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Message started by MMRanch on 01/01/16 at 09:55:52

Title: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/01/16 at 09:55:52

I ordered a new tire for the S-40. I've had Yokohama tires on my truck before with good results --- should be here in a few days ! :)

http://www.bigotires.com/Tire-Detail/YOKOHAMA/AVID-ENVIGOR/25850

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/01/16 at 10:45:24

I've had the thought :-? --- will the lower profile be less sensitive to sidewall flexing and cord damage ???

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/02/16 at 02:22:51

MM,

Remember, the squattier the car tire profile the harder it is to get a car tire bead to pop over the motorcycle rim.

:P

Remember, you use that sidewall height / flexibility to make it work, so doing away with a lot of that means a more rigid, inflexible tire.

And I think you will find Japanese sports car tires have very firm carcasses compared to what you used last time.

Pick a tire that will go in the envelope, but don't go super super short on the profile as it will make harder job mounting and be less conforming in hard turns.

In the end, it is all a big experiment ...... I suspect any tire that will pop over the properly greased bead will actually work OK as our Savage demands very little of a tire compared to a 2 ton (500 pound per tire) 150 mph front drive car tire that goes jest a squealing and a smokin' while drifting around a tight corner.

Looking forward to seeing it on the back of your bike.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/04/16 at 08:21:23

Hay, the new tire came today . I'm a little surprised how round the profile is .

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Dave on 01/04/16 at 08:27:01

And you may find that the "roundness" becomes even more so when you squeeze that tire onto a rim that is only 2.75" wide......most likely it was made for a much wider rim.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/04/16 at 09:28:14

It will , the natural stance for the rim with is about 4.5" . Its refereed to as a "Rain and Snow" tire.

I've got the Harley in my shop now with the fuel tank off. The tank is in the kitchen now. I just polished on the third layer of primer and am waiting on a warmer day to put some real paint on it. All the decals aren't here yet either.

Then the S-40 goes in for a tire change.! I'll take pictures of the mounting . Was thinking of using a narrow trim brush and a bottle of STP to help it seat . Question is .... Will the tire absorb the STP over time ? If not I'll use Grease like I've done before .

:)

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Dave on 01/04/16 at 09:50:19

Go to your nearest tire store or "old school service station" and see if they will give you some RU-GLYDE (or I can send you some). It is made for mounting tires and is so much better than all the other stuff I have tried.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/04/16 at 11:25:10

Thanks for the "Tip" Dave

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx/Lubricant-Tire-Mounting-RuGlyde/_/R-BK_7651338_0361142441

somehow I suspect this stuff is good for a lot of things

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Dave on 01/04/16 at 12:48:34

Yeah...I had to buy the gallon jug as well, that is the smallest size they sell.

When you are mounting the tire it could dry out a bit as you are working ...just take a small brush and add some more if it loses the slippery.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/04/16 at 16:54:42

say it's slippery ??? :P

so

HOW SLIPPERY IS IT ? ::)

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/04/16 at 18:28:10

https://shopping.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0SO8yApKotWPFYAPipx.9w4;_ylu=X3oDMTByNWU4cGh1BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=ru-glyde+tire+lubricant&trbkt=&fr=crmas

Sounds like good stuff.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Kris01 on 01/04/16 at 19:18:55

What size tire?

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/04/16 at 19:29:06

Kris

this one is a : AVID ENVigor 145/65-15
I'll mount it soon as I get my Harley out of my shop , hate to have both bikes down at the same time. ::)

The last one was a GoodYear Eagle GT 145/80-15 and it mounted with (best I remember) 50-ish lbs. and some grease .

This time I'll use this regular tire mounting lube. :o dang !!! I almost feel like a profesional !!! ;D

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/04/16 at 19:48:01

One side will pop on with the tire lube, the other side will have a section THAT JEST WILL NOT POP -- grease is the only path to take then.

You can cut off the excess rubber lip material (it gets in the way) so it looks and fits more like a motorcycle bead fits.

Nice looking tire -- how much?

I paid $35 for my first one, my second one cost $51 after taxes (if my feeble 'ol memory is serving at all).

I suspect tires will cost more and more and more each time I buy them.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Kris01 on 01/04/16 at 19:56:16

That tire is over 1.25" shorter than stock. That will really influence your gearing. Just FYI.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/04/16 at 20:00:56

OldFeller , its kinda embarrassing ,,, :-[ :-[ :-[ --- : Shipping and all it was $97.41 to my door. :-?

but I like the tread pattern and you know how long they last . :)

Do a search for 145/65-15 tire , there are some cheeper ones pop up.

I'll get back to ya'll when I go to mounting it :)

https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc?tires=140-80r15-145-65r15

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by runwyrlph on 01/05/16 at 05:14:46

I'm interested in how the mounting goes. A few years back I tried to mount a VW tire like in OF's old darkside thread. (I can't remember the exact size right now - maybe 135 R ?) Could not get it on the rim, actually tore the tire bead, destroyed tire trying. I was using dish soap for lube like always.

I have done all my own tires ever since getting the bike ( 6 or 8 by now I guess) but never had trouble like that!

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/05/16 at 05:35:26

2D3F2D3F32212E2328600 wrote:

OldFeller , its kinda embarrassing ,,, :-[ :-[ :-[ --- : Shipping and all it was $97.41 to my door. :-?

I expected the price to have doubled, that is what I always see when I go to buy tires or batteries -- the durn things cost twice as much as they did last time.

This time the ouch wasn't on me, however, that was an "observed ouch" which is calorie free.

::)

Same price as a bike tire, lasts 4 times longer -- still not bad .....

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by WD on 01/05/16 at 20:10:50

That is cheap. The crappy LT265/75R16E (31-10.50-16 10 ply rated) ChiCom mud tires I put on the 4wd Chevy last week were $178/ea out the door. Normally $209/ea out the door.

The tires I actually wanted, LT9.00-16G, a 14 ply rated bias 36-9.50-16, are $285 each, plus $40 each shipping, plus $25 each to mount and balance.

I paid $300 for the running and driving truck... And it is a V8 automatic with working everything and a good to decent body. >:(

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/05/16 at 21:41:47

Kris wrote :
That tire is over 1.25" shorter than stock. That will really influence your gearing. Just FYI.

yea I was looking at the link to speed correction ... looks like a 6% lost

https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc?tires=140-80r15-145-65r15

I can get my speed back with the Kawasaki front pulley +- 8% :) maybe plus a little ? if need be .

If I need long legs , I've still got the Harley (its got a taller primary + bigger front pulley). :P

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by verslagen1 on 01/05/16 at 21:47:17

see if the kawa pulleys, front and back will fix that.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Art Webb on 01/06/16 at 07:27:13

1A094D0 wrote:

darn you like serious tires
I guess farm work sort of requires them. I'm glad I don't need tires that serious

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/06/16 at 21:35:15

Versey wrote :

Re: see if the kawa pulleys, front and back will fix that.

O-Yea versey just the front Kawa pulley will fix the loss Plus an extra 2%.

tire - 6%
F. Pulley + 8%

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Dave on 01/07/16 at 05:57:10

I have never "darksided" myself - but I have mounted a lot of tires...with and without tubes.

The beads on car tires are about twice as wide as motorcycle tires, and mostly because of the need for the tire to stay seated on the rim when the car is turning and placing lateral forces on the tire.

I believe Oldfeller be onto something when he trims the rubber off the inside of the car tire before mounting it - it will be pretty hard to get those wide beads onto the narrow rim with the tube/valve stem between them.

When you are mounting the second side of the tire onto the rim - start on the side opposite the valve stem so that the last part of the tire to go over the rim is at the valve stem....that should help a little bit.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/07/16 at 07:46:41

Thanks Dave ! :)

Harley tank get first coat of paint Friday and hopefully last coat of clear coat next week , then its out of the shop and the S-40 goes in . ;)

I can hardly wait ! ::)

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/20/16 at 22:19:51

I hope to start on the dark side tire tomorrow ! Thursday that is . :)

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/21/16 at 06:28:35

When you figure out the section that won't pop up on the rim, don't screw around with liquid tire lube for too long -- go with the axle grease on that troubled section before you try and try and try and wind up kinking up your bead steel permanently.

And yeah, trim your excess bead lip rubber, it helps.

In contrast to Dave's recommendation, I would start seating the beads manually at the stem with the troubled section intentionally winding up being located away from the stem, simply because all the heavy tire iron action should be away from the stem to keep from catching it or damaging it.

With the inner tube being held centralized by the stem, there is a lot more tire iron scraping of the tube rubber that will take place. By doing it away from the stem the tire irons simply push the free floating tube out of the way over to the free space that is available inside the tire.

And yeah, I put a tiny bit of air in the tube to keep it from having saggy wrinkles that tire irons jest love to catch and pinch through. Not enough to show on a gage, but enough to very lightly feel when you push the stem in.

This way you stand a chance of being able to poke the stem out the hole and have it to stay there without getting all twisted around or damaged by tire iron action levering everything against the stem hole. I would only thread the outer nut a turn or three so the stem can move freely in and out over the length of the free threads during the wrassling match which you will take part in.

If your stem is cocked after the wrassing match is over, deflate completely but do so slowly while tugging on the stem to encourage the tire to move over at that magic point where it is inflated just enough to clear the rim and not big enough to seize its OD on the tire. Be patent, there is a zone where the inner tube is mostly floating free.

It generally takes a inflate/deflate or two to get the sucker go ahead and move back over to where it belongs.

::)

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/21/16 at 07:11:00

Thanks for the "Tips" there OldFeller ! :)

I had the notion to bring it up to max pressure and walk away for a few days . Kinda let it do some stretching/relaxing on its own. Then let the air out and lube the FARR out of it. In January time is on my side. ::)

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Dave on 01/21/16 at 07:22:37

Yep...it is January and that does give you some time.

However.....it doesn't allow you to set the tire out in the sun and get it really hot and flexible to make it a bit easier to wrestle with.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Art Webb on 01/21/16 at 07:29:25

stick it in the oven on 'warm'
Hide the wife's brooms, knives, and other potential weapons before doing this
ESPECIALLY THE CAST ARN SKILLET!

conversely you could just set it in front of a propane heater, I'm sure the ranch has one or two of those ;D

My trick for press in ball joints: ball joint in freezer, control arm in oven. Big Friggin Hammer (in addition to big fancy C clamp based ball joint press)

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by verslagen1 on 01/21/16 at 08:17:14

32090413020E151308000D12610 wrote:

Yep...it is January and that does give you some time.

However.....it doesn't allow you to set the tire out in the sun and get it really hot and flexible to make it a bit easier to wrestle with.

You may need to make a hot box.
if you got a glass pane (clear plastic will do) big enough to cover the tire.
Then build a box big enough to hold the tire and and use the glass plane to cover it, point it toward the sun and let mother nature do the work for you.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Dave on 01/21/16 at 08:26:36

I think I remember a wood stove in the dining room (most likely where the Harley tank was until ordered out of the house by the Domestic Goddess).

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/21/16 at 08:38:12

You fellers age GREAT to have around ! :P

There is no reason I can't bring the new tire on the rim into the house and set it by the wood stove !

Might even do some cleaning and polishing on the wheel part while I'm waiting for the tire to "Stretch" a bit ! ;)

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/21/16 at 13:32:25

Watch out that you don't heat soften the tire to the point it cannot stand the mounting air pressure you put on it .....

Heat it up empty then air it gently to 50 pounds or less to see if it will pop over the bead for you.

Airing it first to 50 and then heating it will make MORE than 50 lbs of air pressure AND heat soften the rubber some ..... mebbe a bad combination, that .......

MM,

I just bought 500 each 150 grain perfectly normal .308 hunting bullets that fit your Swiss K31 rifle, I'll bring you some when I see you next. Heck, I will even powder coat them with hexagonal boron nitride when I do all of mine.

:D ...... then you can go load you up some perfectly normal 150 grain K31 rounds that won't kick so durn much ......

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/21/16 at 15:26:11

Yea , we have a small bag of brass (20-30 ? ). I've got 170gr. cast to use , you know I like accuracy more than speed !. ;) 2000><2200 fps area : Its almost a shame to waste Jacked projectiles when lead will do just as well ?? :-?

Up Date on the tire saga :

So I got the old tire off as usual ,
Got the new tire 1/2 on and went after the tube ... :-[ ...

Well : come to find out --- :o --- a 140/150-90 series tube is bigger diameter than the OUT-SIDE of a 65 series tire . :-X
There ain't no way that tube is going to fit inside that tire ! :(

I've got a "Dirt Bike" 15" tube , I can use --- but I don't like the thought of stretching that little tube that much . :-X

I may see about getting a 80 series tire .

This Mitchelin Commander II has 25,000+ miles on it. but it's gone !

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/21/16 at 15:45:55

Buy a smaller inner tube

(that tire is a hundred bucks invested -- and it is not a sunk cost yet as a $10 tube makes it a viable project again)

;) or if you bought it local and can swap it for a wider/taller tire, hey go for it.

You can push aerodynamically efficient 150 grain jacketed slugs to 2,650 fps using book standard K31 loading data.

Or you could shoot what I sent you, 165 grain MatchKings at about the same fps.

The MatchKing bullets penetrate 6-7" then it makes an expanding cone of destruction out the far side of the deer as it tumbles and comes apart completely.

Messy, but good ..... you will be able to track them and they won't run far. Do hit them behind the shoulders in the lungs as hitting a near shoulder would waste both of the shoulder hams.

For the life of me I don't understand people not using enough bullet to do the job and having to break a shoulder just to anchor the animal and keep it from running off alive. Hey, there isn't that much edible meat on a small deer anyway.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g21/garddog223/TN20086pt.jpg

And hey, that IS the nicest deer impact picture ..... go search "sierra matchking hunting pics" if you want to see the ugly ones .....

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/21/16 at 21:30:44

That looks like a real hole ! :P

I only shot one this year. But it didn't have any hole like the one in that picture.

One shot with a 55gr. Nosler Varmagettain bullet (85-90 yards) . Deer dropped in its tracks , kicked once , no exit hole and tiny entrance hole. Lungs turned to gravy.

Guns that don't kick are easy to shoot accurately . :)

My local Bike shop didn't have a low profile tube , so I stuck the 90 series tube in .. :P .. . It is unbelievable tight inside that little tire. I'm thinking ::) "use that little 15" tire to replace the dry-rotted little farm tire on my hay rake and get another Mitchellin Commander ??
I might have pinched the tube getting it in there but even if I didn't its almost got to be wrinkled at least once. I'm looking at other car type tires (all 80 series this time) ;)

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/21/16 at 23:28:33

I like guns that kick some, but not as much as Lancer does, but more than you do.

I am going to make some 7mm heavy slug rounds at a very MODERATE velocity since I played all the heavy recoil games I care to play with that rather light rifle.

Ditto with the big '06 rifle, I will do me some more moderate fps 150 grain rounds looking for some stellar accuracy out of the gun, not searching out maximum wompingasskickingitus as I have done some of those already.

What you already have in the K31 will kill a deer plenty dead, MatchKing or the 170 grain cast slugs. Since you like to shoot from a raised stand at very moderate distances, you don't really need the long range ballistics either.

============================

Are you saying you can't swap out your skinny tire at where you bought it, or are you going to just going to go buy another one?

Did you get the bead to seat? If so, leave it for a day to stretch the bead zone good, then deflate it to zero (take the valve out) a half a dozen times and let the tube contract and expand to work itself around to conform to the smaller space.

Tubes are elastic in both directions, you know -- the walls can compress a bit or stretch a bit to line up with the space they are in.

Airing it down to zero and leaving it a while, then airing it back up just until the valve stem has very very light push back (take the nut almost off so you can move the stem in and out freely) is the trick, that is if the bead itself will stay mounted on the rim while you do that.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Art Webb on 01/22/16 at 08:03:06

4A584A58554649444F070 wrote:

at 2000 FPS doesn't that lead the bore a fair bit?
My prefered load in the .38 is the 'FBI load' (158 grain LSWCHP +p) and I alway run some jackets behind the lead to delead the bore as the bullets in that cartridge will lead the bore even at 900 or so FPS

I'm not very well versed with rifle rounds, I generally just use factory loads, and .30-30 and 3.62x39 aren't 'real' rifle rounds anyway
my old .308 was, but again, factory loads and all jascketed

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/22/16 at 08:16:27

Properly designed and fitted to the throat, cast lead bullets do not lead like you are used to seeing in revolvers.

30-30 Winchester was "the lightning fast" magnum jacketed round when it first came out with its light 170 grain bullet -- people gushed about how it killed like lightening. Black bear, elk, moose --- it could kill anything in North America. Five instant repeating shots, too. A smokeless wonder round with jacketed expanding bullets that worked at any distance you could shoot it accurately.

Now it and the 7.62x39 are in the same ball park, considered puny rounds by the shooting press.

Fact is, both will kill a deer or a black bear just as well as they did originally. 7.62x39 can be loaded with heavier expanding bullets for hunting, too. You just lose powder space while doing so.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Art Webb on 01/22/16 at 08:55:24

Oh I know they both do the job, I've popped deer with a .357 mag lol
just they don't have the sort of velocity and flat trajectory of, say, a .308, so they're classified as 'carbine' rounds rather than 'rifle' rounds
I loved my .30-30 for the sort of hunting I did (brush country) and the 3.62x39 is almost identical ballistically
It's not what you use to hit game at 300 yards, but it does fine in the brush
it's the right rifle for me
I guess cast bullets for rifles are probably harder than the dead soft lead in revolver bullets

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/22/16 at 08:57:41

Art
I use Gas-Checks on my cast rifle bullets and my own concoction bullet lube :) , been doing well with it for years. Long as speeds stay below 2200 fps , things are better than jackets , 2200-2400 is "iffiy" , and above that is TOTALLY out of the question. Lubed , lead bullets with gas checks "Slide" out the barrel "Slick-as-a-button" ;D
My plain base pistol cast bullets get Alox lube and stay below 1200fps. Think 22Mag 1950fps no gas check / powder lube.
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No
I can't take that 65 series tire back , but thats OK I've already replaced one of the hay rake tire and the other one need replacing now. (Dry Rot) :P
I put the tire , tube , rim together in the house last night . Its pouring rain now but when it lets up some I'll go to the shop and add some compressed air to the mix , might even add some tire lube if the inner tube hold air. ::) If it holds air I'll bring it back to the house and set it by the wood stove for a while and hope for the best.
If it don't hold air ... :-/ ... could turn-into a trip to Lynchburg Choppers to see what my buddy Pat has in stock.

All that snow is just a bit North and West of us now , but the day ain't over YET. :P

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/22/16 at 17:26:21

Well Fellers

I messed up when I got that 65 series tire. :-X

Its so little , there ain't nothing to "Stretch" so it can get on the rim.

I just got off the "Dennis Kirk" web site and now have a new IRC tube and a Kenda K673 140/90-15 on the way. Some of the reviews are claiming 20,000 + miles and I like the way it looks ::) .

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Kris01 on 01/22/16 at 17:33:27

I'm curious why you chose a 145/65-15. That tire is nearly 1.4" shorter than stock (or 2.5" shorter than a 140/90-15).

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by badwolf on 01/22/16 at 17:49:51

Good luck with the Kenda, I had them on my pc800 and with about half the tread left the rear got a big bubble in the tread. I guess it separated between the plys. Went back to the 555's.
I have a 3.5'' 15'' alum. rim on my s40 rear and could not get a car tire to inflate straight at all. 10 tries at 70 psi and I gave up. Had to cut that brand new tire off the rim. OUCH!

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/22/16 at 18:00:42

Kris

I wanted a 80 series all along .

But

Choices in 145/80-15 are very slim . Choices in 145/65-15 are comparable wide .

I (now) don't think that a 65 series would even work on a tubeless rim ! :P

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Kris01 on 01/22/16 at 19:20:44

I'm sure you'll be happy with the 140/90. I like it because it drops the rpms a little (~200) at 65 mph.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/22/16 at 20:45:56

Kris

4.4% is enough to notice !

https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc?tires=140-80r15-140-90r15

Hay Kris did I ask you yet if your going to TX. in April ?

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Kris01 on 01/22/16 at 22:03:57

You do notice it at first but then you get used to it and it becomes "normal". The 140/90 really should've been the stock tire, especially since there are what? 2? choices of tires in a 140/80 size?

I won't be able to make it to Tx. You guys meeting up? My older brother lives in Wascom. Say hello for me! ;D

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by old_rider on 01/22/16 at 22:27:25

122B302A6968590 wrote:

S' Ok.... try for one of the NC meet ups! I'm not sure i'll make it to Texas this year either....

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Art Webb on 01/23/16 at 07:50:20

19203B216263520 wrote:

I'm curious why you chose a 145/65-15. That tire is nearly 1.4" shorter than stock (or 2.5" shorter than a 140/90-15).

I wondered the same thing, a 135 / 80 would have made MUCH better sense imo, and they aren't too hard to find
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?width=135%2F&ratio=80&diameter=15&rearWidth=255%2F&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&zip-code=
not cheap but it'll last

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Art Webb on 01/23/16 at 07:53:08

another, and it is cheap, relatively speaking
https://www.cokertire.com/tires/firestone-f560.html

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/23/16 at 08:36:49

Art :o

I don't know if you noticed or not but :

That Firestone tire comes in ... you ready for this .... it comes in 145R13 . That is only 22 inches diameter . That is almost SuperScooter diameter. I wasn't thinking it through when I got that little 65 series tire but two years from now will be looking for anonther tire and that 145R15 looks good. 24.3" diameter looks good too ! :)

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by badwolf on 01/23/16 at 09:06:37

That Firestone in 145/15 is the one that the bead would NOT come up on my aluminum tubeless rim, got stuck so bad I had to cut it off & throw it away. There may be a slight difference in dimensions tween car & bike rims.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/23/16 at 09:18:29

I broke the bead on a Firestone 155x15, slicing my left wrist wide open when it happened.

I am no longer a fan of Firestone darksider tires, in other words.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/23/16 at 10:17:16

The only one I had an easy experience with was a : Goodyear Eagle GT 145/80-15. It seated with less than 50 lbs and lasted 25,000 miles (35lbs) before I lowered the air-pressure (22lbs) and took it Dragon Hunting . It survived the Dragon but on the way home on the interstate I found it had ripped cords. So It limped on home at 55 and 60.

:)

It was replaced with a Mitchellin Commander II that lasted 25+K miles

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Art Webb on 01/24/16 at 07:28:25

I did notice it comes in a size that might fit my scoot, if it weren't a 78 aspect ratio
The SW uses a 70 series on the rear (150/70/13)
If I try a car tire it'd be a 145/70/13, that's as close as I think you can get
I think for actual scooter tires the SW forum recommends a Michelin Power Pure IIRC, good grip, long wear (for a scooter tire) and flexi side walls that make it easy (relatively) to mount yourself
their darkside forum requires you be invited in, so I dunno what the car tire guys recomend

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/24/16 at 07:54:14

Restricted invite needed for the darksider discussion -- must be tired of all the "you're gonna put your eye out" comments.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Art Webb on 01/24/16 at 08:07:05

I'd imagine so, a few folks there are 'use what the factory put on it and nothing else! types

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Dave on 01/24/16 at 09:25:42

My 74 year old neighbor went darkside on the back of his 650 Burghman, and he has over 100,000 miles on it. One problem for his is the front tire, as he just can't find a front tire that lasts very long.

His front end was giving him a really harsh ride, and after a bit of diagnosis we found that the sag on his bike was too big, and when he sat on his bike 2/3rds of his fork travel was gone. We bought some stronger springs from Progressive and installed Emulators.....and it now rides a lot nicer.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/24/16 at 15:31:32

MM, here is a bag of 150 grain white death ...... want some?

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_20160124_180344513.jpg

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/24/16 at 16:44:17

OldFeller

White Death ! ;) We could make a movie with that title ! ::)

Yea , I'd love to have a couple of those to mount in Anders's rocket launcher . You got any idea how fast the ones you loaded are running ? It might be good to stay in the same FPS range so the scope don't have to be re-set. :)

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/24/16 at 23:30:28

We chrono'd them while we were at your place, but I misremember the numbers and I find I didn't keep a data sheet on it in my results book.

poor old faint memory says 2,550-ish, 2,600-ish -- I wasn't impressed by the speeds although they are about book max for K-31 according to the modern loading books.

You might want to toss a few over your chrony and see.

I kinda got discomboobulated on that trip by walking scopes, the K-31 was the only rifle that actually held its scope in place and I remember a roughly 1" group size on the site in target. The gun lived up to its reputation, anyway.

It's funny, those 165 grain Matchkings are a weight and size match to the standard military round -- the Swiss military shot match grade ammo and that is all they ever made for that gun.

Long distance death dealing Viking watch makers -- the whole lot of them, both them and the Swedes .... ::)

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/24/16 at 23:46:48

Different bullet weights, different powders, likely minor different point of impact.

Sometimes lighter/faster simply hits slightly lower on the same center line ----- but not always.

That's why I keep a book and out of all the loads I shoot out of the 7mm-08 I have picked the one that shoots "central" to all the rest, I tune scopes to it and trust the others to hit within inches of it.

Hunting accuracy isn't required to the inch, it is required to the paper plate sized group.

Everything I have for 7mm-08 loads will hit on the same pie plate at 100 yards. Most of the middle weight and light weight rounds will hit on the same 200 yard pie plate too.

Extra recoil says the 150 grain and 160 grain stuff in 7mm-08 tosses high, but it is by a known amount (4" max). I need to redo that study with the loctited scope tube and the locking reticles, I may have less spread now as the entire scope was moving while I was at your place.

Your .308 diameter K-31 stuff is all going to be within 10 grains of each other and running in the same speed range, so it should print close together (big ASSumptions there, gotta actually go do it).

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Kris01 on 01/25/16 at 06:16:18

082B2321222B2B2235470 wrote:

Long distance death dealing Viking watch makers -- the whole lot of them, both them and the Swedes .... ::)

I'm still laughing over that one! ;D

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Oldfeller on 01/25/16 at 08:06:13

K-31 shooting at a mile and a quarter distance, stock with open sights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqwG2caxNo8

Did you know that every Swiss male at age 18 enters the military? He only leaves a couple of years later to carry his rifle home with him to become a member of the militia, where he remains the rest of his life? That girls can do the same thing, but it is voluntary, not enforced, on their parts?

Twice a year the militia man qualifies as being physically fit and able to fire his weapon accurately. Shooting is a part of his social structure with men going to the range additional times during the year to shoot and BS together.

You want a hunting permit? Sure, go hit that (moving) running moose target in the kill zone from 300 yards 3 times in a row ......

A Prussian general once boasted he could mass 4X the entire population of Switzerland on the boarder inside 24 hrs. His host replied that the local population could handle that problem with them only having to use 4 magazines of ammo each (they are kit out with side pouches holding 6 magazines per soldier) and would be firing from the same redoubts that they practiced from each year. Biathlon (skiing and shooting) is a offshoot of the Swedish and Swiss military training -- to be able to shoot accurately after extreme exertion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Redoubt_(Switzerland)

http://https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/ReduitSchweiz.gif

Prussia never invaded, and really Nazi Germany only extended their "influence" over the area but never actually tried to move troops into it. Cracking Switzerland is simply NOT WORTH IT as it would be very expensive to the invading army.

Each Swiss 18 year old is trained as a rifleman and as a field artilleryman. Yep, artillery, anti-personnel and anti-tank.

Some of those scenic Swiss chalets you see up on the ridge lines -- well, they aren't chalets at all.

http://https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Infanteriewerk_Sufers_00.JPG/220px-Infanteriewerk_Sufers_00.JPG
Camouflaged infantry fortification in Sufers (machine gun bastion left, antitank gun right, housing and connecting tunnel underground)

A whole nation full of people that can shoot you at a mile out or drop a shell on your head from 17 miles, yeah, let's go invade them .....

Drop neutron bombs on the passes and intentionally kill all the people in the surrounding villages is about the only way to successfully invade Switzerland.

So not worth it.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Art Webb on 01/25/16 at 09:05:21

That's not even figuring the mountain passes you need to traverse with them rolling boulders down on your head ;D

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by verslagen1 on 01/25/16 at 09:24:43

If there was any doubt what a single marksman can do against the german army... look up sgt york.

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Art Webb on 01/25/16 at 09:59:20

or watch the movie if historical accuracy isn't quite as important to you
*turkeycall* ;D

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by MMRanch on 01/25/16 at 22:01:09

So why does the National Democratic party include "Dis-Arming America" as one of their things to do ?

I'm thinking "Move to Switzerland" , it sounds like my kinda place . :)

Title: Re: Dark siding again
Post by Kris01 on 01/26/16 at 16:51:59

The tall blondes aren't half bad either! ;)