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Message started by old_rider on 03/21/16 at 20:08:47

Title: Ammo bad? fill me in ...
Post by old_rider on 03/21/16 at 20:08:47

Bought some .22 cal Remington ammo for plunking and critter killin'

However... once I started really looking at them... i'm not sure I should even be using them...

Help me out here, should I trust them or send the video to Remington Quality Control?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_J_tDdpHe4

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_J_tDdpHe4 [/media]

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/21/16 at 20:19:07

I poked the clip twenty times, nothing.

I need the link.

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Post by DesertRat on 03/21/16 at 20:20:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_J_tDdpHe4

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Post by old_rider on 03/21/16 at 22:06:56

Looked at a few more videos and it looks like the crack there i'm seeing is actually a pressing channel around the base of the lead.
But, I am still upset with the looseness of the rounds.
Won't that cause my projection path to be off on a longer distant shot?
My laser setup is accurate up to the 40 yard mark on the indoor range, I have yet to try it on an outdoor target farther than that.

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Post by Serowbot on 03/22/16 at 07:13:48

Naa,.. once that bullet is chambered, it's got no choice but to go straight down the barrel...

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Post by Dave on 03/22/16 at 07:44:54

They look pretty crappy - I wouldn't keep them around very long as the humidity in the air might do something to the powder after a while.

I would either - Take them back to where you bought them and return them for better ammo or a refund......or shoot them up quickly. I most likely would not use them in a gun that is a semi-auto.....that wiggly tip might not work too well at those kinds of loading speeds.

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Post by oldNslow on 03/22/16 at 07:46:59

Serobot's right. It isn't unusual for 22 projectiles to wiggle in the case. they have a "heel" at the base of the bullet that slides down into the case that is a bit smaller in diameter than the rest of the bullet. As long as you can't pull the round apart they are ok. I've shot lots of those exact cartridges without any problems. It's plinking ammo, and before the prices went crazy a few years ago, was just about the cheapest stuff you could buy. The biggest issue I've found with those particular Remington rounds is inconsistent velocities. Sometimes I can even hear the difference in the sound of the report when the round goes off. That's not great for accuracy, but for just screwing around, popping tin cans and stuff like that, they are fine. My Ruger 10/22 for some reason shoots almost as well with them as it does with some of the so-called match grade ammo.

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Post by Art Webb on 03/22/16 at 08:04:52

I'm by no means an expert, but I have yet to encounter a 10-22 that doesn't shoot well with just about any ammo you care to feed it
Heck that seems to mostly be true of any Ruger for that matter
I had a mini 14 that'd outshoot most modified ARs in my circle (though not with me shooting)and was as reliable as a rock while the ARs were getting testy about less than optimal weather conditions

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Post by 12Bravo on 03/22/16 at 09:09:22

Did you buy a box of Thunder-duds (thunderbolts)? The thunder-duds are known to be junk lately (last year or so)

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Post by old_rider on 03/22/16 at 09:18:22

Best .22 cal longs?

How about some input on that then?

I'm not a hoarder or anything, just want quality ammo when I need it....

I never have more than about 500 rounds of any ammo at a given time.

I did notice that they left a lot of powder residue after about 100 rounds.

I found the issue when I was messing with grandma's old .22 cal Galesi-Brescia pistol. I cannot get it to feed correctly and ordered a Beretta spring to see if it would work. j
And that's another issue :)

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Post by 12Bravo on 03/22/16 at 09:46:14

Plenty of other choices out there besides Remington ammo. It all depends on what you are looking to do. Are you just wanting decent plinking ammo or are you looking to ring out the most accuracy from your rifle? WHat rifle (or pistol) are you shooting? For plinking, look at Federal/American Eagle, or CCI bulk packs. Once you get into high precision, then there are plenty of different ammo brands to look at. As far as your pistol, try some high velocity ammo in it (after spring is fixed). Most .22lr pistols prefer high velocity over standard velocity.

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Post by old_rider on 03/22/16 at 10:12:41

I will use the .22 cal mainly in the Ruger 10/22 breakdown that I have. I have a laser setup on it that i'm tuning in for accuracy.

I will be attempting to get my suppressor certificate so I can shoot unwanted critters in my yard (suburban area legal) without freaking my neighbors out that there is a shoot out going on.

The Galesi is an old 1963 Italian .22 cal semi-auto type. The gunsmith at the local range doesn't even have an online break-down copy, but I have saved a site that does to my favorites.
However, that site does not sell the springs for the magazines.... and well, the GB was notorious for mis-feeds and jamming, so I am attempting to perhaps fix that with a new spring.
The gunsmith did tell me though, that I should be careful what I shoot out of it, as it was a "cheap" pocket type pistol.
Personally, I don't think he knows anything about it and was just trying to keep me from hurting myself. I think it was the first one he had ever seen or even heard of.

Here are a couple pics... handles are off because I am "attempting" to make some wooden ones :)

http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/DSCF2147.jpg

http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/DSCF2148.jpg

http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/DSCF2149.jpg

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/16 at 15:28:04

That's not right. The crimp isn't tight. You'll get lower muzzle velocity. Grouping will be affected. Some, tight and fast,others, loose, slower, lower,
If you see groups with fliers to the right and left of what you are accustomed to, then the notion that
They have to go straight down the barrel
comes into question.
The retailer probably won't help you, because ammunition return laws are weird. I had a hard time returning pellet gun ammo. I had to point out that I Couldn't have
Tampered
with it, it Has No Powder and all of it is visible.
YMMV...
I'm all in with going Public and going to the manufacturer.
IMO, they should ship you a few boxes, free.
That's some crappy manufacturing. Could lead to jams, depending on how the reload system is designed.
Ruger 10/22, one of the lusts of my life.

For the close range, and peace of mind, knowing that you can't kill someone a half mile away,...

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2506295321/aguila-super-colibri-ammunition-22-long-rifle-20-grain-lead-solid-point

But, it won't cycle an automatic..

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Post by WD on 03/25/16 at 23:18:33

Thunderbolt has been junk since at least the mid 1970s. Dirty, loose, inconsistent powder charge... Fair to middling tolerable in an old Stephens M44 or similar rolling/falling block single shot. Has a tendency to get stuck in magazines of bolt or lever actions. Nearly useless in automatics.

I can use it in my Iver Johnson Target 55A 8 shot revolver. But can miss my foot from my belt with it... Using quality ammunition I can knock squirrels down at 60 to 70 feet with ease.

Remington makes okay centerfire ammunition, occasionally. Their rim fire offerings are a waste of money.

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/25/16 at 23:47:26

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2506295321/aguila-super-colibri-ammunition-22-long-rifle-20-grain-lead-solid-point

No Powder, won't cycle an automatic. But, in the Henry, I could hear the hammer fall, that is all.
The pellet gun is louder.
Pistol is louder.

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Post by Ed L. on 03/26/16 at 15:53:14

A loose slug in a case will cause all types of accuracy problems even in a .22. You won't get reliable and consistant chamber pressures which leads to all type of accuracy problems.
Been reloading for center fire rifles using "mouse fart" plinker loads and have found the neck tension is one of the main factors getting on target.
I have used Remington .22 bulk in my Marlin model 60 and other .22 rifles and have found that is dirty and gives a vertical 3 inch oval at 50 yds. It's fun to shoot but for hunting I would go for something better like CCI. Don't hunt any more so I just enjoy blasting at the range.
My center fire plinkers cost less than a .22 round but take time at the reloading bench so it's a wash between the two. :D

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Post by old_rider on 03/27/16 at 14:13:53

Well, I have noticed that they are dirtier than the CCI rounds I had at first.
But down in this area, with 3 air force bases and a navy base, it is kind of hard to get ammo.

Walmart is the preferred place because it is the cheapest, but during this ammo craze thing, there are a lot of "tin hat" types that are dedicated in buying up ALL the .22 stuff they can find.

The ammo I bought, I got in Illinois at a farm supply store, they had literally TONS of ammo out on the shelves, of all different brands, from Russian crap stuff to good quality high priced stuff.

I have been raised around guns and hunting, and back in the day I don't think I ever ran across stuff like this. I guess in this day and age of quantity not quality, there is going to be a lot of searching for me to find the right ammo for my usage.

Heck I paid $35 for 25 rounds of .380 hollow points for our home defense, because I researched and thought it would be the best for my use....
But I would like my practice rounds to at least be "snug" in the casing.
What would happen if the tip tilted and jammed? would the firing pin have enough room to come out and still hit the casing and cause a blow out?
I purchased a "banana" style double clip and was hoping to use it at the ranges a lot, but not being able to rapid fire, will stint my practice a bit.

I plan to be really careful using this ammo, if I use it at all, and now I have to search around to find me some .22 cal stuff that will suit me... LOL getting picky I guess.

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Post by Ed L. on 03/27/16 at 16:24:06

Don't think the gun would fire with a misfeed, at least non of mine have with a jammed round in the chamber and I've shot some pretty funky old ammo in my .22's. I would shoot the stuff and wear safety glasses.