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Title: apple and the g men Post by thumperclone on 02/22/16 at 22:59:32 im on the fence on this one no master key for sure but if they are forced to open one phone where does it stop |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by WebsterMark on 02/23/16 at 06:10:00 Where will it stop? If there's ever a question on this forum where we could get a high level of agreement, it's probably this one. I think most of us know the answer: it won't. |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by verslagen1 on 02/23/16 at 07:40:27 and if this isn't a marketing ploy... huge kudos to apple for having a phone that even the feds can't hack into. |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by Serowbot on 02/23/16 at 07:47:48 From what I've read,.. they've already done it 70 times... Now, they suddenly grow a spine?... Nope... They just don't bad PR.... Apple is not my favorite company... :-? I lean towards the national security in this case... I wouldn't want to see it allowed in all criminal cases, but... national security must have some weight... Maybe not allow it as admissible in court, but just be allowed for investigative purposes... i.e.,.. finding terrorist associates... JMHO... and it goes against my core principals... :-/ |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by WebsterMark on 02/23/16 at 08:29:35 just listen to show on this and learned a few things. what the FBI wants is for Apple to write software and install only on this phone that disables the feature that prevents more than 10 guesses at the password. the fbi wants to be able to guess a million times if necessary until they get the right one and get in. The other issue is this phone is not "owned" by the dead guy but by his employer. Finally, the dead guy turned off the cloud backup feature a month or so before the shooting which is why the company (the owner) cant get the info. not sure if those facts change anyone's mind or not. |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by verslagen1 on 02/23/16 at 08:42:38 what if they've already hacked in? and needed some time to locate a few people? |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by oldNslow on 02/23/16 at 09:14:39 " There is nothing new in the realization that the Constitution sometimes insulates the criminality of a few in order to protect the privacy of us all. " - Antonin Scalia Sucks to be you,FBI. Get over it. |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by old.indian on 02/23/16 at 09:30:56 As an FYI : Back in the olden days before cell phones, personal computers, the internet, and rampant political correctness. If the FBI wanted to "tap" a phone or obtain call records they needed to obtain a detailed warrant from a federal court and serve it to the Telephone Company Legal who then hand carried the information down the chain to the technician who would actually perform the circuit work, or print out the past bills. Every one involved on the corporate side was obligated to silence subject to termination and legal prosecution. That was in the "mechanical" age. Today's digital age .... Well.... A few keystrokes and your personal information and privacy are toast...... |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by Paraquat on 02/23/16 at 11:04:29 635D5C50425E5F310 wrote:
How'd that work out? --Steve |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by pg on 02/23/16 at 16:17:00 It is really hard for me to believe this is not just a circus side show. First, they have already given access to various alphabet agencies. Second, all that information from a smart telephone is going to go through multiple servers. I would suspect it shouldn't be to hard to find nearly all the information they may be interested in. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by oldNslow on 02/23/16 at 19:24:45 verslagen1 wrote: Quote:
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BINGO ! The Feds don't actually give a crap about what's on this particular phone. They want the KEY to everything. The FBI seems to be winning the PR fight on this one by a slim but not insignificant margin. Next time it will be easier. An the next time and the time after that ..... "National security" greases a lot of skids. |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/24/16 at 16:11:04 Funny how important it is now. I mean, at this point in time What difference does it make? Not even sure if they did it, myself. Allegations of three white guys have surfaced. And, what's the deal? Pre 9-11, this guy was On the Radar, so to speak, but, Ohhh, NO, can't go there. Special Report: A Review of the FBI's Handling of Intelligence ... https://oig.justice.gov › special › chapter4 Minneapolis wanted to obtain a warrant to search Moussaoui's computer and ... FBI Headquarters did not believe sufficient grounds existed for a criminal warrant, ... after dropping out of the course and overstayed his allowed length of stay. Why Didn't the FBI Fully Investigate Moussaoui? - TIME Time Magazine › content › nation › article May 23, 2002 - Not denying the charges: FBI Director Mueller ... to seek a search warrant of Moussaoui's computer. FBI Flaws Alleged by Field Staff (washingtonpost.com) propagandamatrix.com › fbi_flaws_alleg... Search Story Archive by Keyword: ... Minneapolis FBI agents investigating terror suspect Zacarias Moussaoui last August ... have allowed the government to search Moussaoui's laptop computer without ... TRACES OF TERROR - THE TERROR SUSPECT - F.B.I. Denial ... The New York Times › 2002/06/07 › tra... Jun 7, 2002 - Federal officials say that if Mr. Moussaoui's computer and other ... The struggle over the warrant did not end until the ... to search the laptop that had been taken from Moussaoui, .... Should Beach Privatization Be Allowed? The strange case of Zacarias Moussaoui: FBI refused to ... World Socialist Web Site › mous-j05 Jan 5, 2002 - The case of Zacarias Moussaoui raises many questions about the conduct of the FBI and other US ... |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by Trippah on 03/12/16 at 07:27:31 My time in Military Intelligence, especially at the counter-terrorism desk at DIA, was a wake up call of how many people in the world hate us- either on religious, ethnic, or historical post US "interventions" basis. It may seem unfair, but after we have bombed out villages, defoliated jungles and raised cancer etc rates all over the world, some people take exception to our behavior. That being said, if you are charged with trying to protect the US, you would like every tool available to save your friends, family and neighbors. It is a powerful motivator to ignore boundaries legal or illegal. Personally, I am against the governments' understandable desire to know everything about everyone because, SOMEONE will use that information for political or financial gain rather than what we would agree to have the info used. |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by DesertRat on 03/12/16 at 13:21:56 Why ASK Apple for the keys? Just get the NSA to do it behind our backs. "Ignorance and indifference is bliss." - serf |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by old.indian on 03/12/16 at 14:27:31 Every time a politician or a government agency wants to do something questionable or downright shady, they claim it is in the interest of "National Security"..... ::) |
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Title: Re: apple and the g men Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/12/16 at 22:29:05 You REALLY expect me to believe they don't have everything they want off that phone? Boy, if that's True then the taxpayers deserve a HUGE refund. But then, it DID take Russia bombing Isis to mark their location so our guys could find them. Shadowboxing, maneuvering, weighing and measuring. Seeing Just how many people would give up privacy and personal security for everyone to imagine that the loss is offset by security from Bad People. san bernardino three white × ALLNEWSVIDEOSSHOPPINGIMAGESMAPSBOOKSFLIGHTSAPPSSEARCH TOOLS San Bernardino Shooting Witnesses Claim 3 White Men, Not The ... anonhq.com › san-bernardino-shooting-... Dec 10, 2015 - What do you know about the San Bernardino shooting? That a married couple – Syed Rizwan Farook, ... San Bernardino False Flag: Multiple Witnesses Reported Three ... www.infowars.com › san-bernardino-fals... Dec 7, 2015 - #BREAKING: Reports of an active shooter in San Bernardino. Police looking for 3 white males dressed ... BUSTED! San Bernadino shooters were three white men dressed in ... www.veteranstoday.com › 2015/12/07 Dec 7, 2015 - [Read Martin Hill's full report, Witness to San Bernardino Massacre Describes Shooters As Three ... “3 White Male Shooters” in San Bernardino - The Free Thought ... thefreethoughtproject.com › media-refusi... Dec 9, 2015 - Media Refusing to Cover Police & Witness Accounts of “3 White Male Shooters” in San Bernardino. Some people won't stop believing there was a ... Washington Post › news › 2015/12/22 Dec 22, 2015 - San Bernardino police chief Jarrod Burguan. (Stuart ... He did the San Bernardino shooting."] ... Burguan at first was told there were two to three white males shooting. But the shooters ... Eyewitnesses insist '3 shooters' in San Bernardino - WND.com WND.com › 2015/12 › eyewitnesses-insi... Dec 9, 2015 - A week after the terrorist attack in San Bernardino, ... "It looked like their skin color was white. Where is the 3rd San Bernardino shooter? - WND.com WND.com › 2015/12 › where-is-the-3rd... Dec 13, 2015 - He said the shooters were “three white men in military fatigues” who “took off” in a “black Impala or ... San Bernardino Shooting Eyewitness "3 Tall ... YouTube › watch Video for san bernardino three white Duration: 2:57 Posted: Dec 6, 2015 December 2, 2015, 6:36 PM| Sally Abdelmageed works at ... San Bernardino Attack Eye-Witness: "Three Tall White Men Did It ... Zero Hedge › news › san-bernardino-atta... Dec 6, 2015 - After all how can two shooters, a man and a petite woman, be mistaken for three white military men ... San Bernardino Shooting UPDATES: 2nd Witness “3 White ... WordPress.com › willyloman › san-bern... Dec 6, 2015 - by Scott Creighton There have been a couple new developments in the case of the San Bernardino ... |
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