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Message started by oldNslow on 02/24/16 at 06:16:57

Title: used savage horror story
Post by oldNslow on 02/24/16 at 06:16:57

Shame she didn't discover this forum when she bought it. Makes me cringe to think of how much money she must have spent. At least she is still riding. I doubt she'll be recommending a used Savage to anyone though :(

https://rideapart.com/articles/big-girl-bike-vs-starter-bike

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by KennyG on 02/24/16 at 06:50:57

She has balls doesn't she.

I think I would have quit after the 130 mile tow truck ride.

Kenny G

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by verslagen1 on 02/24/16 at 08:15:45

406E6548796A78630B0 wrote:

She has balls doesn't she.

I think I would have quit after the 130 mile tow truck ride.

Kenny G

well... she did quit on the savage, and from the lead in... she wised up on stealerships too. Amazing, you buy a bike from a shop and then take it to a mechanic?

And obviously, she wasn't a savage kind of rider... we got a problem, get our elbows in gear.

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Art Webb on 02/24/16 at 08:31:14

I'm in lust!
The lady's pretty good looking, too

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by MMRanch on 02/24/16 at 08:59:26

Well , one thing she didn't say -- is what I found encouraging , up till she got a savage she had "Dumped" them all. ::)

so , ya run a savage (or anything) wide open for long periods of time - then you can expect the oil level to drop and start a chain of events that don't end well ! ;D

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Gus on 02/24/16 at 09:35:55

That is an excellent story. To bad she had so much trouble with her Savage. [ch55357][ch56844]
MMRanch, I think you're spot on. She I was reading I was thinking, What is she doing riding @ 80 mph for extended periods.

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by verslagen1 on 02/24/16 at 10:13:53

2B24332E252D7825262E784A0 wrote:

What is she doing riding @ 80 mph for extended periods.

She was on I10 coming out of the desert, not uncommon to ride like a bat outta hell as that's what it is.

Also, she's been contaminated by riding with HD's

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Gus on 02/24/16 at 10:39:07

I used to have an FLH and road it hard for lotta years. The speed limit on the I-state in SD where I live is 80. I rarely ride the I-State. When I do it's 70 for me. That's fast enough. I really just don't care to ride even that fast anymore. Guess I'm turning into a wimp[ch55357][ch56851] I like the side roads best. Just me!

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Dave on 02/24/16 at 11:16:57

It is a shame she had such a troublesome start....and especialyly that it was a Savage that let her down.

Yep...sounds like is was rode hard and put away wet (wet from oil).

The first part where the bike was stalling.....I was thinking that she needed to replace that vacuum petcock!

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Gus on 02/24/16 at 11:24:53

4D767B6C7D716A6C777F726D1E0 wrote:

The first part where the bike was stalling.....I was thinking that she needed to replace that vacuum petcock!

Guess I'm lucky. Someone went through that problem before I got mine. They replaced that pesky petcock with some Polaris unit or something.

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by old_rider on 02/24/16 at 23:05:42

Ok, I gave her a few pointers on what she "should have seen", and pointed some of her "fans" to our site, to see what a savage/s40 can really do and look like, hope they click the link.

She is a bit short sighted, and gets pointed in a direction by "friends", who also tried to repair her savage....(and sound like HD fan boys)well , that is what I got out of it.
Sounded like someone who helped her didn't help at all.

The savage does kind of look familiar though.... not sure if she posted here or not. :-?

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by LANCER on 02/25/16 at 07:17:37

She didn't say how much she had to spend on her BMW.

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by verslagen1 on 02/25/16 at 07:32:25

30333B2D363B3A2D5F0 wrote:

The savage does kind of look familiar though.... not sure if she posted here or not. :-?

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by oldNslow on 02/25/16 at 07:53:06

2528272A2C3B7B7E490 wrote:

She didn't say how much she had to spend on her BMW.

http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/us/en/index.html?content=http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/us/en/bike/model_overview.html&notrack=1

Dealer near me has a new 2014 in his showroom tagged for $8275. I don't know why it's more than the MSRP of a 2016, unless it's got some add-ons.

I don't know if it matters but I think the G650gs is made in India not Germany.

Pretty expensive 650 single, anyhow.

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Gus on 02/25/16 at 08:11:35

They are ; right proud of those things ! They are nice bikes but I'm not sure they're that nice.

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Dave on 02/25/16 at 08:31:36

WoW.....that BMW has a 400 Watt generator!

No problem powering your electric socks while riding that bike!

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Gus on 02/25/16 at 08:54:53

Whoa!!!!! Nice! Well I guess an onboard generator is worth something.

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Art Webb on 02/25/16 at 20:41:38

All the 'adventure bikes' are sort of high dollar
You rarely see them for sale used
I think that says something, though I'm not sure what

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by MMRanch on 02/25/16 at 21:47:57

Wait just a minute ... :-? ...

I suspect to get a 400 watts (400watt/12volts=33amps)

Don't that tell ya : This thing has a "Brush-type" Alternator

well Brush type work good on cars where they are isolated away from the crank-shaft , and heat
BUT
On a motorcycle with a vibrating crank shaft spinning a wound rotor , things are different.
The motor temperature and the "33Amps being generated" add up to a lot of heat being added to that Vibrating , Spinning , Ball of windings soaked in varnish.
The result is a new rotor the first time the battery gets low and those 33 amps are needed. :o
Its not a "Good" thing. :-[

So a permanent Magnet producing 100 watts is : kinda bullet proof and that is a Good thing ! :)

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Dave on 02/26/16 at 04:38:54

Our charging system is pretty simple and durable....and definitely small.

I am not sure that modern motorcycles suffer from the same charging system (brushed alternator) problems you had on your bikes 40 years ago.

My Honda ST1100 has a 40 amp alternator....and they aren't known to have any recurring problems. The early ST's had 28 amp alternators and when folks started adding lots of heated clothing and electronic parts they ran out of power - so folks do change the 28 amp alternators for the later 40 amp ones. Living on a water cooled V-4 is no worse than being in the engine compartment of a car.

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Gus on 02/26/16 at 06:14:07

0A313C2B3A362D2B3038352A590 wrote:

Living on a water cooled V-4 is no worse than being in the engine compartment of a car.

Dave, I tend to agree with you here. I would nearly speculate that, on a 4 cyl. Water cooled bike, it could run cooler than under the good of a car.

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Art Webb on 02/26/16 at 07:48:13

Why? a car is water cooled, too, and the alternator get plenty of cooling airflow
I seriously doubt the internal temp of the engine is lower than the under hood temperature that same engine is generating

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by MMRanch on 02/26/16 at 18:44:43

Water cooled V-4 = Smooth ! :)

Don't know how any Big-Single could even come close . :-?

Even those in line 4's are smooth in comparison to any 650 single .

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/28/16 at 22:33:57

I don't think I'm a Beemer guy. They give me a bad impression. Too fancy-schmancy. Not simple or humble.

Does one need power brakes on a motorcycle? Some Beemers have them. Not simply big powerful brakes like many Sport bikes do, but power brakes? I read that the ABS on these things disengages at low speeds, meaning the power brake monster is unleashed upon the poor rider who then accidentally locks the brakes and hits the ground. >:( Again, do we need power brakes on a motorcycle? I can understand that it is not easy using the Savage brakes. They take some squeeze power. But still, does anyone need POWER BRAKES?!?!? ::) ... on a motorcycle!?!? ::)

Not only that, I've gathered bad impressions of their reliability (the newer one's at least-- I heard a good opinion about the old ones.)

Not sayin' I wouldn't ride one or be willing to hear about them in some respects.

They just leave a bad taste in my mouth, metaphorically speaking. >:(

It's interesting and frustrating that this girl chose a Beemer, but it seems that she's a Beemer person. She's some fancy person who wants some fancy bike and can't handle the pure Savagery of the Savage. It seems that Beemer people and Suzuki people are near opposites. They don't see eye to eye.

...Or, to think of it, she's a beginner that doesn't have a clue what she's doing, doesn't know or care about reliability or repair-ability. She probably has money and doesn't care about spending it. She probably went to the stealership, looked at the bike (and maybe others), test drove, and decided that she simply liked the feel of the Beemer, having no clue as to the monstrosity which lay before her. ::)

Now what would be more extreme would be Royal Enfield vs BMW. :-?

Now, there are probably some Beemer/Savage owners here who don't like my slightly frustrated rant... Go ahead, have at it! Call me everything but a rotten egg! ;D

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/28/16 at 22:48:03

Okay! Okay! I looked over the story again. ::) Maybe she has a slight clue. :-/ I don't know... Tell me, does the 650 GS Beemer thumper earn a more respectable reputation?

Haven't quite figured this out yet... :-/

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/28/16 at 23:10:55

Here's a cute little thread where they duke it out: BMW vs Suzuki.

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/bmw-f650gs-vs-suzuki-dr650.112940/

Well, it's late, and I've done enough damage for one night. I think I'll sleep on it. :-?

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by gizzo on 02/28/16 at 23:32:24

I used to have a BMW K75s. 3 cyl, watercooled and very nice. Totally reliable as well. And the massive external alternator powered the heated handgrips just fine. I'd have another BMW.

I also have a Savage and a Royal Enfield. Jolly good bikes both.

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/28/16 at 23:54:39

Cool. Sounds good.

Gizzo, you've got everything, don't you. ;D

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by gizzo on 02/29/16 at 02:10:51

Not yet, but I'm working on it. I'm running out of space unfortunately. Been culling some crap but still plenty to go.....

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by MMRanch on 02/29/16 at 07:16:10

gizzo

so tell us about the Enfield :

??? you got the newer type motor ?
does it feel like it needs an overdrive ?
the high speed cruising speed - (I call 75mph High speed on my S-40)
when you lean over in tight turns - what drags first ?

:-?

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Gus on 02/29/16 at 07:29:25

I'm with MMranch, I wanna hear more about the Royal Enfield. I dang near night one this winter with tranny problems but be wanted to much for it.

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Art Webb on 02/29/16 at 08:31:33

777C7175647A7163762620140 wrote:

That thread compares a BMW to a Suzuki DR, not a Savage
the lady in this story needed a bike that would happily do 80 all day long,the Savage will do 80 unhappily until you break it (quickly)
I have no idea how well the DR tolerates 80 MPH, but obviously the BMW tolerates it well
don't judge other's rides by your standards
None of the 'big dog' savage riders here would be happy on my S Wind on the Dragon, or the 3 sisters, even I find it less fun in the twisties than a Savage (though it seems as capable, at least in such twisties as I have around here you aren't as connected, and it's somewhat less precise i think) but riding home from Hallettsville last nigh (50 miles) at 70 MPH, on fairly straight secondary roads, with an outside temp of about 60, I couldn't possibly have been happier on a Savage, or any of a lot of other bikes I've owned
A Savage isn't a wunderbar, do it all better than any other bike, it's a nice, simple, basic light cruiser
want to run 80 all day long? get a different bike, running a Savage like that is abuse
if you're cool with running mostly 60-70 a Savage if a good bike, IF it's properly cared for
Hers wasn't

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 09:12:31

Looks like the girl in this story didn't find this forum. :-/ If she did, her Savage career could have been saved.

But then, it's possible that she still would have given up trying to make a silk purse out of a mouse's ear. It's interesting that she never attempted to repair her own bike, not even for the most simple of repairs. There are great costs to that kind of decision. How many hundreds of dollars did she dump into repair bills, not counting parts costs?

It is possible to make a Savage do 80 without revving the snot out of it. It takes mods, though. Mods don't compute to some people. If she didn't have the nerve to repair her own bike, would she have dared to mod it? Maybe... maybe not. :-?

Even then, it takes a good, smooth road to do 80 very safely on a Savage anyway. So, yeah, maybe the Savage was not for her if 80 all day everyday was her goal.

Don't some guys on here do 80+ regularly on their Savage?

By the way, what's an "S Wind"?

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Art Webb on 02/29/16 at 09:39:22

yes, some guys here do 80 a lot on modified savages, and at least one fella run a stock one that way a lot and wore it out very quickly
Modding a bike, especially if you don't have any mechanical savvy, is an expensive way to try to make a silk purse from a mouses ear, and potentially wind up with a ruined mouses ear for your trouble
the cheapest and easiest route if you have little to no mechanical savvy is always to buy a bike that suits your needs stock, not try to make a fast bike out of a slow one
Swind is a typo, I meant S wing, aka Silverwing, a maxi scooter
at 70 MPH. you can barely hear the engine, and your sitting in a nice cushy seat, with weather protection from your toes on up, though there is still some helmet buffeting / wind noise at head level
it's fast, nimble, and stable, though not as stable as a Savage at low speeds due to small wheels, steeper steering angle, and a clutch that disengages at less than 2k RPM, but you don't feel as connected to the bike
In short, if you were riding with us from Columbus Tx to Kerrville for the 3 sisters rally, you'd want the S40 for the sisters, but the Silverwing for the ride there on I-10
This is one reason some folks prefer to trailer a bike for long distances to get to sooper good riding roads, the bikes that are the most fun once you get there, sometimes aren't much fun while getting there

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by gizzo on 02/29/16 at 09:52:35

150715070A19161B10580 wrote:

Ok, quickly then:
It has the new UCE engine in 535cc, fuel injection. its good for 90mph on a good day but it's happy place is less. Its good at up to 75 and will do that all day. It's not a high speed rocket but nor are most big singles. The engine has no counter balancer so it vibrates a bit more than the cabbage. Build quality is variable and evidently some shake a lot worse than others. Mine's pretty good.
I don't really feel the need to gear it up but others claim good results with an extra tooth on the front sprocket.
Mine's the Continental GT and has great cornering clearance. The first thing decks is the boot, then the sidestand mount and muffler. The pegs are high and rearset and I haven't decked them (they're too short anyway, the ends snapped off) .
Build quality is so so. I needed to do a fair amount of fettling from new and little things pop up now and again. I wouldn't recommend an Enfield to a non mechanically minded owner. You can buy a lot more japanese motorbike for the same money. But I love it and it's hilarious fun. It keeps up in the bends with buds on sv 1000, ss900, ktm superduke, triumph speed triple. Not so much on the straights.

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by verslagen1 on 02/29/16 at 10:00:14

7C6F696A787F7F1D0 wrote:

Swind is a typo, I meant S wing, aka Silverwing, a maxi scooter

good... I was worried it was south wind... as in wind from your nether regions. :o

Title: Re: used savage horror story
Post by Art Webb on 02/29/16 at 10:58:19

Well I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if you were in my Swind either, on the Dragon or off ;D
(insert beans joke here)
fortunately at 80 you'd not likely even notice any Swind ;D