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Message started by Serowbot on 02/27/16 at 17:40:13

Title: Why we're invisible...
Post by Serowbot on 02/27/16 at 17:40:13

Why You Don't 'See' Motorcycles on the Road
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a28306/why-you-dont-see-motorcycles-on-the-road/

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/16 at 18:29:42

So,there is a scientific Reason for being a home body.
You're just seeing the shortcuts that your brain is placing there to conserve processing power and attention. That's why people become fatigued more easily in foreign countries or really unfamiliar terrain; their

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by bobert_FSO on 02/27/16 at 19:56:19

Because of the small frontal profile of a motorcycle, and the piecemeal visual process mentioned in the article, I have a movement I often do when approaching a vehicle that is preparing to turn left in front of me or that is sitting waiting to pull out into traffic. I will weave side to side within my traffic lane, hoping that the unusual movement will catch the other driver's eye. I think it can make a difference in another driver taking notice of your motorcycle. I know I find it easier to notice such movements when others make movements like that.

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by KennyG on 02/27/16 at 21:00:26

I live in an Over 55 Active Adult Community and most of the people living here have a lot of money, so naturally they are bullies and rude and never give anyone the right away.

I have been riding motorcycle for 64 years and only once was I hit by a car, right here where I live, about a year ago. I go riding almost every day that the sun is shining and the most dangerous place that I ride is right here where I live. These sombitches darned near hit me every time that I return from a ride. They obviously don't see me and I wear a fluorescent safety belt on my vest when I ride and wear a silver metal flake helmet.

Other than being extremely careful I have no idea what else I can do to try to protect myself. I keep my fingers crossed every time I get near the entrance gates.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by badwolf on 02/28/16 at 04:17:00

I long ago realized when riding a m/c, or a bicycle, the only one that wants to see you get home alive is YOU! So you have to ride with the mindset that everyone out there is trying to KILL YOU. Keep track of ALL traffic nearby, and ''see'' what other drivers are going to do before they do it. Ride pessimistic and paranoid, always prepare for the worst. Nothing wrong with being paranoid if your right. This morning I am riding to the range the back way. 6 miles longer than the s slab. But a nicer ride taking my chances with a pig or deer, hell even a turtle or gater than a ton chunk of texting steel at 70mph.

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by Dave on 02/28/16 at 04:56:07

I had linked an excellent article about this previously....and I can't find it.  It explained about the small frontal profile and how we provide very little visual motion when seen head on.  The article recommended that as you approach an intersection - you need to move from one side of the lane to the other side.....to provide the car a view of the motion and also give them a chance to see a bit of the side of the motorcycle.  At a minimum this provides motion that can separate you from the background.  If the car is on the left side of the intersection - you should be at the left side of the lane and drift over to the right side as you approach........and any kind of side to side motion will help you be seen.

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by MMRanch on 02/28/16 at 07:20:56

Kenny your Crossing the wrong finger !    ;D

actually , I do the side to side thing too , even on these two lane back roads , and also the S-40's have the passing light flash thing --- I use that if in question .   8-)

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by KennyG on 02/28/16 at 07:29:21

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I have been flipping the finger to lot of them.

I am sure some of them have heard curse words that they have never heard before.

It frightens me to try to get back through the entrances.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by Paladin. on 02/28/16 at 20:26:49


4D5B4C51495C514A3E0 wrote:
Why You Don't 'See' Motorcycles on the Road

Also see http://www.dslretorts.com/Paladin/archives/000937.html

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by old_rider on 03/01/16 at 05:32:39

I have a protective vest, and with a small investment of a couple dollars I made it more "visable"

http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/IMG_20160124_233753424.jpg

http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/IMG_20160124_233745474.jpg

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Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by DesertRat on 03/01/16 at 11:09:14


3934393E292F5B0 wrote:
Because of the small frontal profile of a motorcycle, and the piecemeal visual process mentioned in the article, I have a movement I often do when approaching a vehicle that is preparing to turn left in front of me or that is sitting waiting to pull out into traffic. I will weave side to side within my traffic lane, hoping that the unusual movement will catch the other driver's eye. I think it can make a difference in another driver taking notice of your motorcycle. I know I find it easier to notice such movements when others make movements like that.




I do this all the time, even moving with the flow of traffic, trying to catch the attention of drivers behind that are approaching way too fast. Even had two motorcycle cops pull in behind me one time, guess they thought I was drunk or something, they didn't bother with the speeding cager, just me. Go figure! douchebags ...  ::)

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by stewmills on 03/01/16 at 11:39:32


47554755584B4449420A0 wrote:
and also the S-40's have the passing light flash thing --- I use that if in question .   8-)


I would suggest not using the high beam/passing light as a signal or attention getter. Too many people mistake the flash for a "oh, he sees me and is telling me to go ahead and PULL OUT/TURN" which is the opposite of what we need.

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by Gus on 03/01/16 at 12:30:18

I tell my boys to drive for everyone on the road. Drive like none of them have a brain they can think with.

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by Kris01 on 03/01/16 at 17:40:20

old rider, I have Michael Keaton's voice in my head saying in a low gravelly tone "I'm Batman"!  ;D

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by Serowbot on 03/01/16 at 21:45:21

I think, the point of the article is... it's not you, or them,... it's human biology.
We aren't seen, because we aren't anticipated...

I've done it myself...
You pull out,... and suddenly someone is right behind you,...
... and you think,.. did I cut him off?...
Where did he come from?...
... am I the bad guy?...
I was sure it was clear...

Our eyes and brain, selectively focus on what appears to be most crucial at the time... and what is anticipated...



Either that,... or I'm older than than I think... :-?

Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by old_rider on 03/02/16 at 06:51:37


5F667D672425140 wrote:
old rider, I have Michael Keaton's voice in my head saying in a low gravelly tone "I'm Batman"!  ;D



Have you seen this guys videos?? I ordered his T-Shirt :) the picture is of him and his wife Jen... Just do a You Tube search for "Batdad"


Title: Re: Why we're invisible...
Post by jrobeson18 on 04/05/16 at 07:52:48


7271796F7479786F1D0 wrote:
I have a protective vest, and with a small investment of a couple dollars I made it more "visable"

http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/IMG_20160124_233753424.jpg

http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/IMG_20160124_233745474.jpg

http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/IMG_20160124_233715965.jpg

http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/IMG_20160124_233728692.jpg



Nice, what's the name of that one? I'd like to do something similar

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