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Title: Helmet Cam Post by DavidP on 02/05/16 at 12:55:16 Hi Folks, I am thinking that it might be interesting to get a helmet cam but I really don't know too much about them. From what I have read he GoPro seems to be the gold standard but also seems to be somewhat expensive (for what might be a toy that I get bored with). Are any of you using a camera and if so what do you recommend? Are there any must have features, any pros or cons to the system you are using. Thanks David |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by Dave on 02/05/16 at 16:37:17 I am in the same position as you....uncertain about what to get and how much I would use it. The technology also moves very quickly - so the longer I wait the cheaper and better the cameras become. Last year I was interested in the Ion as it was much more self contained and smaller than the GoPro - but now the smaller GoPro might be a good price and size for the basic camera work I most likely need. I am sure it takes practice to get the camera aimed properly - I have seen a lot of videos on YouTube where the camera angle doesn't give a good field of vision. Sometimes you can get a pretty good deal on eBay - some folks need a group of cameras for a special project - then sell them afterwards when they don't need multiple cameras anymore. Springman is the only member on the site that I have seen use a GoPro. |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by gizzo on 02/05/16 at 20:32:52 These are very good https://www.mobius-actioncam.com/ You need to spend some time setting up the mount because they don't have a screen to view the image. But, picture quality is good, it's tiny and light and pretty cheap. a lot of guys use them on RC models and as helmet cams. |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by Serowbot on 02/05/16 at 21:14:01 Most important,... You want a lens 120' wide angle or more...(this will smooth the shots and prevent underwater effect from vibration)... You want a good mount... (on your body is best... this will smooth the shots, using your body's natural shock absorption).... hard mounting to the bike is never as good.... Somewhere between eyes and chest level works best... (shows a bit of tank and bars,.. along with road and sky)... Beyond that,.. you pay for resolution,.. battery life,... and durability... and fancy stuff ( wifi, bluetooth, etc)... I like a rear lcd screen, with menu's... (they are more descriptive, and easy to use)... Go-pro is the pricey standard.... sj1000, 2000, 4000, are cheaper with some better features, but less selection in mounts and accessories... Many others out there too... I have an old low res, GoPro... and a newer sj1000 (I haven't really used yet, beyond a few tests)... Visual/audio quality is easy... good mounting, and ease of use, are the things that make the difference... Best luck... Show me some fun rides... ;) |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by Oldfeller on 02/06/16 at 05:54:53 :-? :-/ :-[ :( Be aware that GoPro is crashing as a company (according to various web pages and tweets). ...... GoPro may not be around in a year to take care of your stuff ..... The tech companies in general are not doing all that well of late and this isn't GoPro fault per se nor limited just to them. |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/06/16 at 06:56:41 I've seen some real cool footage. I can see it proving that someone ran over you. Or, well, could be a Very bad witness. I've seen some vacation slides, they were great. And some were deathly boring. There's upside and downside. I don't even have a cell phone. But I did carry a wind up bell and howell 8mm camera around when I was sixteen. Had a great time chasing cops ,fire truck, ambulances, and generally goofing off. I enjoy some videos posted, but I don't see Me providing the entertainment. IF you're a good, law abiding rider I can see it as a potential benefit should you get hit by someone. If you're someone who hits posted corners that say Twenty MPH and drag pegs thru at thirty, it might be evidence against you. Or, you Could go to Chicago and take a crash course on how to disable a camera just prior to beating someone to death. |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by DavidP on 02/06/16 at 07:46:36 Thank you everyone those are the responses I was hoping for. I checked out the Mobius site and the price / performance ratio looked good to me. As soon as I get a class M2 license (course booked for March 11 - 13) and the weather warms up I will let you know what I decided by posting a video. All the best DavidP |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by old_rider on 02/06/16 at 17:01:29 3 years ago I purchased an Emerson "Action Cam", for under $30... the case kind of reminds you of a goPro, but it is no where near a third of the quality. However that being said... it was worth the money, as I rarely use it for stuff and it does work... Open microphone makes for a crappy video sound.... and there is no Bluetooth to phone connection, it is just a turn on, start video and hope it is pointed it the general direction of the stuff you are wanting to film. Here is one I took on the dragon a few years back.... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1cmN0vwS4I [/media] |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by KennyG on 02/06/16 at 17:34:15 Old Rider, Based on the video that you posted I think the Emerson Action Cam would meet the needs of most of us. I notice that you too ride the inside of the corners as I do. Where did we pick that riding style up? Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by engineer on 02/06/16 at 17:57:22 I've had good results with an HP ac100 that I bought on Amazon for $30 but now they are around $50. Before the riding season starts I will buy another and hopefully better action cam. There is a British guy on youtube who reviews a lot of budget priced electronics and he is good at it. Just go to youtube and in the search box type in Techmoan action cams. You'll see lots of reviews by Techmoan, many are old and no longer relevant but some are only weeks old. Here is an example of one of his reviews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JhSJfxWNqQ He recently reviewed some very new ones that are gyro stabilized and that's what I plan to get. Techmoan is a biker himself and he also wrote a review about his Honda CTX-700 and has me interested in that bike. I am looking to replace my Guzzi this winter. I prefer a chest mount, I rigged up a way to attach the camera to the chest pocket of my riding jacket. It is a stable location and I adjust it so that the horizon is in the middle of the frame and the handle bars are visible in the lower portion. |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by old_rider on 02/06/16 at 22:15:16 Well, the local big lots doesn't have any more of those emerson action cameras... Ebay and Amazon are selling them for an average of $45, still not a bad deal... but a cheap used smart phone would work in a pinch, if you mount it right. I will experiment with my HTC Thunderbolt (5 or 6 year old smart phone), it has a 10mp camera in it, one of the best at the time and 16 gigs of storage... (although I think i've used a few gigs up for songs) Looking around on the ebay site there are several really cheap ones.... some for as low as $20... if you were just using them for small stuff, I think they would be fine, all chinese made... There is a jscam with wifi, that you can connect wirelessly with a cell phone or tablet, for about $50.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/WIFI-wireless-SJ4000-Waterproof-Sports-DV-1080P-HD-Video-Action-Camera-Camcorder-/301388440175?hash=item462c26a26f:g:lTAAAOSw~OdVVrsI And the cheap one of course.... no frills on this one.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Outdoor-Sport-Action-Helmet-Camera-Video-Car-DVR-A7-HD-1280-720-720P-BLCK-SJ4000-/361409031737?hash=item5425a82e39:g:hSkAAOSwKtlWlcLM This one is $65 but has a rifle barrel mount!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-F9-HD-1080P-Video-DV-Gun-Clip-Mount-Helmet-Sport-Action-Camera-For-Hunting-/291328503501?hash=item43d4882ecd:g:EAcAAOSw~OdVeSsR Watched a TON of the video reviews from Techmoan on you tube.... seems he likes this one for car cam... (he likes the roam 3 for helmet it has no mic) I think this one is compairable with the goPro cams but half the price.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Git2-Sports-Helemet-Waterproof-DV-Action-Camera-Ultra-2K-WiFi-Watch-Extra-Mic-/231822951815?hash=item35f9b98587:g:1a0AAOSw~otWc3Ui |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by Art Webb on 02/08/16 at 08:16:03 funny how that looks so much less intimidating on camera than when you actually ride it |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by DavidP on 02/08/16 at 13:19:00 Well what a great community this is. I really appreciate the advice and the links to reviews. I was sold on the GoPro 4 at $199 but then I saw the GIT2 at $159 and that seems to be a better product at a better price. I particularly like the digital stabilization which is a feature that the GIT1 does not have. Unless I find anything more appropriate the GIT2 it is. As an aside I saw the flashing LED brake light on RSD and ordered one. It arrived today and is now installed. Thanks everyone DavidP |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by old_rider on 02/08/16 at 20:53:57 694C5B44497D2D0 wrote:
Yes, I agree, the Git2 Pro is a great choice! I watched a ton of them...because well, I WANT a new camera, even though I don't NEED one :) Also, it would be nice to actually be able to talk while you ride, and see the video the camera is taking if you mount your phone or linked device on the bars or tank. I will be saving up for that one... and hopefully the price will drop in the next six months or so while i'm saving :) |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by gizzo on 02/08/16 at 21:28:14 Have not heard of the Git2 so went looking. Here it is on sale at $109 with free shipping . Sounds like a good deal. http://m.gearbest.com/action-cameras/pp_254191.html?gclid=CJPKv_D46coCFdckvQodHJ0AaA |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by old_rider on 02/08/16 at 21:53:47 73696D6F6E506172747269646765000 wrote:
no microphone or remote with that one :( |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by gizzo on 02/08/16 at 22:05:35 Oh. They have an external microphone then? In that case I guess it's not such a bargain. Well spotted, old mate. |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by Dave on 02/09/16 at 07:44:11 7E646062635D6C7F797F64696A680D0 wrote:
I am not sure that needing an external microphone is seen as a bad thing. So many of the motorcycle videos are just wind noise when the camera is mounted up in the airstream for a good view. If you could mount an external mic down by the engine or exhaust so that you got a good exhaust note - that would be a cool soundtrack and better than most of the heavy metal music that gets dubbed in. |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by DavidP on 02/09/16 at 08:28:43 Just for the sake of clarity it appears that there are two versions of the GIT2. The one at $159 is labelled Pro Packaging and I assumed that the difference was that it came with a variety of mounting adapters. Closer examination of the GITUP site shows that the GIT2 Pro does have a built in microphone but also supports an external one as well. I am still thinking that the GIT2 (Pro) is the one for me. DavidP |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by engineer on 02/09/16 at 13:02:48 Wind noise is a major spoiler of bike videos and the reason so many of them on Youtube play music in the background. An external mic is generally considered a plus. Some who mount the camera on their helmet or chest attach the mic to their jacket in the back, just above the seat. This reduces wind noise, valve train noise etc. and maximizes exhaust sounds. Here is a video review of that camera you are talking about, the Git2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X10JFBd94GM |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by gizzo on 02/09/16 at 21:04:43 There's probably a dead cat you can get for the external mike . |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by gizzo on 03/01/16 at 04:11:12 I've just been out paragliding with a buddy who is a camera fetishist and owns a pile of go pros. He showed me his new sjcam 4000 and totally raves about it. He says its as good as a go pro. I trust his evaluation. Might even go buy one... |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by springman on 03/01/16 at 12:13:55 I have a go pro and the real disadvantage is that it does not come with a screen. This Git camera sure looks like a good deal. |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by DavidP on 03/09/16 at 15:25:45 Well I eventually purchased the GIT2 with the Pro packaging and I am pretty pleased with the device. The recording resolution goes up to 2k and it has more features than I will ever use. There is an attachment for your helmet and one that fits to the handlebars (it also fits neatly onto the front indicator stalk). There are several other brackets although I had to purchase a suction cup to use it as a dash cam. Two negatives. I am old school and I like a paper manual, there is nothing with this other than a quick start fold out sheet and although it gets you kind of started I had to youtube to find out how it set up. The second minor whine is that the GIT2 iphone software is not available and they recommend a third party. Although this works and allows you to wifi the camera to your phone it does seem like they rushed the release. Anyway here is a video of my first adventure. Although the camera will go much higher I recorded this in 1080 because that is all youtube can do. Also I was so enthralled by the camera that I forgot to pull out the choke until I was on the road so lets not look at the first 100 feet. ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2H2PZDW8Lw DavidP |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by KennyG on 03/09/16 at 17:28:38 David, The camera works good, I would like to have one. Did you get it from Amazon? Looks like you have the same greedy dentists where you live that we have in North Texas. Nothing like building up a practice with speed bumps. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by engineer on 03/09/16 at 18:30:08 Hello Dave, I enjoyed your video and I plan to buy a new action cam before the riding season starts. I'm down to two choices, one like yours, the Git2 Pro package or the Sony AS200v. I prefer chest mount so the long slim Sony might look just plain stupid sticking out from the middle of my chest. Anyway thanks for the video link and keeping us informed on your choice of cameras. PS That's a great looking neighborhood you live in. |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by Kris01 on 03/09/16 at 19:06:41 I'm glad YOU know where the speed bumps are! As I was watching, I didn't see them coming up. I was wondering why you were stopping! ;D |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by Dave on 03/10/16 at 04:30:12 DavidP. Nice neighborhood - but I could not live on a street with speed bumps. You had to cross over more speed bumps than are in the entire County where I live! (I have a pretty good idea that with sledge hammer and large chisel.....I could clear out a path wide enough to ride a motorcycle through). I noticed several places in the video where the pictures had some glitches and got confused squares showing up.....and in a few other places it seemed there were square "ghosts" that stood out....mostly close to the bike where the moving pavement was (I guess the camera can't reproduce the fast pavement movement near the camera) - I don't own an action camera....so I don't know what to expect from them. |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by old_rider on 03/10/16 at 04:48:27 The resolution was fuzzing (digitizing) a lot... i'm thinking maybe you should drop it down while filming when moving quickly (higher speeds) as it seems it take the camera a little bit of time to reset to a clear shot. How about a dash cam video of the same road using the same setting going the same speed, but with the camera mounted inside a vehicle? That would be a good comparison to see if it was still fuzzing. I like the fact that I could not hear a bunch of wind noise....like my little emerson puts out. Did you buy the external microphone? or did you have one plugged in for this video? |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by engineer on 03/10/16 at 06:27:49 I have found that with my budget camera I get the best video when I step down from the highest resolution setting. At 1080p and 30 frames per second the motion looks a little strange but at 720p and 60 frames a second it looks good. With a new camera I hope to get a decent video at 1080p and 60 fps. Dave, your camera really did do a nice job of filtering out the wind noise. Was it in the water proof case or did you use an external mic? |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by DavidP on 03/10/16 at 10:01:52 Hi Folks, Thanks for all the nice comments. To answer the questions, Yes I bought it from Amazon, it was the same price as from the manufacturer but I know and like the Amazon return policy. Those speed bumps are still a contentious issue, sadly the vote to install them passed which just goes to show that democracy is the tyranny of the majority over the minority. The camera was inside its waterproof box and what you heard was the audio from the internal mic. In order to maintain the seal of the housing you cannot connect an external mic when it is the box. I shall have to record a conversation with it in the box to see how it records voices. I have used it as a car dash cam with it just in the frame and the internal mic picks up every sound (which is mainly a long litany of me offering helpful suggestions to my fellow motorists). With regard to the quality of the replay, I can tell you that the raw data is crystal clear. when I download to my PC and play in full screen the results are what you would expect at 1080. However here in the boonies my internet is not the fastest and I too noticed a degradation on the video. In fact to even get it to play I had to set the quality to 480 >:( I am sure that what you saw was not a result of the camera. All the best DavidP |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by Dave on 03/10/16 at 10:47:26 183D2A35380C5C0 wrote:
Now that they have been in a while.....it is time for a vote to see if the majority wants to keep them. (You know gasoline is a good solvent for asphalt.....a little bit dumped on the humps each day....and in a few months they will just be an unpleasant memory. And nobody will vote to put back speed bumps that dissolve for no reason!). ::) |
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Title: Re: Helmet Cam Post by Art Webb on 03/10/16 at 21:20:11 516A6770616D76706B636E71020 wrote:
THAT won't be forgotten, EVER I LOATHE speed bumps, speed humps, and speed lumps |
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