16 at 10:28:42 When you are in your car, you're in private property. The PLANE,I suspect, allows them to dress as they please. Seems like a pointless piece of hair splitting, really. The problem is that the women are unhappy about being sent there by the airline and forced to cover up the hair. They have every right to quit that job. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/03/16 at 10:38:55 312E282F32350434043C2E22695B0 wrote:
.............................................. Read the article again, about changes to the uniform (NOT head-wear). It's not splitting hairs at all, you misunderstand: Fly from London to Australia, do you actually 'enter the country' in the United Arab Emirates, or India, for example? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/16 at 10:47:55 Im pretty sure they can put the clothes on onboard. I'm not an international law expert. What are you so upset about? Do you not grasp the authority of the country being entered? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by raydawg on 04/03/16 at 10:50:33 I'll wait till NOW weighs in..... As I am a man and have no say in what she does with her body, remember [ch128523] |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by raydawg on 04/03/16 at 10:56:12 Glad this isn't about Chick-fil-A..... I remember some folk causing a stink about that, don't you? Double standard, capitalism, whites only, girls night, etc.... Golly, I can't get my feet planted ;D |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/03/16 at 11:14:26 37282E2934330232023A28246F5D0 wrote:
......................................................... If you don't go through passport control then you are not entering the country. Think "Embassy" and "foreign soil", or "International waters". It's not clear to me if 'disembark' means 'enter a country' or not. Whether you have a stamp in your passport, a visa, etc.... Whether a cup of coffee in the private office in the departure lounge before starting her shift again, an hour later, to fly back to France or is it an overnight stay in a hotel (inside the country)?..... Two different scenarios..... Right, I'm off to find a picture of the 'virgin Mary' where she's not wearing a head-scarf.... |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by DesertRat on 04/03/16 at 11:24:43 Justin, Yes I can wrap my head around "when in Rome", birds of a feather, etc ... what pisses me off is the govmnt intervening, UNLESS they OWN the airlines, they have no f#@kinG say so whatsoever, right ??? no mention of these ladies going out for a "night on the town after work" in said muslim controlled country, nor leaving the airport or any other such travel. They do however state these gals are being FORCED to comply with the strict muslim clothing laws WHILE on duty onboard the airplane. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/16 at 11:26:59 I'm done. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/03/16 at 11:35:58 The girls are happy to wear a scarf if they are out of uniform, 'in public' as it were. Justin, putting the clothes on board or wearing them? You read the article, yes? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/16 at 12:01:31 I'm done. Dead horse, you can beat it as long as you wish. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by cheapnewb24 on 04/03/16 at 12:07:41 Here's something interesting to ask: By Iranian law, does a woman have the right not to wear headgear while on private property? If so, then the whole thing is probably just an attempt to please Iran, or perhaps a technical strategy at most. If not, then they must wear the headgear even while on the plane. My guess is that, at the most, the women should have the scarf on by the time they cross over the border. At the least, they should have it on by the time the plane is comes parks. With that being said, I would assume that every woman on the stinkin' plane would have to don headwear or face getting into trouble. ::) Furthermore, if one must wear the headdress while on private property, then there must either be an exception for one's own home or.... uhhh.... Houston, we have a problem. :-? Just imagine... ;D Kinda funny when you have to take a shower wearing a big black suit. ;D That doesn't count the unhappy husbands. ;D Riots in the streets! Well... just a scarf wouldn't be quite as bad... Oh... wait... Just a scarf and nothing else?!? Wow! They sure have some weird customs over there. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by DesertRat on 04/03/16 at 12:07:44 you forgot your mike drop ... ;) http://https://m.popkey.co/a071fa/3RLvb.gif |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by cheapnewb24 on 04/03/16 at 12:14:44 78594F594E486E5D483C0 wrote:
:-? Sorry, I don't take hints well. ??? Oh, wait... You're talking to Justin, right? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by DesertRat on 04/03/16 at 12:16:20 that was for Justin ... he tapped out ... |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by WebsterMark on 04/03/16 at 19:55:15 495F48554D58554E3A0 wrote:
That was freaking funny. No LOL, I literally laughed out loud. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by Paraquat on 04/04/16 at 06:12:26 635D5C50425E5F310 wrote:
Just as an aside, my father remarried and at the wedding the father in law approached my uncle and grandfather and asked "Out of respect for my religion, would you each wear a yarmulke?" To which my uncle replied "Out of respect for mine, NO!" He still tells the tale as if it were some kind of victory. The rest of this article is bull sheet. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by WebsterMark on 04/04/16 at 08:23:39 3523342931242932460 wrote:
Okay, so destination country decides and the airlines in order to do what they do, which is fly people for money, make their female employees wear head covers and everybody says 'hey, no big deal, it's their custom and it's essentially harmless, so we'll do it' So a few months later, after seeing some of these head covered female flight attendants and pilots in their airports, they say ‘you know what? We’d like skirts to be at least 4” below the knee and make sure tops are buttoned all the way up. It’s no big deal, it’s our custom.’ So you and the airlines say, ‘okay, this is essentially harmless so we’ll ask out females to comply. Afterall, destination country decides....' So, few more months, they say no makeup. Finally, they say no females at all. What do you do then? So you give in yet again and the next request is to make sure no gay pilots or flight attendants. (Good luck finding more than a handful of male flight attendants who aren’t gay!) How’s that slippery slope working out for you now? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/04/16 at 08:50:24 "How’s that slippery slope working out for you now?" ............................................... How many times are you planning to fly to Tehran? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by WebsterMark on 04/04/16 at 10:02:45 None. Why would I? But that's not really the point, is it? Doesn't sound like a big deal to make women wear covers on their head and it rolls off you liberals like water off a duck. However, a conservative even thinks about something that can remotely be linked to discrimination and you want his head on a stick. All cultures are not equal and deserving of respect. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/04/16 at 10:13:24 I don't want them to be made to wear a scarf as part of their uniform, let's get that clear. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by WebsterMark on 04/04/16 at 10:20:58 so what's your point? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/04/16 at 10:27:14 That is my point. That is what the thread is about. PS. No ducks, no water. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by cl492 on 04/04/16 at 10:43:41 In the airline's defense, this is a customer service job. You're supposed to kiss your clientele's ass, not rock the boat, and take their money. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by Paraquat on 04/04/16 at 11:08:53 Why does it feel like society keeps moving backwards with stupid sheet like this? Like these ignorant savages are stuck in the dark ages. And yes. That is an attack, not just on their religion, but all religion. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by WebsterMark on 04/05/16 at 06:08:27 7F7028252E1C0 wrote:
The phrase " the customer is always right" is ridiculous.. The correct phrase is "the customer deserves to be heard, but that doesn't make them right" Iran deserves to be listened to, but it needs to be told no. OfCourse, The airlines probably won't. They'll make their women wear head covers like golf clubs in a bag. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/05/16 at 09:30:31 "like golf clubs in a bag." Or like that middle-eastern woman, the 'virgin' Mary. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by WebsterMark on 04/05/16 at 11:01:02 last time I checked, Mary didn't strap on TNT around herself or her baby, walk in to a crowd and detonate. if you want to bait me, you're going to have to work a little harder. I get it, you hate Christianity with a burning and unreasonable passion. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/05/16 at 11:21:44 4D7F78696E7F68577B68711A0 wrote:
.................................................................. I don't think Air France stewardesses strap on TNT, either, last time I checked. I don't hate Christianity. I like to balance things up, for perspective. I'm just pointing out (in a thread about women/head scarves/Middle East) that the Christians have their own (Iron-Age) woman with a headscarf that they see as holy. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by WebsterMark on 04/05/16 at 11:51:59 Let's be a little honest with ourselves Hovis..... The point of this thread is not about headscarves, but about forcing woman to submit to the demands of a Muslim dominated government in a backwards and violent nation. My point was this would not stop at headscarves. And of course you hate Christianity, stop offering up a lame defense. You are not providing balance, there is no balance or moral equivalency between modern day Islamic terrorist and, what did you call it, Iron-Age.... Now, you're going to want to write up a bunch of obscure and inflated 'facts' about the Crusades, about wars in the past, about the heavy hand of Israel, about the Christian-nation The USA and all their evils, but save your fingers because no amount of bull$hit you heap down on this forum can change the fact that Islam is being taken over by fascist bent on destroying and remaking the civilized world in a manner not seen since WWII. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/16 at 12:27:02 Okay, Hov, muh man,, you've found something that is current or ancient? How is what Christians did 2,000 years ago relevant to Now, unless you are using it to demonstrate that Christians don't demand such and Christians don't murder their own daughters should they be raped? Old Testament? You're wanting to drag that into a Right Now, it's Really happening, thing? When was the last time you heard about a group of Christians throwing a queer off the roof? Your great grampa kicked my great grampa in the nads, so, now you gonna die? How do people cheat and then run off, cheering and celebrating the Great Victory? Yeah, you can Call it Perspective, but it's not. It's a screwed up attempt at justifying bad behavior. Like the never ending partisan blame game. A bub or dem gets caught doing something wrong and the Zero Character, Zero Honesty crowd try to make it Not wrong, because someone from the other party did something just as bad or worse, just minutes before. Everyone needs to Quit believing that the Other guy being a criminal makes Their criminal Not a criminal. If you're in a line of ten cars, everyone doing twenty miles per hour over the limit and the cop only gets you, what then? Answer that, Anyone who says That's not Fair Is a gutless pansy. They didn't get in trouble! Well, Boo Hoo,, Were YOU speeding? Yep, sit down, shut up, and take the ticket. You Earned it. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/05/16 at 13:38:33 714344555243546B47544D260 wrote:
........................................................ Firstly, Mark: 1) You are wrong if you think I hate Christianity. I respect the spirituality, and was truly 'moved' when I went out of my way to visit the place where the "crucifiction" (!) was said to have taken place. 2) I agree "that Islam is being taken over by fascist(s) bent on destroying and remaking the civilized world in a manner not seen since WWII." I might question the word 'civilized', though. 3) I don't need to refer to the crusades, as crusades are taking place today. I think that is the point. "The West" goes into a foreign land, kills muslim natives, gets access to mineral resources. Even better, the West creates a divide in the region and sells arms to both parties. It lets them sort it out for themselves, ie kill each other. If this doesn't work, they'll get a taste of "Freedom" with 'boots on the ground'. That's the only crusade I'll mention because that is the way many muslims see it, and so 'react' to it. Many muslims seem to believe that they are fighting-back rather than being the aggressors. Look at it from a newly-landed Martian's perspective for a moment...Mork, reporting back to Orson.....seriously. PS. Justin, I'll reply to you in a different post, shortly ;) |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by WebsterMark on 04/05/16 at 14:07:25 "The West" goes into a foreign land, kills muslim natives, gets access to mineral resources. Even better, the West creates a divide in the region and sells arms to both parties. It lets them sort it out for themselves, ie kill each other. If this doesn't work, they'll get a taste of "Freedom" with 'boots on the ground'. That's the only crusade I'll mention because that is the way many muslims see it, and so 'react' to it. Many muslims seem to believe that they are fighting-back rather than being the aggressors. ....and here is the crux of the matter. You think Islamic terrorist are justified in their actions because your moral compass is totally screwed up. Anyone who says the West "goes into a foreign land, kills muslim natives, gets access to mineral resources" is demonstratively both wrong and incapable of perspective. Where are all these 'mineral resources' by the way? What land did 'we go into'? Kuwait? You mean the country that was being invaded and asked us? (and invaded in the correct definition of the word which is to say invade with the intention of taking over permanently) Muslims who think they are "fighting back" are wrong. They are like the Palestinians who blame everything on Israel and the Jews. Which, I'm sure you agree with them on. The Palestinians remind me of the Black Lives Matters crowd who've selected police as the red herring of their choice. If both groups want to blame the responsible party for their plight, they need only look in the mirror. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/05/16 at 16:47:23 "You think Islamic terrorist are justified in their actions because your moral compass is totally screwed up." Where did I say that I think they are justified? In my opinion, no terrorism is justified. All I did was point out the root causes and offer my opinion as perhaps the way muslims may see things, or perhaps a 'neutral' such as an alien might see it. ............................. Quote "....demonstratively both wrong and incapable of perspective"? Demonstrate away, I'd welcome that, Mark. As for Palestianians? Please expand in a new thread. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/16 at 17:19:59 6C5E59484F5E49765A49503B0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by Art Webb on 04/06/16 at 09:02:21 I really don't want to go back and re read the first post, but isn't it Air France (the employer) rather than the French Government requiring women to wear scarves into the country? How does that translate into the French (et all) forcing women to wear scarves? And aren't men who enter Iran required to respect the customs, too? I bet they are So women get a bye on that? Why? because girl thingy? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/06/16 at 09:15:55 "The bill also penalises, with a fine of €30,000 and one year in prison, anyone who forces (by violence, threats, or abuse of power) another to wear face coverings; these penalties may be doubled if the victim is under the age of 18." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ban_on_face_covering Scarves are a different matter, they don't cover the face at all. It is the 'compulsory' part of France Air's proposal that the union is protesting against. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by Serowbot on 04/06/16 at 09:16:06 When in Rome... ...if you are invited to dinner, you follow the customs of your host. If they remove their shoes to enter the house, it's polite to do the same. If they bow their heads for grace, so do you. If you work in a law office,... you don't wear shorts and t-shirt. There are rules of decorum for all situations. When the stewardesses arrive in Iran, they are guests of Iran. All guests should respect their hosts. What's all the kerfuffle about?... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/06/16 at 13:57:52 What's all the kerfuffle about? It's about Should... as in, A Guest at my table may be rude, and the Penalty is Maybe not invited back. The point is Not Should It's You Will Or else. And, the point remains. Doesn't matter if YOU are a cop and carry 24/7,, you cross into Mexico, you're going to jail. They have Laws, not simple Preferences. The women Can quit or comply. It's just that simple. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by WebsterMark on 04/06/16 at 15:02:08 When in Rome... ...if you are invited to dinner, you follow the customs of your host. If they remove their shoes to enter the house, it's polite to do the same. If they bow their heads for grace, so do you. If you work in a law office,... you don't wear shorts and t-shirt. There are rules of decorum for all situations. When the stewardesses arrive in Iran, they are guests of Iran. All guests should respect their hosts. What's all the kerfuffle about?... Undecided it's that darn slippery slope kerfuffle..... |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/06/16 at 19:22:13 What is the slippery slope? What's the Next Step? I've seen people state that this is just the beginning, it's a slippery slope... but nobody has explained what it descends into. That country demands women be covered. Agree or don't go. What's the big deal? Seriously xxx, stop Ranting and EXPLAIN why there is something to complain about.. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by WebsterMark on 04/06/16 at 19:33:08 Who me? The results of not recognizing the difference between cultural norms that are harmless and even educational and those that degrade the succesful and superior culture has lead us to where we are today. Fill in your own blanks on that one..... |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by Serowbot on 04/06/16 at 22:34:02 It is ironic, that it is Conservatives with their knickers in a bunch over this... Progress,.. is forward movement. ...and time only moves forward. If Conservative ideologies ever win, it is only temporary. Holding back the tide of forward progress. This holds true of repressive Christian, and Muslim cultures. Slavery, segregation, inter-racial marriage, suffrage, prohibition, War on Drugs, legalization of marijuana, gay marriage, ... all repressive, and all fading away. Through Liberalism... Progressiveism,.. forward thought... There was a time in America, where beaches were policed by men with tape measures to be sure women's bathing suits covered all the unacceptable bits... Time only moves forward... for Muslims as well as Christians. Even for Atheists... Progress moves forward... and Conservatives keep pushing the rock uphill... ... and the irony is,... Muslims are better at pushing that rock. ;D... Instead of fearing their repression,... you should see your own in it's reflection. Instead of wishing for an America like it used to be,.. wish for one like it should be. It will come... with you or without you... When, exactly, was this this time when America was great?... When we make make it great again,... how far back do we go?... Give me a date... :-? Lets see how close to a radical Muslim you are... :-? Specify a DATE!... exactly when was America great?... What amount regression does it require?... How much like a fanatical Muslim are you?... This is rhetorical... I don't expect anything but snarky replies... ... but, don't you see that your complaint is only one of degree?... Muslim repression is only an amplified reflection of repression in general... Progress will happen... in spite of efforts to repress. Progress comes from exposure... Middle Eastern exposure to Western ideology will move them forward... it won't move us back... It never does... Time only moves forward... |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by DesertRat on 04/07/16 at 00:52:38 this topic needs more cowbell http://https://tonyhaletest.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/walken-morecowbell.gif http://https://media.giphy.com/media/CMtBKBCUL2tvG/giphy.gif |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by raydawg on 04/07/16 at 04:31:33 Man will never be great, that nirvana does not exsist, no matter who is stumping the message.... Perception is reality, and some think factual, and lack the capacity to even see it is themselves, standing in the forest...... The irony is self is lost, yet the reality of delusion remains. My question in its original text was simple, and yet you see how we try with all our might to fit a square peg into a round hole.... Which is the answer perhaps as to why man has never been great, his ego too frail, and his needs, unquenchable.... |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by raydawg on 04/07/16 at 04:52:12 A question for you bot :) Is the bill of rights,and the constitutions, rocks? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by raydawg on 04/07/16 at 05:16:53 BTW, I gave your question a go, without all the sub-conscious reasoning..... Time was great when my folks could walk me into our doctors office and pay for it out of their pocket, or if needed, he came to our house, WHICH, BTW, were very affordable, with stable neighborhoods, for working middle class families.... You could also go to a locally owned market, but your meat cut as you want from a butcher, or produce, that was not altered with progressive chemicals to make it better :o My neighbors, parents, could reprimand me, or any of us misbehaving kids without threat of lawsuit.... You didn't have to lock your front door, or put bars over the windows.... I was held accountable, not told I was a victim . I could buy candy for a penny ;D |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by WebsterMark on 04/07/16 at 06:54:11 Sew’s response is why the world needs both liberals and conservatives. Liberals are children, always pushing in this direction or that direction and thinking any movement is preferable to staying still or, God forbid, taking a step back. And we need that. We need to confront ourselves to make sure we’re not turning in to that old guys that yells “hey you kids….get off my lawn!” But the reality is, it’s easy to be a child. You’re protected by others so you rarely feel the ramifications of your actions. Read GE response to Bernie Sanders comment that "GE is ruining the fabric of America". Typical child like comments. On those rare occasions when both children and liberals actually do feel the pain they caused, it simply becomes a matter of blaming the adults for screwing up the adventure they had in mind when they just took off without thinking in the first place. Like kids they break free of Mommy's hand and run off in a parking lot. It's not their fault they got hit by the car, it's the driver who wasn't looking, it's his fault. If Bernie got his way and decimated GE, the thousands of unemployed moving into poverty now would be "Bush's fault'. Being an adult is hard. Being a conservative in this country with a child President, a media of children and an entertainment culture run by toddlers is especially hard. Someone has to say no. Someone has to think ahead. Someone has to protect what we have and balance the risk when presented with an idea to move forward. This wonderful little city of Tehran in the wonderful little misunderstood nation of Iran that you think I’m being a meanie too will hang homosexuals. They’ll flog, hang or stone, mostly women but occasionally men, to death for adultery. Half of Hollywood would be swinging from trees over there. Given the chance, they'd kill you. So, my answer as an adult to you, a child is “NO. You’re not covering your head. Cross over to the other side of the street honey; these are bad people.” darn, that feels good! Saving another child. It’s hard to be a conservative but it feels good. Hmmm….. Remember that song from Office Space; “It feels good to be a Gangster”. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hard+to+be+a+ganster+uncesor&&view=detail&mid=700DF1E894B1A1468AE2700DF1E894B1A1468AE2&FORM=VRDGAR Should write new lyrics to that. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by HovisPresley on 04/07/16 at 07:41:43 Mark, let's take the 'conservative' KKK. They would be the adults in your theory, yes? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by Serowbot on 04/07/16 at 07:47:50 My mind may be young,.. but these bones are gettin' a bit creaky... :-/ ;D |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by raydawg on 04/07/16 at 08:04:21 062138273D1E3C2B3D222B374E0 wrote:
Huh? How did you arrive there? Never mind, I don't want to start a civil war argument again. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by WebsterMark on 04/07/16 at 08:14:35 Mark, let's take the 'conservative' KKK. They would be the adults in your theory, yes? Do you see the KKK with any influence now? No. They've been discredited. The only influence they have is what's made up by the liberal media trying to make them out to be more than they are. The media reporting the KKK were going to show up and protest in Ferguson was completely silly, yet there you had a bunch of people up in arms thinking (Republican) KKK'ers were about to drive pickup trucks through the hood! Typical. Again, children running the media. by the way, the KKK in it's heyday was the Democrats creation in order to force blacks to vote how they wanted. it wasn't all that long ago the Democratic party had a Senate leader who was pretty high up in the KKK yet somehow, people like you, are brainwashed into thinking they were a Republican creation. And, I'm not saying adults are perfect, we're not. Parents make mistakes sometimes. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/08/16 at 08:37:35 Bot, I'm as conservative as anyone can be. I don't see why this is a big deal. People who Go to places where they have different societal rules but don't want to follow the rules? Or, are they expecting a Rules Waiver from the zealots who believe in Old Testament era rules? The daggum lefties need to get in there and teach those heathens to NOT be tossin queers off the roof , don't be killing your daughter because she got raped,let the wimmenfolk drive , wear pants, go braless in tight, wet tee shirts,, |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/08/16 at 09:03:00 nstead of wishing for an America like it used to be,.. wish for one like it should be. It will come... with you or without you Should, yeah, should, You're not going to describe what it Should be. Your bunch just wants to change it. Read the constitution, understand property rights, and understand that what America Should be is described in the founding documents. Ohh, but WAIT, what about the kid, born into poverty, and his one eyed mommy is crazy, shouldn't we have a Government arm to collect money from Everyone and help them out? Noo, If it's Wrong for you to take a few goons with guns and go knocking on doors, taking up a collection, forcibly, then it's Still Wrong when the government Takes that same money. And yes, it's Done with the implied threat of force, should one be at all reluctant. America was very prosperous in the years between central banks. Particularly in the late 18 hundreds, if im remembering that right. The Federal Reserve has a mission and goals. Stability, protecting the value of the currency, and others, but, if that's Your Job and I am the boss, you're Fired. anks which, together with the Board of Governors in Washington, D.C., make up the Federal Reserve System. The Fed, as the system is commonly called, is an independent governmental entity created by Congress in 1913 to serve as the central bank of the United States. It is responsible for formulating and executing monetary policy, supervising and regulating depository institutions, providing an elastic currency, assisting the federal government's financing operations, and serving as the banker for the U.S. government. In addition, the Federal Reserve System has important roles in operating the nation's payments systems, protecting consumers' rights in their dealings with banks and promoting community development and reinvestment. Use Marvin the Martians voice ... Ohhh, they're Just so CARing.. |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by WebsterMark on 04/08/16 at 10:40:01 If it's Wrong for you to take a few goons with guns and go knocking on doors, taking up a collection, forcibly, then it's Still Wrong when the government Takes that same money. And yes, it's Done with the implied threat of force, should one be at all reluctant. Jog, thats FREAKING BRILLIANT! Never thought of tying those together. If its wrong for us to, as our child-like friends Sew and Hovis remind us constantly, invade countries and take their resources for our use, is it just as wrong to invade my wallet, take my resources and give to whom they feel is more deserving than I? Other than what is expressly written in the constitution, where is the authority to do so? |
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Title: Re: Respect......or? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/08/16 at 11:41:03 Anyone who believes that I should Give to a cause and they get legislation passed that , through Color of Law, they have the Collection capabilities of the government working on it. Yeah, a Should. Should we be forced to take shots? Line up and answer that. Thanks for the kind words. Other than what is expressly written in the constitution, where is the authority to do so. I think every bill needs to be specific as to the purpose of the bill AND exactly what part of the constitution gives the authority. We have legislation that is hundreds of pages, and the Coff, coff Repruhzentuhtives don't have time, or inclination to read it. You're not going to be able to know what is in it until you pass it. |
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