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Title: New cam chain or not? Post by hawk41 on 02/23/16 at 13:39:08 I recently purchased a 2004 Savage with 27,000+ miles. It appears that I am the third owner and there is little information concerning maintenance, etc. I plan on having the cam chain adjuster checked out by an experienced motorcycle mech. and I was wondering if I should just go ahead and have a new cam chain installed at that time? I am 74 and the bike will be used for short trips around the greater Phoenix, AZ area. |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by Art Webb on 02/23/16 at 14:09:45 at 27k miles, with the stock cam chain adjuster still in one piece, the chain should be fine, you might invest in a Versy cam chain adjuster though, the stocker is a grenade http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344399573 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1366651397 Required reading for all Savage / S40 owners who want their bikes to last |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by verslagen1 on 02/23/16 at 14:38:12 without looking at it, there's no way to tell. at 27k, it's either past needing to be done or has been done. unless the PO was like stinger who got 33k on the original chain... very rare. |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by hawk41 on 02/23/16 at 14:46:46 Thanks for the input! The Versy appears to be a no brainer to me. Tried to send him an email for current pricing but got nowhere. Advice on how to contact him would be much appreciated. |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by Art Webb on 02/23/16 at 15:24:29 Once you make 10 posts you can PM him you can just make nothing posts to this thread if you want |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by hawk41 on 02/23/16 at 16:00:01 Interesting! Referring to the "10 post" rule, of course! Since this is my first day on the forum (it definitely ROCKS) and this is my first thread, my question is "can I change the topic of this thread?" e.g. I have other questions concerning the 27,000+ miles on this bike! Or would it be better to start a new thread referencing the new subject matter? |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by old.indian on 02/23/16 at 16:25:10 Posting your various questions one post at a time on this tread would give you a leg up. ;) |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by Dave on 02/23/16 at 17:24:03 Verslagen is paying attention...he posted a comment in your thread. And you can change your title if you want - however it won't change much of anything as we do read these threads, regardless of what you call them. |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/23/16 at 17:26:26 One |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/23/16 at 17:26:44 Two |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/23/16 at 17:33:29 Three. Etcetera, etcetera,, Don't get hamstrung by rules.. If you have tools and are physically able to get up and down and a place to work, we can walk you through it. I mean, Dave can walk you through it, errr, Verslagen can,,, awww, nobody ever got any help outta this bunch. That's why there is hardly any traffic here. Short of a case breaking rebuild, there is nothing this bunch isn't fluent in. Ohh, nobody can troubleshoot a short in a wiring harness from across the country, but basic maintenance? It's here. I'm betting someone already Did the chain, and it's time to do the Verslavy. Welcome aboard. I'm the local troublemaker. |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by verslagen1 on 02/23/16 at 19:06:23 versy has a day job, this is a hobby... still. in other words, he's not sitting on top of his email account like a cat watching a laser pointer. |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by hawk41 on 02/23/16 at 19:29:54 Glad to meet ya, troublemaker! Can get up (at least most of me) and down & I have a place to work. I don't have the tools and it appears that the list of tools needed to do this job correctly may cost more than hiring a good mech. to do the job, especially if it is just replacing the cam chain adjuster. This is just a guess on my part as I haven't priced out the tools yet. Just found the list on the forum here last nite. In addition I would have to build the bike stand (looks pretty straight forward). My inclination is to order a new Versy, wait for however long it takes to get one (I am too old to be in a hurry) and at that time decide if I am up to the repairs myself or let the expert handle it. |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/23/16 at 19:31:32 So, when that pound of catnip I sent shows up, it's Not gonna create a stir? How do you spell the sound of kicking yourself in the butt? |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by old.indian on 02/23/16 at 19:43:16 3E2127203D3A0B3B0B33212D66540 wrote:
Those are some nifty meds you're on jog2...... ::) |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by hawk41 on 02/23/16 at 19:45:14 Question? The rear break is squealing every so often! Is this just a dust problem or with 27,000+ miles is it time for new brake pads. I know! Just remove the wheel and take a look! Guess I will just have to build that bike stand after all! |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by old.indian on 02/23/16 at 20:18:59 40495F431C19280 wrote:
I DO wish that the S40 had a center stand. It made life SOOOOO much easier...... |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by hawk41 on 02/23/16 at 20:28:18 A center stand would certainly come in handy. I bought one of those hydraulic motorcycle lifts from Harbor Freight so that I could do some minor work on my last bike, a 94 Yamaha Virago 535 bobber project. It was on the lift for quite some time during the heat of summer and when it was time to take it off the lift, it had frozen in the up position. Had to tear the thing apart just to get the bike down. What a piece of junk. |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by verslagen1 on 02/23/16 at 20:32:12 56555D1750575D505857390 wrote:
I DO wish that the S40 had a center stand. It made life SOOOOO much easier...... [/quote] got an owners manual? if not grab a copy in the tech section (see index) on pg 54 it shows you how to tell how much rear brake you got. |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by hawk41 on 02/23/16 at 21:23:06 Thanks! Found page 54 and checked the index line on my bike. The extension line is pointing to the very right hand tip of the index line. Logic indicates that the bike has new rear brake pads, right? Unfortunately, I have been wrong before. If they are indeed new brake pads, is there a simple remedy for the squeal? |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by Dave on 02/24/16 at 04:01:49 The rear shoes never seem to wear out - they do get dirty, and unfortunately when you wash your bike (or it gets rained on), the brake drum is holding water inside as the sidestand is tipping the bike over to the right side. The rust gets scraped off the brake drum and gets embedded into the brake shoes.....and they get squeally. (It is very important not to wash your bike and let it sit....you need to ride it for 10 minutes to get the water out of the nooks and crannys). Take the rear wheel off, clean any rust and dirt off the drum with emery cloth or steel wool, then do the same with the brake shoes. Here is a link that shows what you can expect in a bike that has been in storage and not ridden for a few years. Go to post #10 and you can see what the rear drum looked like....if I had ridden the bike before cleaning the drum - the rust would have contaminated the shoes. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1440293732 |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/24/16 at 04:40:04 Those "Meds " are available at the local Bottle Barn. Being a mechanic at heart, regardless of ability, I find myself reaching for a screwdriver, late in the day, and I just plain Like a few dark beers. Hire someone, pay for their tools. Getting in and out of the clutch cover is not a big deal. A 1/4" drive socket set, ratchet, I'd want an extension and wobble, cuz I like having stuff. A set of metric wrenches, The through bolts that hold the pegs, and sidestand, have to come off, so, blocking up under the frame to keep it standing is needed. IIRC, I used a come-along , rafter in the shop, rope on the frame. Tank off, which is a hassle, but that is just how I do stuff.. If you decide to pull the tank prepare a place to set it down first. The speedo cable doesn't look like it would not appreciate the load, I want at least six inches for it to curve. I MAY have gotten everything off and slipped the through bolts in and put the sidestand back on, so access to the engine guts are easier to get at. One chain guide is replaceable without going too deep. Might need to get the head cover off, I can't remember. Exhaust has to come off. It's not technically difficult, doesn't take a lot of tools. The labor costs saved will buy the tools and leave money in your pocket. |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by Art Webb on 02/24/16 at 08:47:04 I think a few members have indicated they did the verslavy with the bike laying on its side? 'Didn't even have to drain the oil, IIRC the bike lifts easy with a come along and a tree, or even a ratchet strap Hell, I regularly picked the back end of mine up and set it on a block Once, in a testosterone and adrenaline induced moment of desperation and courage (and probably stupidity) I lifted the whole fool bike out of the back of a truck all by my lonesome, though I wouldn't recommend anyone else try it ;D |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by hawk41 on 02/24/16 at 12:08:19 Great info & advice guys! This morning I was finishing up the title paperwork with the seller, and, although he was not able to give me any contact info of the guy he bought it from, he did say it was an older gentleman who was a mechanic. That makes sense as one of the first mods I did was to drill holes in the stock muffler to get at least a better sound. When I went to remove the plug over the idle mixture screw I found it had already been removed. I doubt that it fell out by itself. Along with the new rear brakes and there appears to have been a new gasket installed (just a bit showing) on the side case (shifter side), it may be that other important work has been completed. My curiosity has been aroused so I will bite the bullet and check out the cam chain myself. I will let you know what I find. Wouldn't it be a "hoot" if a Versy has been already installed? |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by hawk41 on 03/11/16 at 13:21:30 Well! Removed the side case today and found that the cam chain adjuster was about maxed out but the cam chain seems to be OK. Ordered a Versy and am anxious to get back on the road again. :) |
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Title: Re: New cam chain or not? Post by norm92de on 03/11/16 at 14:46:00 Good for you! Any help you may need is available here. Buying tools is cheap and they last "forever," paying for a mechanic is expensive and you are never sure if the person really knows their stuff. The willingness and expertise on this site will amaze you and is very gratifying. :) |
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