SuzukiSavage.com - Print Page

SuzukiSavage.com
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl
General Category >> The Cafe >> Aus Savage Brochure
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1458687320

Message started by Jasbee on 03/22/16 at 15:55:07

Title: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by Jasbee on 03/22/16 at 15:55:07

Attached is the original Savage brochure as issued in Australia in 1986 and 1987. What were they thinking?

Of interest is the price: 5953 AUD in 1987, compared with 7050 AUD when I bought mine 28 years later in 2015. Allowing for inflation, the 1987 price is equivalent to about 14000 AUD in 2015.

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by Jasbee on 03/22/16 at 15:59:04

And here is page 2. It's all about style, eg - I'm chuffed that my bike has a 'hearty disc brake that allows a gleaming view of the shiny spoked wheels'

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/16 at 16:31:03

When I'm chuffed, I reach for
http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Monkey-Powder-Anti-Friction-Sweat-Absorber/dp/B0006B08O6

Stuff sure is expensive down there.
I daggum near tried to move there in the late seventies.
Picking and shoveling in Coober Pedy sounded exciting...

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by Serowbot on 03/22/16 at 16:41:13

$6000 AUS is $4500 US...

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/16 at 17:41:18

I guess the question is, how many hours of work go into making that six,,

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by Art Webb on 03/22/16 at 20:47:33

Yes
I've had a fair number of people from other countries tell me how lucky I am to live in the US, where everything is cheap
Then I ask them
how many hours of work does it take you to pay that higher price? and we discover the USs prices aren't all that low, after all

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by gizzo on 03/22/16 at 23:02:15

342B2D2A3730013101392B276C5E0 wrote:

I guess the question is, how many hours of work go into making that six,,

200 hrs.
(before tax)

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/16 at 07:36:42

May I ask what kind of work that is? That would help understand the difference between the economies. If that's a burger flipping job, I might be heading south.

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by Dave on 03/23/16 at 07:50:45

I was looking for some stuff on the Suzuki T500 Titan...and found this:

http://i66.tinypic.com/263x1s6.jpg

(By the way....that is the tank badge I am going to be switching my Cafe' bike over to...it was only used in 1970 & 1971).

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/16 at 08:02:12

Of the three headlights in the picture, the one on the left appears slightly asymmetrical. Looks like it is slightly flattened across the bottom,while the other two, as I try to compensate for the limited view, appear nicely and evenly shaped.

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by Dave on 03/23/16 at 08:11:38

JOG.....I was having those same thoughts! ;)

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by Serowbot on 03/23/16 at 08:29:22

Nice badge... pretty sure that's a fembot... :-?

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by springman on 03/23/16 at 09:54:29

There really is nothing quite like a nice set of headlights. Good eye for detail JOG.

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by jcstokes on 03/23/16 at 10:48:48

I wonder if the lady is a granny?.

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by Dave on 03/23/16 at 11:24:23

7178686F74707E681B0 wrote:

I wonder if the lady is a granny?.

Well.....I betcha she is getting the senior citizen discount at Denny's!

That bike and lady are now 45 years older than when the photo was taken!

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by gizzo on 03/23/16 at 17:00:24

I bet restoring the Titan would be the easier job! (45 years on, they could still both be smokin', if that's your thing ;) ).

JOG, I'm in disability care work full time, permanent. We work odd hours so get some nice penalty rates (casual workers would see a bit more, in lieu of sick leave and holiday pay). And part time casual work in an academic library.

Flipping burgers would see you on about $20 an hour. A mechanic would get $20-$45 an hour depending on their skill level, the hours they work etc.

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/16 at 19:50:44

I had to read it three times,,,
Penalty rates. = over time,
Our full time work week, before I was disabled, was forty hours.
After that, say, normal pay was ten bucks, overtime is fifteen.

I didn't feel like I was making a living until I got sixty hours.
At seventy, I was breathing easy..

Casual work, I guess that's part time,

You're providing health care and get about 1.5 times the pay of a burger flipper? Don't seem quite right, to me, mate.
I think they're putting the spatula to ya.

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by gizzo on 03/23/16 at 22:10:52

Nah its all good. It's a lot more fun than burger flipping, has paid sick leave and 2 months annual leave paid. funnest job I ever had. i Burgers are casual and no job security at all.

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by Art Webb on 03/25/16 at 09:20:05

JOG look again, the burger flipper makes as much as a mechanic
never happen here, burger flipper $8 Mechanic 15+

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/25/16 at 18:15:02

63797D7F7E407162646279747775100 wrote:

Nah its all good. It's a lot more fun than burger flipping, has paid sick leave and 2 months annual leave paid. funnest job I ever had. i Burgers are casual and no job security at all.

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by HovisPresley on 03/25/16 at 20:17:25

I think this is the 1990 UK brochure :D

http://i67.tinypic.com/2e49p5f.jpg

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by gizzo on 03/25/16 at 23:54:33

47585E5944437242724A58541F2D0 wrote:

[quote author=63797D7F7E407162646279747775100 link=1458687320/15#17 date=1458796252]Nah its all good. It's a lot more fun than burger flipping, has paid sick leave and 2 months annual leave paid. funnest job I ever had. i Burgers are casual and no job security at all.

You used words.
Penalty
Casual

I understood them to be commonly used in reference to work.
Not just your interpretation.
I explained my understanding of what I gathered.
You didn't help.
IMO, there is no casual work. There is minimum wage. Unskilled.
And what I did get was a burger flipper making the money that a mechanic makes. That's messed up.
Please enlighten those who live far away and have no idea.

I'm trying to understand your economy. I see higher prices.
The knee jerk reaction would be to conclude that the average person works longer to get something. But, that depends on how well paid people are. So, I'm just trying to get some ideas about how comparative the lives of the average guy is there and here.[/quote]

Sorry JoG. I didn't mean to be obscure. I don't really know how it works in the States, either.
Here's a few clarifiers:

Casual: you have a job, but there's no guarantee of hours. Shifts can be any length and the boss can sack you on the spot. You only get paid for the hours you work. The upside is you don't have to give notice when you want to quit, you don't have to go if you don't want (but the boss might not want you, either) and you get higher hourly rate than permanent staff.

Permanent: You have a job where you have regular hours, more protection from cranky bosses. He can't fire you unless you really f... up. Even then he has to give several official warnings. So that's nice. plus, you get holiday and sick leave. And Long Service Leave if you stick around for 10 years. That's another 3 months off.

Part time: any hours at all

Full time: guaranteed 38 hours a week.

Penalty rates: extra money on top of your base hourly rate. ie After 7pm I get extra 15% until 6 am for working nights. On weekends I get time and a half, the whole shift (150% of my hourly rate) and double time on public holidays.

Overtime: is any work done after you've done the normal 38 hour week. It's paid at time and a half. If you do overtime on a public holiday, you only get paid the higher rate, not both.

There is a real trend to employers here preferring casual staff, because they can easily get rid of them if the dont work, or the work available slows down. Makes it much harder for the worker to plan for the future.

Most of the unskilled work, retail, hospitality, is casual and they have a high turnover of staff. Your right it does suck that a mechanic's rate is so low compared with a burger flipper but here's the thing: as you get older, so the pay rate goes up. So, you start flipping burgers at 15 on $9 an hour. Your still there at 25 and shift manager, get $20hr (most burger joint staff get the flick around 20 yo, so you see heaps of young managers). A mechanic at $20 can look to upskill himself, get a mining job or something and earn loads more. I have friends still in the trade, in the mines earning $50-$60 an hour. Plus penalty rates and overtime. So occasionally, they'll hit $100 an hour.

There is no way in hell most people here would choose to do 70 hrs a week just to get by. I do 38 at the normal job + 12 at the second job but only because I get time to sleep at the first.
Things are a lot more expensive here than in the US and the $$ is worth less as well, but with the higher pay rate it seems to be working out.

The average australian yearly income is something like $70,000 per year. So that's about $52,000 US. I don't know, is that a good or a bad income?

A new car is about 20,000 - 60,000 for something nice and a house in the suburbs, let's say $300k. Food's cheap, fuel not too bad. Motorbike are expensive.

There are poor people for sure but not epidemics of homeless living on the streets. Though our governments are doing their level best to make it so.

I have rambled long enough now. Hope some of that makes sense, JoG.

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/26/16 at 01:29:01

It helped, thanks.

Title: Re: Aus Savage Brochure
Post by gizzo on 03/26/16 at 13:29:21

Anyway, those old brochures are gold :-). I guess in 30 years we'll look back at now and say "what were we thinking?"