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Message started by Serowbot on 03/11/16 at 09:09:46

Title: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Serowbot on 03/11/16 at 09:09:46

They said it was free... ... :-/
They installed the 90' valve stem to the pulley side, after I told them twice, and made them note it on the order. BRAKE SIDE!!!
...and my belt is tight as a banjo string.. Tuned to G, I think.. ;D

I'll pull the rear myself (gotta' adjust the belt anyway), and take them the wheel to correct the valve stem arrangement...

Dealer knows best... 8-)
;D ;D ;D...

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Dave on 03/11/16 at 09:28:59

I am sure that there are some good mechanics out there - it is a shame they are so hard to find.

I stopped taking my car to the dealer or tire stores when I need tires - I just drop off the wheels. Too many times they have tightened the lugs nuts so tight that it is impossible to remove them with the lug wrench.....they just keep banging away at the lug nuts with the impact wrench until they are impossible to remove with hand tools!

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by verslagen1 on 03/11/16 at 10:39:03

6D7B6C71697C716A1E0 wrote:

BRAKE SIDE!!!

Brakes!?! I thought you wanted a tire.
And these are tubeless tires... do you want a new valve stem? :-?

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Serowbot on 03/11/16 at 10:48:35

Believe it not,... they charged me $4 for new valve stems...
Got that refunded, too...

Before I reinstall,.. I'm gonna' do Daves innertube mod to the pulley bushings...

PS.. the belt was so tight, the bike slowed down when the suspension hit dips...
It was a belt snappin' fun ride home... ;D

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Kris01 on 03/11/16 at 12:42:39

I just take my wheels in like Dave said. However, the last time I did, I forgot to ask the guys to mount the stem on the brake side. It's under the pulley and a little hard to reach but manageable.

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by gizzo on 03/11/16 at 13:03:24

Last time I took wheels in for tyres , the observant and careful tyre fitter noticed the tyre was on backwards, did a little research, determined it was an Enfield rim and put the new tyre on backwards as well. Enfields have the drive sprocket opposite side to most others.
Well done, and good job, sir. There is an occasional good one out there.

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Kris01 on 03/11/16 at 13:56:23

I'm not understanding why the tire is supposed to be backwards. :-?

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Gus on 03/11/16 at 14:17:03

Where I live you can still stand and watch them torque the lugs. While in WI working a few years ago I had a tire monkey cinch down the wheels so tight he ruined the rotors on my Mercedes.

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by engineer on 03/11/16 at 18:00:31

Serowbot, you are doing the right thing by taking the wheel back in and getting the tube installed right. And it is just unbelievable that they adjusted the belt so tight. The mechanic not only didn't understand anything about belt drives but he apparently didn't know anything about swing arm geometry.

When I was younger I did all my own work on houses, cars, bikes, whatever to save money. Now that I am older I would like to have someone do some of this stuff for me but it seems I have to keep doing it myself because so much of what I hire done is faulty these days.

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Ed L. on 03/11/16 at 18:01:11

Thanks for the reminder, just had new rubber put on the Tahoe and need to check the torque on the lugs. I've had too many monkeys with hammers working on my SUV to trust anybody, try to do it myself now.
Last tire I had the dealer put on the bike I pulled the wheel and took it in. They folded the tube during installation and it went flat about 60 miles into an afternoon ride. At least they replaced the tube for free when I brought back in. Don't know who to trust with the bike anymore.

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Kris01 on 03/11/16 at 18:14:36

212328232A232F35460 wrote:

When I was younger I did all my own work on houses, cars, bikes, whatever to save money. Now that I am older I would like to have someone do some of this stuff for me but it seems I have to keep doing it myself because so much of what I hire done is faulty these days.

That's the exact reason why I wrench on my own stuff. I don't trust anyone else to do a satisfactory job.

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by gizzo on 03/12/16 at 01:54:38

615843591A1B2A0 wrote:

I'm not understanding why the tire is supposed to be backwards. :-?

No no, the tyre is on the right way around. But because the sprocket is on the other side of the wheel to most other bikes, if he'd put the tyre on the conventional "right" way, it would've been on backward for my bike. So the tyre fitter noticed before he took the old tyre off, that it appeared backwards and took the time to find out why and got it right. He could've just gone through the motions and had it arse about but he didn't.
Hope that makes sense ;)

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Art Webb on 03/12/16 at 08:01:27

1F24293E2F23383E252D203F4C0 wrote:

Since you no longer let gun monkeys work on your car this is clocking the barn door after the horse got out, but you can get any lugnut off a car no matter hoe tight if you use leg strength
this is my method
first you gotta have a straight, not 4 way lug wrench, or a breaker bar
set the tool on the lug nut so it sits parallel to the ground
with your right side to the car (unless it's a '60s Dodge with left hand threads) get down like you're gonna kneel on the ground
grab the wrench with your right hand
now stand /step forward (think 'walking lunge' exercise)
you'll either loosen the lug or snap the stud off
I've taken bolts off cars this way that a high end impact with 500 ft lb wouldn't loosen (snapping 3 of the 5 studs in the process, because they were cross threaded AND over tightened)
if this is 'clear as mud' I can make a short video and post to the forum for any who'd like to see

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Kris01 on 03/12/16 at 10:09:01

Oh ok. Thanks Gizzo. It makes sense now. My brain must've been backwards! ;D

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by springman on 03/12/16 at 10:09:15

Art, much too complicated. I have a four foot cheater bar, you would be surprised just how much leverage that gives you! ;D

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Dave on 03/13/16 at 06:43:56

Art:

I have breaker bars, a couple of impact wrenches, and I could get the lug nuts loose if I had to - I just don't want to give them the opportunity to abuse my car anymore. It is far easier just to take the tires/wheels to them and limit the exposure and potential problems.

And I don't want my wife driving with lugs nuts so tight she couldn't get them off.....if she had a flat and I wasn't around.

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Art Webb on 03/13/16 at 08:44:10

Springman, yup, but do you carry it in your car at all times? I don't, and the method describes far more complicated that it works

Dave, I'm with you on not letting them put wheels on my car, I was working as a mechanic though and had to learn these things
I try to pass them along because I like sharing things that have helped me
I do have one Discount Tire near me (in Brenham) whom I will allow to instal the wheels because the tech there actually have sense and care about the customer

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/13/16 at 09:21:50

NTB uses torque wrenches. Car models and types are looked, lug nut torque is respected, AND, when Tom is done, Dilbert checks it.

They are clearly very good, Row, just the place to get the oil changed.

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by springman on 03/14/16 at 20:56:45

You're right Art, I cannot carry that cheater bar around with me. When without the cheater bar I use a different technique, I call it "Fat boy jumping on lug nut wrench". Has not failed me yet! ;D

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Art Webb on 03/15/16 at 20:37:55

585B5942454C464A452B0 wrote:

You're right Art, I cannot carry that cheater bar around with me. When without the cheater bar I use a different technique, I call it "Fat boy jumping on lug nut wrench". Has not failed me yet! ;D

When (not if) it does, you will sustain an ankle injury to got with your stuck lug nut
I've know more than a few folks who wound up limping for a while doing that :(
Maybe I'll post the vid just for gits and shiggles

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/16 at 09:30:11

I'm gonna GIT that snatsafrapin ritsapoppin ding dang no good
Lug Nut!

SOUTHWORTH, Wash. - A man tired of fighting a stubborn lug nut blasted the wheel with a 12-gauge shotgun, injuring himself badly in both legs, sheriff's deputies said.

The 66-year-old man had been repairing a Lincoln Continental for two weeks at his home near Southworth, about 10 miles southwest of Seattle, and had gotten all but one of the lug nuts off the right rear tire by Saturday afternoon, Kitsap County Deputy Scott Wilson said.

"He was bound and determined to get that lug nut off," Wilson said.

From about arm's length, the man fired the shotgun at the wheel and was "peppered" in both legs with buckshot and debris, with some injuries as high as his chin.

"Nobody else was there and he wasn't intoxicated," Wilson said.

In other words, Yes, one man can be That STUPID without
Any help from Anyone else or the influence of alcohol.

When I am forced to resort to a cheater I really want to support the ratchet/breaker bar, lug wrench, whatever, out away from the wheel. Pretty much how I'd support the tools if I Was winning by hand.

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by cheapnewb24 on 03/16/16 at 21:48:40

Poor fella! Just wanted to blow up that darned wheel that wouldn't mind him! Maybe he should have used a stick of dynamite. :D

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Serowbot on 03/16/16 at 22:09:18

The amazing thing to me, is the guy made it to 66 years old without a brain...
He probably bred, too... :-?

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by gizzo on 03/16/16 at 23:32:49

What a f...ing idiot. Guess he was one of those "guns solve everything" types. How about using an angle grinder next time, Einstein?

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Dave on 03/17/16 at 08:49:51

Removing locks or lug nuts with a shotgun always works for those folks on the TV! :-?

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by old.indian on 03/17/16 at 10:23:53

0E35382F3E32292F343C312E5D0 wrote:

Removing locks or lug nuts with a shotgun always works for those folks on the TV! :-?

My personal favorite is one using a pistol grip 12 gauge 3" magnum with 00. 8-)

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Kris01 on 03/17/16 at 17:40:43

I used to know a guy with a '68 Dodge Coronet. He got two of the wheels off (on one side) but the other side's lugnuts would not come off no matter what he tried. He tried breaker bars, cheater bars, brute strength...everything he could think of. He finally gave up and just torched them off.

When he went to the auto parts store to get new lug nuts, the guy asked him if he needed left-hand or right-hand threaded lugnuts. Apparently the old Dodges have lugnuts that spin off differently depending on what side of the car you're on.

He was actually cranking them down tighter! ;D

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/17/16 at 19:05:23

I'm partial to the slugs.
See how nicely that rhymes?

One stuck lug.
Shotgun slug.
My guts leakin
Need a plug
Bout the size
Of a slug
I need it
To slow the blood
Next time I'll do it
Like I should
Get some friends
From du naybuhood.
And use a cheater pipe
On the darnstukk lug..

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Art Webb on 03/17/16 at 20:35:08

013823397A7B4A0 wrote:

yup, Dodge used left hand threads on their early models
The idea was that using right hand threads on that side of the car might encourage lug nut loosening
I think one of the dodge brothers had some loose lugnuts, his own self

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by Gus on 03/18/16 at 04:34:41

The jeeps of old, and other brands, were like that too. It wasn't until the early 60's that they started getting away from that. I had a 57 Jeep pickup that was like that.

Title: Re: Tire install by the dealer.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/18/16 at 04:56:49

Yep, people are goofy. Trying to get something apart, get it to move, and then bind up, STOP, go the other way, oil it, play with it, don't go crazy on it.

I watched three or four guys wrestle with an oil field connection for a long time. I knew they didn't have the horsepower to hurt it, even with the two big pipe wrenches and the long cheaters.

Sure, everything is right hand thread, BELOW the rotating table, that drives the drill bit round and round, but, Above that point, if it rotates, it's left hand thread. That way, if there was something that bound up, the connections would get tighter.

They were working on the swivel, gonna repack it,, and BOY did they have it tight.

I might've let them fight with it for an hour, I don't know.
Went over, studied the set-up, looking at it, the crew, hoping someone would get it.. finally asked the guy who actually Ran the rig,
Now, is that connection Above or Below the rotating table?
Those eyes told the story. Everyone was pissed at themselves And each other.

If it moves, but gets worse or just doesn't feel as easy as it should, Stop, lube, go the other way. Especially if you are pulling the plugs out of an aluminum head.

A guy tried to sucker me like that.. he knew the plugs were carboned up and they were too long. I started to back one out, it broke, then started to stiffen up,I put it back tight, tried several times, nope, snugged it up, called the guy, and told him that I won't be doing the tune up, after all.