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Title: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by raydawg on 01/11/16 at 03:48:35 Full Measure: Benghazi rescue interrupted? Why is this NEW information...... where has it been? You will find the answer at the end of the article. >:( WASHINGTON (Sinclair Broadcast Group) — There is new information about what may be the most confounding mystery surrounding the Benghazi controversy: Why no outside U.S. military help came to the rescue as terrorists battered two compounds and the Americans inside over nearly eight long hours. Four Americans were killed including Ambassador Chris Stevens and diplomat Sean Smith, along with Glen Doherty and Ty Woods, both former Navy SEALs. In recent days, the House Benghazi Committee heard from key figures in closed-door testimony. The film "13 Hours, the Secret Soldiers of Benghazi" opens in theaters later this week. It's the harrowing account of six CIA team members in an annex about a mile from the Benghazi compound when it fell under attack. They claim when they tried to go to the rescue, their boss delayed them. Now an email hidden from public view for three years reveals another rescue attempt was apparently interrupted. The military offered to deploy Special Forces to Benghazi during the assault, long before the attackers killed CIA contractors and former Navy Seals Glen Doherty and Ty Woods. Three and a half hours into the eight-hour long siege, the military's Chief of Staff Jeremy Bash emails top State Department officials: "we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak. They include a SOF [Special Operations Forces] element that was in Croatia." Retired Army Green Beret Col. Andrew Wood commanded a Special Forces anti-terrorism team protecting Ambassador Chris Stevens and other diplomats in Libya. In 2012, Wood told Congress his team was removed from Libya by the Obama administration a month before the attacks, despite warnings of terrorist violence to come. For the first time, Wood is speaking out with a startling claim: that those Special Forces offered in the military email were on their way to Benghazi, but were turned back. Wood: Those individuals I know loaded aircraft and got on their way to Benghazi to respond to that incident. They were not allowed to cross the border, as per protocol, until they get approval from the Commander-in-Chief. That authority has got to come from him. Otherwise, they're not allowed to go further into the country. I have a high degree of confidence that that happened, based on information that I've heard from individuals that were there. Those forces were put into motion. They simply were not allowed to go further. The White House has refused to detail the involvement of President Obama, the Commander-in-Chief, while Americans were under attack on foreign soil. Following a short briefing at the beginning of the assault, he virtually disappears from the public narrative. The White House declined to comment for this report but has long denied any assets were available or ready, and said everything possible was done. Yet the email indicates Special Forces were ready and high-ranking Obama administration officials, or "Principals" were to weigh in. "Assuming Principals agree to deploy these elements, we will ask State to secure the approval from host nation," the military emails the State Department. "Please advise how you wish to convey that approval to us." Inexplicably, nobody did seek Libya's approval for the U.S. forces to fly in to help. The availability of Special Forces is news to Greg Hicks, the top U.S. diplomat in Tripoli during the assault. In 2013, Hicks testified he was repeatedly told there was no military help available. Greg Hicks: I asked the Defense Attache who'd been talking with AFRICOM and with the Joint Staff: Is anything coming? Will they be sending us any help? Is there something out there? Responding to the newly public email, Hicks tells Full Measure, "an aggressive interpretation" of the military options presented "would have tasked me with obtaining flight and landing clearances from the Libyan government. I have no doubt they would have been granted." Gary Berntsen is a former CIA senior operations officer and Chief of Station. He commanded counter-terrorism missions and led the response team after Islamic extremists bombed U.S. Embassies in East Africa in 1998. Sharyl: The significance of this memo, would you say? Gary Berntsen: It's incredibly significant, and you would understand why the administration wouldn't want people to see that those elements within the government that were tasked with the protection of lives and property, actually started the process and were stopped. Like Wood, Berntsen says quick reaction military teams are tasked to handle emergencies exactly like Benghazi and automatically spin up, unless and until they're stopped. Berntsen: You proceed because if there's an emergency and Americans are at risk, Americans have died or are under the threat of death or a threat of kidnapping or any kind of violence. We're moving. A military source familiar with some of the night's events also confirms military options were provided. Military source: There were both conventional and Special Forces in theater and assigned to AFRICOM [Africa Command] offered up by General [Carter] Ham on a video teleconference. Based on what I know, the forces they were talking about could have gotten there pretty quickly. Berntsen: Only political instructions from above would have stopped them. There is, you know, no one is going to wait. That is my experience, of having done this for almost 25 years, having led the teams myself, you're proceeding, you're going. The new details may help explain why Congress had so much trouble getting direct answers from Obama officials who insisted a rescue attempt was impossible. When questioned in 2013, General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Secretary Leon Panetta of the Department of Defense or "DOD" gave no hint that Special Forces had actually "spun up." Sen. Lindsey Graham (R- SC): Was any DOD asset ever deployed to help these people before the end of the attack? Gen. Martin Dempsey: Would you rephrase would you? Graham: Was any DOD asset aircraft or individual soldier ever sent put in motion to help these people before the attack was over? Dempsey: Let let let if I could, as soon as we knew there was an attack, the National Missions Force and the FAST teams began Graham: My question is did anybody leave any base anywhere to go to the aid of the people under attack in Benghazi, Libya, before the attack ended? Sec. Leon Panetta: No because the attack ended before we could get off the ground. Multiple officials said the same thing. U.S. State Dept. Deputy Secretary William J. Burns: There simply wasn't enough time at that point to bring U.S. military forces. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: Their assets were too far away to make much difference in any timely fashion. Former Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff and Vice Chairman of Accountability Review Board Admiral Mike Mullen: There simply was not enough time for U.S. military forces to have made a difference. Adding to the claims of a rescue interrupted: the leader of a Foreign Emergency Support Team (FEST) in the U.S. earlier testified his squad, too, was stopped from responding and a small U.S. military team in Tripoli was ordered not to board a plane for Benghazi during the attacks. Col. Wood says it all implies a decision at the highest level. Otherwise, he believes the military would have gotten in position to respond five hours before the Benghazi attacks when the U.S. faced a related crisis: Islamic extremists overran the American Embassy in Cairo, Egypt. Wood: Their compound had been breached and there were people now inside their buildings under protection of Marine guards waiting for someone to bust into the rooms. To me, that would signal somebody should be getting those reaction forces ready to stand by and perhaps move. And then 5 hours later, when things occurred in Benghazi, and again, the alarm bell went off, and there was no apparent response, that's a pretty tough one to explain. With events transpiring in Cairo, at the Embassy in Cairo, I think the decision not to react may have been made very early on in the day, when those events were transpiring. So that by the time that Benghazi happened, it wasn't going to happen because that decision was made early on. If so, why isn't clear. But the attacks came eight weeks before the 2012 election. President Obama had campaigned on the idea he'd sent terrorists running. Critics say deploying the military to terrorist attacks could have been viewed as more harmful to the campaign than the incorrect explanation the administration gave: that protesters attacked after being whipped up by an anti-Islamic YouTube video. A Special Forces soldier for 24 years, Wood says his team and U.S. diplomats in Libya were briefed that if they ever got into trouble, those Special Forces in Europe were tasked with coming to the rescue. Wood: They're kept in a high state of readiness just for that purpose. So they're willing and able and ready to jump. They're like the fire department, in any town, in any city in the United States. To illustrate how close the U.S. Special Forces in Croatia were: A commercial flight from Zagreb, Croatia, taking off at the start of the Benghazi attacks with an hour and a half layover in Istanbul, Turkey, still could have arrived in Tripoli, Libya, before Woods and Doherty were killed. But the Special Forces offered up by the military ended up at the U.S. Naval Base at Sigonella, Italy, instead of Benghazi. And in a delay that remains unexplained, it took 17 hours from the time the military said they'd spun up for them to make that hour and a half flight from Croatia to Italy, far too late to help. Wood: I operated there under the belief that those reaction forces would be there for us if we got into some kind of trouble like what happened. Sharyl: Two groups of testimony given under oath by government officials were: there were no forces that could have responded quickly, and that even if they had scrambled more people, they couldn't have gotten there in time to make a difference. Berntsen: I don't believe either of those reflect the truth of what occurred on the ground there. They had forces moving, they could have intervened, they should have intervened, and had they, we likely would have been in a position to save the second two men who bravely sacrificed their lives. The State Department has said, "The notion that [it] did not do everything possible to protect our people that night is as offensive as it is wrong." There's one piece of evidence that could help in the debate: the After Action Reports dissecting the military response, but the Pentagon has refused Congressional and media requests to see them. A final footnote: the email offering military options was revealed under a lawsuit filed by watchdog Judicial Watch and also turned over to the Congressional Benghazi Committee three years after the fact. The law requires the email should have been provided after Freedom of Information requests made in 2012, but it was not. You can view the email and associated info here. Found this in our local Seattle left leaning news outlet. http://komonews.com/news/nation-world/full-measure-rescue-interrupted |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by raydawg on 01/11/16 at 04:46:19 One of these two possibilities would explain the reason to withhold such information from the public.... Obama was up for reelection and just like his buddy in Chicago, their welfare is paramount. His ideology of being a world peacemaker kept him from doing the right thing. How can the White House be so quite on this matter? Or.... Hillary never acted with this information and forwarded to the CIC, as she only looked for messages in her private server, not the secure channels it would have flowed through. Any other guesses as to why this extremely important information was withheld ????? |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by oldNslow on 01/11/16 at 08:09:43 Quote:
Simplest explanation; Hillary, Obama, and most of their minions are f***ing liars, and anything that contradicts their lies is buried as deep and for as long as possible.They don't need any other reason. It's as natural to them as breathing. |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by raydawg on 01/11/16 at 08:42:37 I hear ya, but I don't think they could keep the lid on this, unless it was tightly held info. The bigger the knowledge, the better the chance it would leak. I have heard reports the FBI will not stand for any Obama justice department ignoring their findings on matters. Is Biden warming up in the bullpen? |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by oldNslow on 01/11/16 at 08:57:24 Sooner or later the truth finds it's way out. Mostly when it's too late to make any difference. The liars know that, and count on it. And at least half the voters in the country don't care anyhow. Committed Hillary supporters don't give a crap about what happened in Benghazi, and what she said about it. There might not be enough true believers to elect her president, but I wouldn't count on that either. |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by Serowbot on 01/11/16 at 09:05:10 ...if only teleportation were real... ::) |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by raydawg on 01/11/16 at 09:16:09 You mean it ain't...... Who but science fiction writers could pen these yarns bo and hill spin ;D |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by old.indian on 01/11/16 at 12:07:55 The time frame involved is, and was, more than sufficient to have a military response team ON SITE from assets available in the Med. NOTE: The same ambassador to the UN who was the White House spokesperson for this is now the National Security Adviser in the White House. My feelings are that the administration was,(and IS), far more concerned with NOT offending anyone than are with the lives of American citizens.... |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by verslagen1 on 01/11/16 at 13:12:43 I am far less sympathetic in this... They short staffed them, then hung them out to dry on purpose. |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by Serowbot on 01/11/16 at 16:19:27 Not that it would have made any difference, but the Rep's cut embassy security funding by 300 million. ...and, once the rioting was underway, how would you expect any forces to stop it from the outside?... There's a lot of of chicken hawk, 20/20 hindsight, armchair quarterbacking, goin' here... Even double the security staff would have just added to the death toll... The only way this could have been avoided, would be for the Embassy to have been closed down and abandoned prior... The entire issue is a political witch hunt... Would this even be an issue, if it weren't that Clinton was Secretary of State at the time, and everyone knew she would be a Presidential candidate?... Noop... :-? |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by Serowbot on 01/11/16 at 17:37:15 EDIT... Sorry here, Dawg... I posted into your post instead of reply... Mod Button error... Did my best to correct it, by deleting the post I boogerd, and pasting it here... Dawg wrote... Quote:
You must be joking... When has Trump,... ever,.. taken responsibility for anything he's ever said or done?... ever apologized?... ever admitted wrong?... ... or do you believe he has lived a flawless life?... His path is strewn with multitudes of people he has stepped on to get ahead... A perfect, unapologetic, narcissistic, egomaniac... Yeah,. that'll work... That's a man that will own his actions... He'll blame the can for missing his trash... ::) |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by raydawg on 01/11/16 at 17:45:55 6D7B6C71697C716A1E0 wrote:
Bot, I wish you would address the issue, not Trump, or? I respect your thoughts, and wish you could keep your critiquing to the topic. I think it would be much more conducive, and hopefully enlightening. Instead of acting like Trump when a question leaves him exposed, he deflects to chicks faces ;D Lets try this question: Why was this info withheld for 3 years? If we are trying to find out the truth, as to what happened, hoping to guard against this repeating itself again, we need to know the details..... Don't you think? |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by LostArtist on 01/11/16 at 18:58:07 63606822656268656D620C0 wrote:
the time frame is now KNOWN, but then it wasn't, uncertainty is a present issue, hindsight is 20/20 |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by old.indian on 01/11/16 at 18:58:53 2A3C2B362E3B362D590 wrote:
Todays 'choppers are fast and capable of in flight refueling.... We were going into hot LZs (Landing Zones) 50 f'n years ago against the NVA. So DO NOT say it couldn't be done. Since no one heard me the first time, I'll say it AGAIN. This administration is more concerned with not offending anyone than it is with the lives of its citizens !!!! |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by Kris01 on 01/11/16 at 19:42:31 51525A1057505A575F503E0 wrote:
I heard ya and agree completely! ;) |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/16 at 22:21:15 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/14/hillary_clinton_women_should_be_believed_when_they_claim_rape_have_to_increase_prevention.html |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by raydawg on 01/12/16 at 03:49:18 Can Paula and all the other women speak up now? Honestly, who other than those who just HATE republicans, can believe this women? |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by old.indian on 01/12/16 at 08:25:14 71524E497C4F49544E493D0 wrote:
the time frame is now KNOWN, but then it wasn't, uncertainty is a present issue, hindsight is 20/20[/quote] If you call 911 do you want/ expect them to discuss whether or not they should dispatch help based on their expectations that the help would arrive after the emergency was over ???? i.e.. "He'll probably die before the ambulance can get there, so we'll call the undertaker after lunch......." |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by Serowbot on 01/12/16 at 09:03:08 If you call from Libya,... yeah... What I want to know is,.. what did Hillary have for lunch that day?... ...and why is that info being withheld?... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by verslagen1 on 01/12/16 at 09:34:02 7C6A7D60786D607B0F0 wrote:
So, you're saying cause the wagons were circled and the indians were already on the warpath... that a can of whoopa$$ in flight forced to circle at the border waiting for clearance to land wouldn't done any good? All it would've took to clear the streets was a couple of squads with saws. and it was said that from the time of the alert, the can of whoopa$$ could've taken a commercial flight to Tripoli and still would've been in time to keep the ambassador from being drug out in the street. but you know, it's ok to feign a stroke... to remove top secret headers... to suppress evidence for 3 years... it's standard political modus operandi. |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by old.indian on 01/12/16 at 10:14:04 2D3B2C31293C312A5E0 wrote:
The call might be from Libya, but where is the ambulance located ??? Army base in Germany ? Naval base in Spain ? Navy ships in the Med ? 1961 my first tour of duty: I was the smallest marine on an aircraft carrier. Said carrier had a designated "landing team" made up of the Marine Detachment, Navy Gunners' Mates, Corpsmen, etc. We even had two Mess Stewards who were holders of the Army's Combat Infantry Badge. Even a rag- tag bunch like that would have been of more help than what was given by ....... Don't even ask my opinion of what the PC carrion eaters have for lunch... |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by raydawg on 01/12/16 at 10:27:27 Not sure where to place your reply bot. You want to know what she had for lunch, like that is on par with those who lost a loved one.... Why the need to minimize their feelings in order for you to keep your belief in Hillary? As I said, I don't know where to put such a stupid comment. |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/12/16 at 10:29:16 6472657860757863170 wrote:
If it was a republican your thinking would be different. She should be arrested. Right after Bush, and Obama. Ohh, and Bill. |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by Serowbot on 01/12/16 at 12:03:57 382B332E2B3D2D4A0 wrote:
You want me to tell you?... ;D |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by Dane Allen on 01/19/16 at 13:57:13 3127302D35202D36420 wrote:
Because four dead Americans is the equivalent of what Clinton had for lunch....hmmm :-[ for you. |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/16 at 18:04:43 I guess nobody remembers what I said when it happened. It was a plan to arm the bad guys. Stevens didn't wanna go along. The only way to shut him up was let the bad guys Take the weapons. Look whose flag was flying in Iraq when we left. Look at what we have done. You don't Really believe that the Refugee problem is just an Unintended Consequence, do you? If you don't Know what happened with the USS LIBERTY, spend time digging into that. LBJ forced reinforcements Back to their carriers. Should have been impeached and imprisoned, at best. Carter, IDK, but every other one in my memory was criminal, IMO. Except JFK, and his mistake was believing that he was untouchable because he was president. |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by pg on 01/19/16 at 18:50:57 342B2D2A3730013101392B276C5E0 wrote:
I saw an interview not long ago with a guy that survived that. With old glory flying high and direct communications with Israeli aircraft they unloaded with nearly everything they had. An absolute atrocity. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/16 at 18:55:18 NEARLY? The Captain literally had to shove his guts back in and keep going. Men were decorated in secret and sworn to secrecy. Over the years, truth leaked out. |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by pg on 01/19/16 at 18:59:16 I said nearly because it didn't sink. :'( Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/16 at 19:20:36 Yeah, I don't understand how that works either. What a blood soaked sieve of a boat that thing was. IIRC, it even took a torpedo. I'm thinking the men tasked with the job saw the valiant fight and simply didn't have the stomach to continue to attack such wounded men who were still fighting. The flag was shot down and replaced twice, I think. And yes, the pilots told their base it was American and asked what the order was. Attack and sink it. Had it gone down, Egypt would have been blamed and we would have gone to fight Israel's war for them. Hmmm, now isn't that something? |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by pg on 01/20/16 at 16:36:35 27383E3924231222122A38347F4D0 wrote:
Who's standard operating procedure is "by way of deception?" Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/16 at 18:43:58 Yes, it is. And LBJ was doing his Very Best to help sell it to the people. But, it didn't Sink. I'll bet he cussed for days. |
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Title: Re: Wow,,,,,, someone explain this please. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/16 at 18:50:44 Saudi oil workers at a drilling rig outside Riyadh. While the U.S has lots of global conomic, political, and military influence, the Saudis essentially have only one weapon at their disposal - oil production. And they're not going to give that up. Standing, shovel in hand, in front of a refinery. I'm not buying the Drilling part. |
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