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Title: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/20/16 at 10:38:05 Hey there everyone. I've been riding the Savage for about four years now and still consider myself a newbie. So, from one newbie to all others, check your front brake pads regularly, they do not last as long as car pads. Visual inspection can be misleading. I do an overall visual inspection about once a month. Last weekend after inspecting the bike it looked like the front brake pads were getting low. I went for a good long ride ordered the pads when I got home and they arrived yesterday. Today I thought do I go for a ride first or change the pads first? I decided to change the pads. The friction material was paper thin on one pad and though slightly thicker on the other, it was separating from the metal. These were EBC pads that I changed about 13,000 miles ago. Now I know that at 10k miles I better do an extra careful inspection, and what the heck, for the 10-15 bucks that the pads cost, just go ahead and replace them. Now I will be stopping somewhere to get some brake fluid and bleed the brakes. This was a good educational experience for me, just like when Versy found that my handle bars were loose and he tightened them up for me. Actually since then is when I do my visual inspection every four weeks or so. Ride safe my friends. Thump on! :) |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Rambler on 02/20/16 at 11:59:21 Good to know |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Tocsik on 02/20/16 at 14:58:10 Yeah. Had to replace mine after 6800 miles. EBC organics. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/20/16 at 18:21:16 I wonder... It's been said around here to upgrade to the Kevlar, aka "organic" pads for safety. Are they grabbier compared to the stock pads? I don't know much about brakes, but I remember that Kevlar can be grabby in clutches, compared to the rubber-impregnated cork (not brakes, I know). Which is worse safety-wise, an increased tendency for lockup from grabbier pads, or the weak performance of the stock pads? :-/ Better pads would be cool. I could use better brakes. But then, the increased risk of lockup could be a bad thing. :-/ What do I do? |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/20/16 at 18:28:17 Are the organics same as stock? I don't know much about this yet. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Kris01 on 02/20/16 at 19:32:20 Organic pads don't chew up the rotors as bad as metallic pads. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/20/16 at 21:37:50 The EBC organic pads actually have kevlar in them. I do not know what was stock on my S40 but the organic EBC pads that I just replaced did a great job. Having said that, the ebay vendor this week sent me EBC FA106R which is a copper sintered pad which is not what I ordered. I put them on the bike however as the other pads were totally worn out. I do not like these sintered pads, they are very noisy (they groan) and I feel they do not stop the bike as well as the organic pads. I actually removed them, cleaned the disk with steel wool and put them back on. Tomorrow I will ride some more to see how they feel. I have asked the ebay vendor to replace with the correct one or to refund me. We'll see what happens. >:( |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Art Webb on 02/21/16 at 08:33:49 pads on my S40 were gone at 4000, and i mean the sound of the great barrier reef every time you hit the brakes Savages eat brake pads, do you ride the curvy roads a lot (unless you're MM and never touch the fool brakes) |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/21/16 at 10:50:28 How do you compare the EBC pads to the Volar Kevlar-carbon pads? I was going to order some. For less than 8 bucks, it seems like a good deal for what you get. From what I've read, they work alright for basic stuff. Paying 20-30 bucks for something that's not much better doesn't seem to be a good deal. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/21/16 at 12:52:07 6D7E787B696E6E0C0 wrote:
Yes, a reasonable portion of my commute includes twisty back roads. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/21/16 at 13:21:59 Does anyone have experience with the $6 brake pads on Ebay? How cheap can you get before the product gets so trashy that it disintegrates in your hands? ;D What's the limit to a trustworthy set of brakes for an unbelievably cheap price? |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by MMRanch on 02/21/16 at 13:40:03 Savages eat brake pads, do you ride the curvy roads a lot (unless you're MM and never touch the fool brakes) :-? The front only lasted 22,000 miles and they started making an awful racket on our late summer Dragon trip. :-X. I never want to replace the rear drum so I don't use it except for maneuvering at low speeds. ;) |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Dave on 02/21/16 at 15:29:03 With brake pads....you generally get what you pay for. Cheap pads generally are noisy, and often don't have a good coefficient of friction and aren't good at slowing the bike down. The EBC Organics have proven to be very good pads for the Savage....and they don't make noise and do as good of a job as any pads we have tried, and they don't beat up the rotor in the process. I put a set of Bikemaster Organics on the Rescue bike.....they seem to be similar to the EBC pads. Don't try the EBC Carbon X or anybody's sintered pads....they are too hard and don't work well on the Savage. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/21/16 at 20:16:11 I rode my bike some more today to see if I could get used to the EBC FA106R pads the ebay vendor sent me when I actually ordered the FA106 (organic pads). The R pads still seem like they do not stop as well as the organics and they are definitely not as smooth in the stopping action and they continue to groan incredibly loud. I also did some research on EBC pads and found that the R pads are intended for off road use, they are motocross pads. If the vendor had wanted to send me sintered pads for street use it would have been EBC FA106V. I hope to get a response from the vendor tomorrow and depending on how he intends to remedy this I may just try a carbon/kevlar set from Volar or Sixity for $8.00 while I wait for my replacement EBC organic pads. I see that the Bikemaster are a bit cheaper than EBC but only by about 4 bucks. I am guessing these (8 dollar pads) will work properly though may not last as long as the EBC. Well, let's see what happens tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by hotprops on 02/21/16 at 20:38:07 should you buy the 106 not the 106r or 106v? |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/21/16 at 21:46:55 You can look it up. The plain 106 is the organic, which you want. The others consist of other materials. You don't want them. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Art Webb on 02/22/16 at 08:33:44 3B383A21262F252926480 wrote:
I think the 106 R are race pads, not motocross pads, race tracks are off road, too, and R for Race makes a certain sense Also, while no one with any sense would call a Savage a track bike, you'd heave to be really silly to call it a motocross bike ;D |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/22/16 at 08:50:43 No Art, I did my research, the EBC FA106R was developed for off road use. The so-called equivalent to the R suffix for street use is the V suffix. I got the info directly from EBC. Do the R pads work on the S40? Yes. Will they last longer than the organic pads? Probably. Do they work as well as the organic pads? It depends, they are not as smooth and their initial bite is not as strong under my normal riding conditions. I understand that as they heat up they will bite quicker but unless I am at the Dragon, I really will not be doing repeated braking. Anyway, at this point I figured I might as well just try this out and report back on them as the vendor will not be exchanging them. I have also ordered a set of Volar organics for $7.70 from ebay and will try those out also shortly as i doubt I will keep the FA106R pads on the bike for long as they just do not feel right and are horribly noisy. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/22/16 at 08:55:53 Hey Hotprops. In response to your question I would say buy the FA106 kevlar/organic pads. I have not tried their V pads, but V would be the correct suffix for the pads for street use. If the V pads are anything like the R pads I suspect you will not like them based on their initial lack of bite. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/22/16 at 21:38:02 Bought the Volar Kevlar-carbon pads earlier this past day. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by stinger on 02/23/16 at 01:09:48 Huh? I have only replaced my front brake pads twice on my 02. The second set is still in great shape as well as my rear brake pads. I just hit 56,000 miles. You riding with your foot on the brakes? |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Dave on 02/23/16 at 04:47:02 6C6B7671787A6D1F0 wrote:
It all depends on how you ride. If you cruise around enjoying the scenery, and don't brake aggressively....the front pads last a long time. If you chase Oldfeller and MMRanch around a couple times a year on the Dragon trips.....you can wear out your pads in very short order. It is not uncommon to turn the front rotor a nice shade of purple after a spirited run on the Dragon, Cherohala Skyway or Route 32. I don't believe anyone has actually worn out a set of rear brake shoes. They may get a bit squeaky after they get really old - but they never seem to wear out. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Art Webb on 02/23/16 at 07:54:35 My front rotor was blue to purple most of the dragon trip, and I'm SLLOOOOWWWW compared to MM, OF and dave (and everyone else ;D) |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/23/16 at 12:04:05 Dave, I'm glad to see your comment regarding the back brakes as I was thinking a better take a look at them but really did not feel like removing the wheel from the bike. I will look at the rear brake when I change rear tire again. Hey cheapnewbie, I guess you and I will be the test dummies for the Volar pads. Let us know when you put them on and what you think about them. I'll poet on my experience with them also. Now that you also got the Volar I almost wish I would have gotten the Sixity pads just so we could have another set of pads to report on. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/23/16 at 12:07:34 Stinger, I do not know what to say to you. 56k miles on one set of pads, incredible!!! I have to admit though that even though I may not ride as spiritedly as some of the most experienced guys here, I do get a bit feisty on the bike every now and then. ;D ;D ;D And yes, that definitely contributes to faster pad wear. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Dave on 02/23/16 at 12:35:19 2A292B30373E343837590 wrote:
I can testify that hearing Steve's 800 pound Harley snarling just a few feet from my back tire......caused me to brake really late and really hard on quite a few of the corners! I couldn't out accelerate him....so I had to see if I make each straight section last a few more feet farther than he could....and then brake with everything I had! |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/23/16 at 14:23:07 Dave, I'm glad I did not try to keep up with you and Steve on the dragon. I was happy just trying to keep Versy in my line of sight, which was actually not that easy a task for me. Every time I thought I would loose sight of him traffic would slow him down. I have to admit I never thought to look at my rotor after finishing the ride. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Art Webb on 02/23/16 at 14:49:26 Having had Steve behind me on some of those roads, I can attest to the intimidation factor of that big monster he rides on my rear tire Simultaneously made me want to go slower and faster (slower won, of course) I was seriously afraid he was gonna punt me off the road |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by old_rider on 02/24/16 at 23:11:48 First thing I did when we purchased our bikes was to put new pads on them. And have a shop put them on! LOL, well change the wife's tires so I had them put my prepurchased pads on it. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Dave on 02/25/16 at 05:27:31 I did try the FA106 Xpads once....it was a mistake. The front brake felt like I had wood for brake pads. They didn't want to slow the bike down, and you had to squeeze really hard to get them to do anything. They were not something that you would want in your bike if you had to scrub off speed in a hurry. The shape of the pads in the Savage is the same as some dirt bikes and ATV calipers, and that unfortunately makes it possible to fit pads in the Savage caliper that don't provide good braking performance for our street use. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by MMRanch on 02/25/16 at 08:29:47 I don't have much to add in a brake conversation but it was good to get this flash-back from last summer : ;D I can testify that hearing Steve's 800 pound Harley snarling just a few feet from my back tire.. and the way he would holler :o , when his floorboards would drag ! ;D, ;D ;D I guess it was "Scream or Slow Down" and Screaming was the way to keep-up ? Either way Steve is a FUN Feller ! ;D you people know Steve is probably dragging floorboards all over Atlanta every time he gets his bagger out now. So , Did we create a monster or just discover one ? ::) |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/25/16 at 08:58:32 Hey MM, I think we just helped to bring out the monster. In talking with Steve I know that the has been riding for a long time and had some adventures. I do not believe though that he had ever had an adventure like the Dragon. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/25/16 at 09:00:02 Back to talking about brake pads. It appears this vendor is not going to make things right. If that is the case I will post his info so everyone is aware. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Dave on 02/25/16 at 09:23:18 6E6D6F74737A707C731D0 wrote:
I think a big problem is.....that you took them out of the package and used them. That makes it impossible for the seller to do anything with them once he gets them back. If you had sent them back unopened and unused - most likely it would have gone better. If you used PayPal to pay for them.....you may still be able to have them rule in your favor and grant you a refund of your money. You will have to show them that what was listed is not the same as what was sent to you. I am not sure how they will address the fact that you have opened the package and used the pads.....it is a bit of a gamble. Your other options are to put them in the bottom of your saddlebag as a spare set to get you home safely if you ever need them.....or list them on eBay and sell them to get some of your money back. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/25/16 at 11:56:47 Thanks for the suggestions Dave. The pads were $14.00 total so I am not overly concerned about the money. I should have just tried to return them without opening them but I guess I figured that if they fit the bike they would work just as well, if not better than the other ones. And the ones I had on the bike were toast, and I wanted to go for a ride. Paying $14.00 for a lesson on internet buying is not bad. I learned my lesson, read all the fine print before purchasing. Don't trust that the large type is telling the whole story, if there is small type, read it. C'est la vie! |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Dave on 02/25/16 at 14:36:38 Yeah.....$ 14 is not all that hard of a lesson. My lesson on the FA106X pads was at full retail....about twice the cost of your lesson. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/25/16 at 15:34:27 Oh well, at least I gained some knowledge for all of us, that being that that the EBC FA106R is not really a good pad for our bikes. And you Dave, gave us the same knowledge concerning the FA106X. And like I said I will report back on the Volar pads. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/25/16 at 15:36:01 Hey MM, I invited Steve to come to the 3 Sisters but he cannot make it. Maybe he will show up at one of the other rides. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by MMRanch on 02/25/16 at 16:34:10 SpringMan , tell Steve if he wants to go to Texas --- then I'll ride my Harley so he won't be out-of-place ! ::) Hay : Last summer my pads started screaming on that Dragon Run and I payed ?? $30.oo ?? for a set of pads and still don't know what kind I got --- I was just glad to get a set ! :P At the time I would have give ya $20. for the extra ones you have. ;) |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Art Webb on 02/25/16 at 20:32:11 Steve is welcome on any ride I'm on, as long as he's in FRONT of me ;D |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/26/16 at 19:44:57 OK ya'll, here is the update. Vendor refused to exchange rotors or refund money. He says that in his ad he indicates that an FA106R or V may be shipped. He actually does say that in small print (I went to read his whole ad after the fact). However all the large print indicates FA106 and even says it twice so to me it is bait and switch and apparently ebay agrees with me as ebay is going to refund my money. So stay away from ebay vendor "TRICOUNTYPARTS08", he is not a reliable vendor. And if you are wondering, yes I did tell ebay when I filed my complaint with them that I would inform all my friends on the motorcycle forums of the outcome. So, ebay did good, TRICOUNTYPARTS08 did not. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by KennyG on 02/26/16 at 20:00:49 Springman, Good for you! I recently had a lousy meal in a restaurant with lousy service and when I filled out the Discover Card slip I indicated "No Tip" When I looked at my Discover Card online there was a $2.00 tip showing. I immediately called Discover Card and they took care of it. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/26/16 at 23:24:33 You mean this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/EBC-BRAKE-PADS-FA106-FA-106-SUZUKI-RM125-RM250-GZ250-LS650-SAVAGE-S40-BOULEVARD-/252198729785?hash=item3ab8373839:g:UvEAAOSwNphWYZ47&vxp=mtr I think he's gotcha on that one. :-/ I was tempted to take the deal myself several days ago. It seemed like a great deal. However, it turns out that the pads may be one of several variants of FA106. I don't think the organic is included. Also, these pads are stated to be old. I don't know much about aging of brake pads, but I guess that's not good either. I'm fairly careful and patient with my shopping, so I was able to catch it. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/26/16 at 23:34:23 Nice to hear EBay took your side. :) You've gotta be careful. The devil's in the details. :-/ Technically, they are all FA106, sorta :-/-- R, V, or X-- that is. :-/ I had a vendor one time email me about an item I bought with a generic picture in the description. They were worried that there may be some confusion. Fortunately, I knew what I was getting, so there was no problem. Now that was a great vendor. :) Unfortunately, I wasn't happy with the fork boots they sent me (Daystar 83 series), but that was probably the manufacturer's problem. ;) The 83 series is probably crap anyway. I ended up getting the 58's that everybody loves. ;) |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/26/16 at 23:38:32 Isn't it true that FA106 without any suffix refers to the organic pads? Hmmm... maybe that's why there was a problem. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/27/16 at 14:04:16 That's the one Cheapnewb24. I did not bother to read the whole thing. It said FA106 in large print and that was all I needed. Yes, the FA106 with ot suffix is the kevlar/organic pad. And I guess ebay agrees with me that I should not have to read all the small print that basically says "well it's not really an FA106". Anyway, lesson learned. Hey, did you get your Volar pads today? I did not. I was sure hoping to put them on my bike today and go for a ride. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/27/16 at 21:22:29 Haven't received mine yet either. I did ride this evening, though. It was pretty cold for my dress, but I didn't have to go far. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 16:41:00 Got my Volar pads today in the mail and put them on. Sanded the rotor a little with 400 grit. They squeaked at first and didn't grip well, but once quiet and settled in, they seem at least marginally better than the old ones, which appeared to be some unknown red-branded organic pad. Not sure though. Might post some pictures later. I didn't use any silicone or anti-squeal, so they are naturally quiet on my bike. Even the old ones were usually quiet unless the wheel was removed and reinstalled. Then it would have to settle back in. I didn't go through a gentle break-in period. Since I am testing these pads, I did a few sudden stops. They work. One thing I noticed is a somewhat firmer feel in the lever. I know that if the front brake is jabbed suddenly without using the rear brake or progressive pressure, the front tire may lock. Otherwise, they still appear to be old-fashioned anti-lock brakes. ;) Once the front tire has the bike's weight, you can almost bottom out the lever. Not sure If I have managed to really bottom it out, though. Does this mean the front tire simply has enough grip, or is the brake fading? |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 17:44:22 A picture |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 17:46:35 Another |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 17:47:52 Another |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 17:49:18 And another |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 17:51:04 and another |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 17:52:28 and another |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 17:53:37 I think I could have squeezed a little more service out of the old ones. Wha da ya think? |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by gizzo on 02/29/16 at 17:56:39 That's good: you're not supposed to break brakes in gently. Have a Google for break in procedure. If you treat them gently from new, they squeal and don't work as well as they could. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 18:05:39 That makes me feel a little better. I wondered if I wasn't grinding them down prematurely. The old ones measured 1.5-2 mm, meaning that they still had a little service life left. They don't squeal, and they seem to do the job. Savage brakes aren't much. Since I'm a newbie, I don't have a keen sense for judging brake pads. There have been a review or two to mention that these pads may not do well for heavy use. A Savage ain't a race bike anyway, so who cares? :-? Maybe one of the more skilled riders can tell the difference? :-? When you sink up the lever once you're well set into deceleration, and you don't lock up, does that simply mean that the front now has a lot of traction, or does that indicate brake fade? :-? |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 18:21:53 Can anyone lock their front on dry asphault? I don't mean jabbing the front, but once you use the rear brake and gently sink up the front lever, giving the front tire maximum traction, can anyone lock their front tire on dry asphault with good rubber (fresh Shinko 712F, 39 psi)? |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/29/16 at 18:32:21 Hey Cheapnewb24, I'm glad you posted all those pictures cause my volar pads are the exact same ones. I just got mine on the bike and went for a brief ride. First of all, they are quiet. Second, they seem to grab pretty well. I did a few hard stops and as best I can tell I am stopping as well as with the EBC pads. Now we nee to see how long they last. By the way, overall first impression, these are much better than the FA106R that I am returning to the vendor. The brake lever does feel a good bit firmer but I suspect that is because there is so much more pad material now (no I did not bleed them yet). Hopefully I will get to do some riding later in the week and will let you know how they feel. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 18:51:00 Are the new brake pads typical of organic? There's a bit of what looks like copper imbedded in them. Do they look like EBC pads? $7 vs $30-- What's the difference? I gather that some people don't like these pads-- or any Kevlar organic pad, for that matter. They prefer sintered pads, but supposedly, our rotors are too soft for those, right? :-? http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/brake-pads-kevlar-carbon-vs-sintered-metal.793448/ |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 18:54:42 I would think that the worn ones would be firmer. Wouldn't more brake material be more compressible than less? Or does it have to do with the amount of piston travel? Does more brake fluid in the brake cylinder cause more give in the brakes? I know they like to teach that liquids and solids aren't really compressible, but I think they do compress a little. Let's get an engineer in here... Dave! Get in here! ;D |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 18:58:17 2023213A3D343E323D530 wrote:
Did you notice all this before you saw my post? :-? If so, that would do well to confirm my findings. Nice to hear that someone noticed the same. Maybe it's not placebo or something. :) |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/29/16 at 19:05:10 The the different colored bits that you see in the pads should be kevlar as these are kevlar organic. I believe the reason the brake lever feels firmer is as you indicated, less piston travel with the same amount of brake fluid. And no, liquid is not compressible. There could be a bit of hose expansion that you might feel or at worst possibly some air in the line. I was trying to figure out what pads your old ones are but the only ones I could see with a red backing plate are EBC X pads. But I cannot say I know what brand those old pads are. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 02/29/16 at 19:06:16 I did actually notice the firmer feel of the brake lever. You confirmed for me that I did not imagine it. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 19:27:28 Awesome! :) I wonder if the rubber line swelling isn't a good thing. There is a company that sells a little device that bolts onto the brake system to give it some "give," thereby reducing the chance of lockup while retaining braking performance. I can't say that everyone believes it works, though. ::) http://www.tcbbrakesystems.com/ |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 19:36:54 By the way, Springman, do you have the Shinko 712 rear or the 230? I was thinking of trying the 712. Do you have the stock rear fender? How much clearance do you get? |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 19:53:13 After doing some reading, I read some things about periodically changing brake lines. Do I need to worry about that? :-? I read about stainless steel lines, but they need more replacing and can fail unexpectedly. Gotta burn more money now? :( |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 20:19:06 Another picture |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 20:20:21 A picture after I washed the pads. The camera is terrible, but you might be able to see that there is a lot of copper in these old pads. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 20:20:58 another |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/29/16 at 20:23:45 Semi-sintered? Or do organic pads have this much copper? It's harder to see the copper in the picture compared to one's own eyes. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by gizzo on 03/01/16 at 03:22:29 717A7773627C7765702026120 wrote:
Its not a bad idea to change the hoses now and again. OTOH my savage still sports the sqidgy old 1986 hose. It seems ok. So its up to you. My other bikes have braided and I don't see any need to go back to rubber. I prefer the better feel of the non expandable braided ones. And looks the goods. More important is changing brake fluid every couple years. You'll feel that difference, for sure. I can't lock the front at normal speed (i did once going really slow, just to see if). |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 03/01/16 at 08:47:59 Hey Cheapnewbe24, looks like you had sintered or semi-metallic pads previously. Yes, I have the Shinko 712 on the rear with standard rear fender and have not had any issues. I am actually on my second Shinko 712 rear tire and I feel that specially for the money it is a really good tire. When I replace the front tire (currently a Pirelli) I will replace with a Shinko 230. I am not sure about how much clearance I have with the 712 but as I said I have not had any issues. I have the original shocks and fully dressed with riding gear I am close to 190 lbs. in weight. I do not know about failure rate of braided steel hoses but I do understand they give a better feel. I've never used them. As far as replacing the rubber ones my understanding is that you replace them if the rubber is starting to look bad. So if it looks OK and works OK, no need to spend more money. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 03/01/16 at 09:04:06 I'm currently using the 712 front, and I like it fairly well. But since I don't have much experience to go by, who knows? ::) I put close to 39 psi in both tires recently, and I kinda like it. The 712 front has 40 psi max, though, so that's about all I can do. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by verslagen1 on 03/01/16 at 09:05:52 no pics/links... it didn't happen. |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by cheapnewb24 on 03/01/16 at 09:08:05 3B283F3E212C2A28237C4D0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by Art Webb on 03/01/16 at 14:00:59 Springman, Cheap, the only time I ever locked my front wheel on the S40 was when I grabbed way too much lever banked over past my comfort zone, other than that, no lockup ever Springman if you didn't open the hydraulic system and aren't planning to replace your brake fluid there is absolutely no reason to bleed the brake, brake systems are sealed and don't lose fluid unless something is wrong or you open the system Source: literally 100's of 'pad slaps' on Taxis (I can do front pads on a Chevy Lumina in 10 minutes flat ;D) |
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Title: Re: Can you say "Paper Thin"? Post by springman on 03/01/16 at 21:07:34 Well, I rode the bike to work today, about a 70 mile round trip and very happy to say the Volar kevlar/organic pads are great. As best I can tell the stopping power is the same as the EBC kevlar/organic. Now to see how long they last, how they brake in the rain, and if I make it to the Dragon this year, see if they do not fade under hard use. Well, for now that concludes my reporting on the Volar pads. I will try to report back after a few thousand miles. Thump on! |
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