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Title: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/18/16 at 19:13:38 Did you see the question in the Rossi / Ecat thread? Why worry about GLOBAL Warming? |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/19/16 at 08:50:37 "Atheist/ evolutionist folks" seem like a nasty bunch... I wouldn't mess with them... :-? |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/16 at 13:36:18 You don't want to answer the question? |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Dane Allen on 01/19/16 at 13:59:55 312E282F32350434043C2E22695B0 wrote:
That isn't how the rules of the faith work. All heresy is to be avoided :( |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by raydawg on 01/19/16 at 15:47:15 455A5C5B4641704070485A561D2F0 wrote:
I never get a serious answer, from him, why should you? ;) |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/19/16 at 17:34:46 Don't lie, Dawg... I give a lot of serious answers... I don't waste my time on stupid questions that deny reality. The entire world, and at least 2/3rds of America accept Global Climate change as reality... 4 people dead in Libya is a monumental travesty ,.. but 100's of millions starving, drowning, or being left homeless refugees is nothing... Just a couple of degrees,.. a couple of feet rise in sea level,... will put many major cities of the world under water... Bangladesh will disappear entirely... ...but, as long as we deny it,... :-/ |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/16 at 17:46:26 I asked a new question. One that, as far as I know, nobody has asked. I see it as just about unanswerable if logic gets used. I asked for a description of society when we, the bitter clingers, have been dragged into the Light and Progressed enough to make the Progressive crowd happy. Never even got a rough outline. Right now, This question, Why would anyone who believes in Evolution care if the environment changes? Well, if someone believes in Evolution, then what's the big deal? If they also believe that the world is overpopulated, then wouldn't global warming be exactly what they want? I don't understand why they care. Ohh, do explain, please. And no, I didn't get the question or argument from any source. I am the originator. Since it has not been brought to the table and addressed, there are no established Talking Points to run to and quote. This, like the When is it Done? question will require original thought. So, I'm not exactly expecting much in response. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by pg on 01/19/16 at 18:01:48 352A2C2B3631003000382A266D5F0 wrote:
Interesting point JOG, I also await for an answer. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Kris01 on 01/19/16 at 18:05:21 Quote:
I'm not sure about your question JOG. If someone is an evolutionist then why wouldn't they care about preventing disasters? If the oceans rise and take out millions of people then you're saying Evolutionists shrug their shoulders and say "Oh well, s'pose to happen". :-? |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/16 at 18:14:23 No, as the environment changes, beings adapt, or don't. Since there is no God and no moral requirements to protect life AS IT IS, then why get all shook up? Humanity will evolve and adapt. And besides, we are overpopulated, so, some evolve, some die, the remaining will have learned. Don't cherry pick. Take all of it, in context. What Part of the Dire Warnings of the computer models has come true, anyway? Are you aware that Two expeditions to go See the lack of ice in the Arctic have been trapped by ice and all the scientists had to be rescued? |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Kris01 on 01/19/16 at 18:16:02 Oh, I understand you now. ;) |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by raydawg on 01/19/16 at 19:04:34 3E283F223A2F22394D0 wrote:
Why do you assign me a lie Bot? I asked you, after you posted the Dubya/Obama reference, you posted, if you would explain to me why Obama has lost more power/seats than any other president, for if that chart was true people would be all for him and his polices..... Those up for re-election would ask him to appear with them instead of the opposite. You never said a peep. This is not the first time, either, so I feel you calling me a liar is not accurate. Edit: As to your reality claim, I don't think many deny climate change, it has ALWAYS changed, the Ice Age being a good example without mans influences upon it. I think people disagree with the "theory" of the group you push as "reality". And about the "factual" deaths, not "what if" claims, you make on supposition IS a travesty, when this person wants/may be the next president, the rest of your claim is only a guess, based on a guess, and therefor immaterial or without merit. You can claim all you want, and BELIEVE it all you want, but it is a private held belief, yes, shared by many, but, as with my BELIEF in GOD, shared by many, you want to file that belief away under a different belief, and restrict its teachings, display, expression, etc. My belief has lived way longer than yours, and has been attacked by way more than those who stand against yours, and I can't tell you how many have been killed accordingly. So honestly Bot, you is just as much as a hypocrite, as I am, if we are to fault people for believing faithfully in what they believe. May I guess your/if reply? Sure, you say ;D Sorry Dawg, I have no idea what you just said :-? |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/16 at 19:12:52 I didn't ask how many people believe. I asked why atheist/ evolutionists Care and expounded on it. I didn't expect an answer, because nobody has taught how to handle that question. No talking points exist so, no canned rhetoric to fall back on. So, nothing to say. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/19/16 at 21:37:18 36292F2835320333033B29256E5C0 wrote:
Jog,... you have known me here, for a good number of years... Do I strike you as a person that doesn't care?... I don't need a God to tell me to be moral... I am a a human being... I have moral character... no god needed... Evolution might naturally make many species extinct... Because that may naturally occur, don't mean I have to like it... and it don't mean I can't try to prevent it.... Fires happen,... that don't mean we shouldn't try to save people from burning... Over population may happen... that don't mean millions of people suffering and dying is good way to fix it... How about we just slow the doubling of births every couple of decades?... What is,...is... ...what can be,.. we can try to make better... Please don't associate atheism with immorality. ...no more than you associate morality with religion... A belief in a god, or eternal life, is in no way moral or immoral... Neither is disbelief... I try to live my life without hurting anybody, and doing what good for others that I can... That's it... then I will die, and all that will be left is the sum total of my actions.... I hope, on balance, it is good... |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by hotprops on 01/19/16 at 21:52:51 yes |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by thumperclone on 01/19/16 at 21:58:31 and it is good too bad more don't |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by raydawg on 01/20/16 at 04:43:19 So bot, I don't think many believers equate atheist as immoral, I believe that is your perception. As to morals themselves, they are subjective depending on cultural beliefs. You have stated your objective is to remove any politicians who use God as their moral compass. Is that action passive and witness to what you just said? Since the Muslim faith is a hot topic, would you extend to those who adopt the sharia element, their moral right based upon their moral beliefs to stone homosexuals, etc? When your moral tenants are infringed, what is your course of actions? Would you agree that your participation here is in fact an extension of your moral beliefs? Hope you answer [ch55357][ch56843] |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/16 at 06:27:40 That's a good answer, Bot. And you've seen me mention my atheist friend. Absolutely the most ethical guy I've known until I met a friend here. Id say they are tied. Morality, ethics, much greater than nearly all of the alleged Christians I've known AND probably me. All that said, maybe you should do some more digging into the abortion thing. Don't think those babies don't suffer. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/20/16 at 07:59:21 392A322F2A3C2C4B0 wrote:
My morals are not guided by religious dogma... If my actions hurt innocents, they are immoral. I believe this to be a universally agreeable position. If someone's religion requires that they hurt others, it is not their right to do so. This is the purpose of separating church and state... Many tenets of religion are morally universal and good, and we all follow them. Those that are not,.. and infringe on the rights of others should not be imposed by legislation. Dat'z my story, n' I'm stickin' toit... :P... Do somethin' good for somebody today... Peace, Serow |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by raydawg on 01/20/16 at 10:41:06 7B6D7A677F6A677C080 wrote:
My morals are not guided by religious dogma... If my actions hurt innocents, they are immoral. I believe this to be a universally agreeable position. If someone's religion requires that they hurt others, it is not their right to do so. This is the purpose of separating church and state... Many tenets of religion are morally universal and good, and we all follow them. Those that are not,.. and infringe on the rights of others should not be imposed by legislation. Dat'z my story, n' I'm stickin' toit... :P... Do somethin' good for somebody today... Peace, Serow[/quote] Thanks :D Do you think dogma only exist in the religious beliefs? What, if any, actions should be visited upon those who do not hold your universal morally good beliefs? You didn't address that in your reply, thanks. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by oldNslow on 01/20/16 at 10:56:06 Quote:
Yet you see no problem with inviting hordes of so-called "refugees" in to this country whose religious beliefs require, or at the very least, condone, exactly that.? |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by WebsterMark on 01/20/16 at 11:10:14 I don't need a God to tell me to be moral... I am a a human being... I have moral character... no god needed... No other life form exhibits a moral character except human beings. In fact, the ironic thing is the law of the jungle is.......there is no law. I remember seeing a show on TV one time about chimps. The whole show was the usual 'chimps are our closest relative etc....' but then they showed a scene where adult male chimps ripped a baby chimp from it's mothers arms, tore it to pieces and ate the body until there was literally nothing left. The show then struggled to explain this by equating the chimps behavior to how we treat children, how we murder one another and of course how the rich steal from the poor. The obvious answer as to why the male chimps ate the baby is........they are animals! Duh.... They did it to force the female into heat, they did it to protect their food supply, they did it for any number of reasons, but whatever the reason, it has nothing to do with how human beings act towards one another. The point is Sew and other atheist, you should consider that there is an enormous gulf that exist between humans and every other life form on earth. Nothing is remotely close to us. Nothing. A newborn baby quickly gains more intelligence than the smartest monkey, whale, dolphin or whatever the smartest animal of the week is. Given how easily we succumb to the environment when we are left to our own physical devices, (everyone should watch the TV show Naked and Afraid) it seems impossible that we could have evolved to where we are today. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/16 at 12:22:25 And that brings back Another point. Since Evolution is a mechanism that allows creatures to adapt To the environment and be more able to survive In the environment, what happened to cause man to abandon his Natural pelt and Suddenly require him to seek shelter, build shelter, and need to expend valuable time and energy to build clothing? Seems like a bad idea to me. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/20/16 at 13:09:12 5A686F7E79687F406C7F660D0 wrote:
My dog could walk, run, feed himself, and was housebroken at 8 weeks... Beat that humanity... ;D 4F5056514C4B7A4A7A42505C17250 wrote:
'Cause we're really aliens from Mars... this ain't our natural habitat... :-? |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by raydawg on 01/20/16 at 13:29:13 My turn yet bot? ;D |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/20/16 at 14:30:32 Do you think dogma only exist in the religious beliefs? Noop... What, if any, actions should be visited upon those who do not hold your universal morally good beliefs? Bonk'em on the head 'till they see straight... ;D You didn't address that in your reply, thanks. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/16 at 15:12:03 what happened to cause man to abandon his Natural pelt and Suddenly require him to seek shelter, build shelter, and need to expend valuable time and energy to build clothing? 'Cause we're really aliens from Mars... this ain't our natural habitat... Huh IOW, the evolutionists theory can't explain it. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/20/16 at 17:03:49 IOW... in other words... I had to Google it... guess I'm not too evolved... ;D |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/16 at 17:58:15 Is it there yet? |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by WebsterMark on 01/20/16 at 18:19:09 My dog could walk, run, feed himself, and was housebroken at 8 weeks... Beat that humanity... And yet he's your pet..... You could beat him and lock him in a trunk for an hour and he'd lick your face when you opened it. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by WebsterMark on 01/20/16 at 18:20:18 253A3C3B2621102010283A367D4F0 wrote:
No, they can't. We are not a suped up version of momkeys. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/20/16 at 21:23:30 Web,... you're not one of those,... we lived with dinosaurs,... Earth is only 6,000 years old,... Sun circles the earth guys... ...are you?... :-? Although,... I do have a good friend of that persuasion... I do not comment on such matters with him... ...and he is good of heart.... |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/21/16 at 07:25:34 Ahh, lets tie observable stupid to a probably obvious enough stupid And then tie that to the idea that humanity wasn't here with the dinosaurs. The sun doesn't circle Earth. The geology of Earth SCREAMS millions and millions of years. And, while there are some who disagree, we Do have footprints of what looks like a human foot. In/on/near Dino tracks. C and P Suppose you saw several footprints in a sidewalk and someone said, "This print was made ten years after the one beside it." Would you buy that? No way! We understand that tracks in mud do not last long. To be preserved, they must be solidified rapidly, within days. Once the material hardens, the tracks are preserved and footprints will no longer leave an impression. Furthermore, exposed tracks weather rapidly. Therefore, we know the next layer was deposited immediately and rapidly. The Taylor Trail: A series of 14 sequential human footprints on the same platform with at least 134 dinosaur tracks. I'm not sure I care one way or another, it's not important to me, but, information is information. Is it correct? I don't know, but, I'd TEND to lean in favor of it, barring any big scandalous revelation. And, there IS naturally, a site stating that it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. But, the same is true of about everything that people have a vested interest in. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/21/16 at 08:07:36 So much for the Paleo diet... ::) |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by WebsterMark on 01/21/16 at 10:05:28 Web,... you're not one of those,... we lived with dinosaurs,... Earth is only 6,000 years old,... Sun circles the earth guys... ...are you?.. lived with dinosaurs? possible. New fossils found all the time. Who knows? 6000 years old? No. Sun circles the earth? Really? You gotta ask? You, on the other hand, seem to believe whatever the consensus of the majority of PhD tells you to believe. Honestly, do you ever think things through for yourself? serious question |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by raydawg on 01/21/16 at 10:33:40 546661707766714E627168030 wrote:
I desired to engage bot in serious exchange, as I really wanted to hear him expand on what he shared, but I have given up. I don't why he resorts to trying to be funny when an answer to a question he avoids. Oh well, he still does good savage ;D |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/21/16 at 15:10:35 When it stops being fun,.. I won't be here anymore... What we say here in the TT accomplishes nothing... if it ain't fun, what's the point?... |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by WebsterMark on 01/21/16 at 16:29:23 I don't have a Savage anymore but I covet his...... (yea, I know, That Shall Not Covet) .... the crome fender is cool. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by raydawg on 01/22/16 at 04:41:40 392F38253D28253E4A0 wrote:
Not sure why you assign "we" to sharing your POV, as to say it accomplishes nothing. I appreciate some of the post here and am grateful for the time they took to share. Why you are dismissive about life I can only guess, but I find it sad, sorry. As to your last question, I love learning new stuff. To only seek out that which affirms me is not growth, but only a means to help gloss over my insecurities I have, instead of confronting them. I feel a sadness if I don't challenge myself daily, in all aspects of my life. Even tho this type of exchange leaves out a lot of the important elements to relating, you just remarked to jog recently after all these years he should have a good idea who you are.... So I guess we can learn through this exchange then. And I thank all who share, I attest, I do gleen nuggets of knowledge I can hopefully use to be a better person [ch128536] |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/22/16 at 08:29:59 Always amazed by your ability to find offense in the most innocuous posts, Dawg... ;D |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/22/16 at 12:10:34 Looks like frustration more than anything, to me. Dawg was trying to get a real statement out of you, Bot. I don't know if you really answered the question, but He doesn't seem to think so. As to the Fun thing, I don't see how I'm exactly having fun, here. That's what the Cafe is for, to me. In here I'm trying to understand others positions and put mine out there for others to see. Typing it out, over and over, watching so many just gloss over it, dismissing what I have spent time to discover and try to share. Sometimes I Am asking others to explain what I don't understand. Dadgum little of the TT is what I call fun. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by thumperclone on 01/22/16 at 13:42:19 [quote author=302F292E33340535053D2F23685A0 link=1453173218/30#40 date=1453493434] Typing it out, over and over, watching so many just gloss over it, dismissing what I have spent time to discover and try to share. doing something over and over expecting different results= insanity this may be the wrong crowd for your neural receptors output |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by WebsterMark on 01/22/16 at 17:14:23 You rarely get a straight answe outta Sew, but i used to think you'd never get a laugh outta Jog but he's been a riot lately so who knows, hang in there..... |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/22/16 at 17:41:34 I never said that I Expect different results. I was explaining some of Why it's not exactly fun. Just as anyone who has a strong belief system will continue to Try to express it in a manner that others can grasp, I continue, even when some Show me how unlikely they are to understand. this may be the wrong crowd for your neural receptors output Receivers receive Transmitters have output. And you're pretty much spot on about the crowd. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/22/16 at 20:23:48 Ya'll are tough to please... You mostly hate my answers,... but demand that I give them... ...and, we all know that you pretty much know what I will say anyway... ...as I do you... ;D It's winter,.. and you need the heat for the fire... 8-) |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/24/16 at 18:41:41 Dawg sed... As to your last question, I love learning new stuff. We call learning Old stuff Review. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by thumperclone on 01/26/16 at 23:23:56 this may be the wrong crowd for your neural receptors output Receivers receive Transmitters have output. your receptors output, input to your thought process imo there lies a short circuit :D |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/27/16 at 11:28:11 Took a long time to formulate the lame reply to the obvious. You disagree with everything I stand for and are just beside yourself that you can't rationally make a stand and demonstrate Where and Why I'm wrong. But thanks for playing. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by thumperclone on 01/27/16 at 14:03:55 you're being too serious |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/27/16 at 21:16:11 What? I've watched how you jump on what I say. You stepped in it. I pointed it out. You dealt with it childishly. Rather than admit that you stepped in it, you tried to play it off. Of COURSE I'm being too serious, I'm making a point. The way you've behaved historically and this most recent event are just so telling. It's the Tall Table, not Quilters Corner. Build a bear trap thinking it's for someone else only to discover that it fits your leg really well, well, that's the Tall Table.. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/27/16 at 22:50:59 JOG,... I may want to highjack this thread for my own... I like the title... ;D |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/28/16 at 04:30:04 Dude, take it. Run with it. Just don't expect to go far before someone sends it another direction. I hijack my own threads. Id still like an explanation for how it was a good move for a critter to ditch its fur. Seems Counter In Tuitive to me.. not sure exactly what that means, but I heard it's PC for Don't exactly make sense. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/28/16 at 08:35:22 Okay,.. there are few scientific theories out there, but let me give you mine.... In evolution, there is one wild card... Creatures mostly evolve in practical ways reflecting environmental adaptations... The wild card,... is sex!... Male birds have bright plumage for no practical reason other than to get nookie.... So, female smart monkeys decided for some reason, they liked less hair... Maybe their men stunk less,... maybe less fleas... or maybe they just thought it looked better... Everybody started looking for the less hairy mate, and we went with it. That's my theory,.. n' I'm sticken to'it... :) |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/28/16 at 18:21:15 Females typically look for traits that would tend to give offspring a better chance at survival. You might reconsider. |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Paraquat on 01/29/16 at 06:10:00 554A4C4B5651605060584A460D3F0 wrote:
His outlook or his traits? --Steve |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by Serowbot on 01/29/16 at 07:15:24 Does the bird with the brightest plumage make a better provider?... How does that work?... :-/ |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by WebsterMark on 01/29/16 at 07:46:21 Okay,.. there are few scientific theories out there, but let me give you mine.... In evolution, there is one wild card... Creatures mostly evolve in practical ways reflecting environmental adaptations... The wild card,... is sex!... Male birds have bright plumage for no practical reason other than to get nookie.... So, female smart monkeys decided for some reason, they liked less hair... Maybe their men stunk less,... maybe less fleas... or maybe they just thought it looked better... Everybody started looking for the less hairy mate, and we went with it. Excellent thought process..... but.... following though with your thinking.... Does bright plumage jeopardize the male's survival? At the St. Louis Zoo for example, male peacocks roam the zoo free. And every now and then, they'll flare their feathers out and make their mating noise. (note: if you're not prepared for the noise, it will scare the $hit out of you....!) But, when they are done, the feathers go back down and they are return to 'normal'. Men can't shed fur and then grow it back within seconds. So, I don't think males losing fur is to attract females is why we don't have fur because we would not have survived the environment. On the other hand, both animals and men today do incredible stupid things to get laid. We jeopardize our livelihoods and lives. Look how many men get shot when the husband comes home early......it happens. We know the risk, but we still do it. Male lions know if they pick a fight with the alpha-male, they might die, but they still do it. But, back to the other hand, bright plumage or fighting is not the same thing as a fundamental change to our physiology. Also, both male and female humans have no fur. In your example, only the males have the bright plumage and only the male lions fight. Why would females lose their fur and jeopardize their survival also? Taken as a whole, good thinking, but I don't think sex is the answer. (and that is a statement I've never made my entire life.....) |
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Title: Re: What about it, Bot? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/29/16 at 14:57:59 Dull looking plumage on the male would indicate lesser vitality. Which would tend to create less strong, vibrant offspring. I can explain it to you, but you're gonna hafta try to understand it yourself. You know the point I've made is obvious and valid. There's just no benefit to Losing the ability to survive without being forced to create shoes and clothing. All of those hours dedicated to harvesting fibers to weave or skins to scrape and tan and stitch together with cordage spun up are hours NOT spent hunting and gathering. For an organism to mutate from a position that makes survival easier into a position that makes life harder goes against the very premise of evolution. And you know that and are scrambling to come up with some way to make it not so. Maybe there is a local college professor who has a solution that is an obvious fail. And how do the big hairy guys do in school? |
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