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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Cafe >> Windy much?... /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1454289191 Message started by Serowbot on 01/31/16 at 17:13:11 |
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Title: Windy much?... Post by Serowbot on 01/31/16 at 17:13:11 Took a ride to Gates Pass today... Wind blew a parked Harley off it's sidestand 10ft away from my Savage... Holy hockey pucks, Batman!... :-? |
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Title: Re: Windy much?... Post by Kris01 on 01/31/16 at 19:58:30 I was riding at a 15° lean yesterday just to go straight. Turns were a little scary! :o |
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Title: Re: Windy much?... Post by KennyG on 01/31/16 at 20:06:36 From time to time we have the really high winds to deal with in North Texas......We had some of the high winds Saturday so I stayed away from the high speed roads. The catch with leaning the bike to one side to compensate for the wind is when the wind suddenly stops you don't have much time to plan your next move. It can get scary. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Windy much?... Post by Kris01 on 01/31/16 at 20:17:41 There was an instance where the wind was coming from my left (so I leaned left) and then it stopped and I had a strong tail wind. It felt as if there were no wind at all. Whatever the wind speed was, matched the speed of the bike at the time. Very strange feeling! |
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Title: Re: Windy much?... Post by Serowbot on 01/31/16 at 21:46:57 516873692A2B1A0 wrote:
I love it, when that happens... This is what people who don't ride... think riding feels like... Floating... :) I live for that few minutes... ;D |
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Title: Re: Windy much?... Post by Dave on 02/01/16 at 03:04:11 When I went on the Moonshine Lunch run a couple years ago, we had a very strong wind from the right side. The bike was going up the road with a strong lean to the right side......and then we came up to a left curve in the road - it seemed a bit weird to enter a left hand corner while leaning to the right side! :-? A few years earlier (non-bike story) I had a Chevy S10, and I would get about 22 mpg. One holiday weekend we were driving north to visit family, and as we left KY the winds from the west were about 40 mph from our left side and just buffeting the truck all over the road. I imagined that it was going to be a long bumpy ride - but as we got just north of Cincinnati I-71 begins to head northeast.....and suddenly we had a 40 mph tail wind! Woo Hoo!...at 70 mph it felt like we were going 30mph and the ride was incredibly smooth....and my mpg went from the normal 22 up to 43 mpg! |
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Title: Re: Windy much?... Post by Ed L. on 02/01/16 at 06:21:20 Any tailwind is good :) Any tail is good ;D Tail is good :D |
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Title: Re: Windy much?... Post by Serowbot on 02/01/16 at 06:54:15 I'm gonna' let that one go, without posting a pic... ... for the sake of those who may have just eaten... :-? |
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Title: Re: Windy much?... Post by Dave on 02/01/16 at 07:02:31 And "windy tail" is never a good thing! |
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Title: Re: Windy much?... Post by engineer on 02/01/16 at 11:08:45 I don't have any tail jokes so I'll return to wind gust stories. Too cold here for riding but I was out on a very windy day last fall when a gust of wind pushed me upright when I was leaning in the middle of a curve. I was over at maybe 25 or 30 degrees when it pushed me back up. I tried to lean it back over but couldn't. It didn't matter, the bike just continued around the curve like nothing happened. I'm still trying to figure out the dynamics of that. |
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Title: Re: Windy much?... Post by Kris01 on 02/01/16 at 17:38:48 I saw a video on YouTube about whether or not leaning is required to turn a bike. I think the video established that leaning helps you to turn but isn't necessary. Don't quote me on that. |
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Title: Re: Windy much?... Post by springman on 02/01/16 at 19:00:47 I second that emotion there Ed L. But, you have to be careful as what Dave says is true also. ;D |
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Title: Re: Windy much?... Post by Dave on 02/02/16 at 03:40:40 4F766D773435040 wrote:
(If this leaning/steering discussion gets too involved - I will split it out of this "oil" thread). Wow.....this topic has at times turned very ugly, especially once someone uses the term "counter steer". The truth is, that there are inputs you place on the handlebars that control the direction of the bike, and it is what makes it possible for a 130 pound rider to control a 700 pound motorcycle through the twisties. That tiny rider could never do it by just leaning.....however leaning does work on a bicycle, or on your motorcycle when you take your hands off the bars and try to stay in your lane by shifting your body weight. Knowing what actually happens when you enter and leave a turn will make you a better rider. Currently you most likely do it by instinct - but once you know the mechanics of what happens....you can willingly use it to help you avoid that possum, deer or SUV. It is unfortunate that this discussion has come up in February when a lot of folks won't be able to experiment with this - but here is what you should do. Next time you are riding and out on a straight section of highway........move over to the right side of your lane, take your left hand off the handlebar, and using your index finger.....gently apply some pressure the left grip with that finger. The will resist the movement (effects of spinning wheels and fork geometry), but the bike will lean ever so slight to the left and the bike will begin to move left. Although you are applying pressure that would make you believe you are steering right....the bike will go left. In order to make the bike straighten out and stand upright.....you need to apply pressure to the right handlebar. (Where this gets controversial is when folks say to steer left to go right or countersteer....you are not really steering the opposite way - but you are applying pressure the opposite way. When you enter a left corner - you first apply forward pressure to the left side of the handlebar and the bike leans over.......once the bike is leaning and turning at the arc you want....you release the pressure and maintain the handlebars in that position......and once you reach the end of the turn you apply forward pressure to the right handlebar, and the bike stands upright and goes in a straight line. This is not something that you are going to believe until you actually have tried it. When I was riding a trials motorcycle it took a bit of learning - as all the really slow speed stuff was leaning and balance, and shifting your weight on the footpegs and the position of the handlebars all had to be used to stay upright when you were crawling along......then somewhere just a bit beyond a fast walking speed the wheels were actually turning fast enough that it started to ride like a real motorcycle....and you had to apply pressure to the handlebars in the direction opposite of the way you wanted to turn. So.....what does this knowledge do for you? As you become aware of what make the bike steer and lean....you can become a better rider and get better control of your bike. When you come around a corner and see a pothole.....you can instantly change direction by applying some pressure on the handlebars and avoid the pothole (without trying to lean the bike around the hole). A few years ago when this discussion came up, one fellow posted: " I tried to countersteer once, and I almost crashed!" You are not supposed to jerk or forcefully turn the handlebars the opposite direction you want to go.....you just apply a bit of pressure, and the bike will comply and move - start out with a very mild pressure and you will be surprised....as you already are doing this without even thinking about it - you learned it when you got your first bicycle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/10/25/know-how-to-countersteer-correctly/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgUOOwnZcDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C848R9xWrjc |
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Title: Re: Windy much?... Post by Art Webb on 02/02/16 at 07:17:05 I had a pretty strong headwind coming home last night, but it din't bother me much, viva la windscreen! |
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