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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Noo! You don't say! /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1451273384 Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 12/27/15 at 19:29:43 |
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Title: Noo! You don't say! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/27/15 at 19:29:43 http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-czech-leader-calls-migrant-wave-in-europe-an-organised-invasion-2015-12?r=UK&IR=T He went on to say that compassion was "possible" for refugees who are old or sick and for children, but not for young men who in his view should be back home fighting against jihadists. "A large majority of the illegal migrants are young men in good health, and single. I wonder why these men are not taking up arms to go fight for the freedom of their countries against the Islamic State," said Zeman, who was elected Czech president in early 2013. But, ya can't argue with stupid or politically correct. Wait. That's redundant. |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by DesertRat on 12/27/15 at 19:36:51 he does have a point. but, there are those who seek peace having lived in that violence their entire lives. let them eat cake I guess. |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/27/15 at 21:02:37 I wonder who they blame for their country being turned into a war zone. Looking at the pictures I have to wonder what the population of those war torn places looks like. The refugees look to be disproportionately young males. Looking at the damage and crimes committed in Europe, including rapes and murders, I hope that our always smart, always doing the right thing for the American people, have enough sense to Not be bringing these people HERE. Is there nowhere in the world that would be better? What jobs a r e waiting on More People in America? Just exactly how much unemployment do we need before the evil bubs, who want cheap labor, will stop demanding open borders? What good is cheap labor when you have no clients?Poverty stricken people don't BUY a helluvalot. Maybe it's time to, not REthink, but for the first time, THINK,about the lack of immigration law enforcement. You really believe that it's all been about republicans wanting cheap labor? What does that say about dems? They don't own businesses? They pay more? Where DID the idea that the open borders policies are because of republicans come from? Did YOU think it up, all by yourself? Or maybe the media helped? Am I alone in just being absolutely flabbergasted that EVERY Trade Deal DONE since we were children has just screwed us OVER? What Happened? Those crafty lawyers in the Also Ran countries just outfoxed our best and brightest? And the mistakes never get reversed, only compounded. Just be sure to pay attention to the news media that you want to believe. Remember what IKE said. Look at what has happened since. What would America look like had we failed to adequately heed that warning? That's not hard to answer. Look around. |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by DesertRat on 12/27/15 at 21:11:30 you're preaching to the choir boss .... |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by Serowbot on 12/27/15 at 21:15:26 It may be "safer" to restrict young, healthy, males,... but allowing the sick, elderly, women, and children,... without allowing the breadwinners... will guarantee welfare... They send their young, strong, healthy men,.. to establish financial security for the family... you would do the same... it's just common sense... Look at history... Was America settled by our mama's, little sister's, and elderly grampa's?... Anglo-American's sent their youngest, strongest, and most ambitious... Many of these people, have never even left their home town ... this is a terrifying prospect to them... Leaving everything you have ever known, is not easy... |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by pg on 12/27/15 at 21:21:25 America doesn't need anyone else. We have close to a 100 million people not working, let alone making a living wage. 10s of millions illegal immigrants taking more jobs, we can't feed the people we have. Not to mention 20 trillion of debt. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by Serowbot on 12/27/15 at 21:50:19 Allow me to present this as a moral dilemma... ... or,.. a "what would Jesus do?"... What is a "moral" decision?... When is your morality questioned?... It is when you are asked to make a decision based on right vs wrong, without consideration of how it will effect you and yours... Any decision that is to your benefit... asks nothing from you. When a decision asks that you set aside selfish reasoning, and do something that may not better your circumstance... may even worsen, or endanger your personal realm of security... that you are making a moral decision... In spite of it's effect on me and mine,... this is the right thing to do... Millions of people are running terror... and amongst those millions, there may be a few that mean you harm... |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by pg on 12/27/15 at 22:12:10 3422352830252833470 wrote:
Wow, an atheist utilizing "WWJD"? ;D Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/27/15 at 22:18:34 Not only did he Do that, he Nailed it. Very succinct explanation. |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by pg on 12/28/15 at 00:15:42 4C5355524F4879497941535F14260 wrote:
More drivel from the left. That mind-set is only going to expedite the transformation from the world's most prosperous nation in history to a third world economy. If it is good for the collective, it compromises the principle of individualism and the pursuit of happiness. That is the fundamental difference I have with the left. Their views directly affect the everyone, if it is not good for the collective it is intolerable to them. If you want to help them, feel free to donate your time, money, better yet go get on a plane and really help them. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by Paraquat on 12/28/15 at 06:09:27 Why don't we send them some guns and train them to fight for themselves. (I have to add that I'm aware of the irony) --Steve |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by WebsterMark on 12/28/15 at 06:48:36 They send their young, strong, healthy men,.. to establish financial security for the family... you would do the same... it's just common sense... You've got a big heart, but that will get innocent people blown into small pieces or shot full of holes. If we let 100,000 "refugees" in, some of them will be our enemies. You have to see that don't you? Yes America is the best and brightest, we are that city on a hill, but there are too many already dedicated to inflicting damage on us. We need to step back and say no for a while. |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by WebsterMark on 12/28/15 at 07:12:45 6670677A62777A61150 wrote:
Well, ask yourself that question. What personal impact will mass immigration from suspect countries have on you, Sew? What impact will it have on Obama, Hilary? The answer to both questions is no impact. The top politicians will always have armed guards and be protected. You are just one in 300 million in this country so the odds are in your favor you won't be shot at a concert, blown apart watching a marathon, killed at a Christmas work party or shot down at a military base by an officer. Someone will, but it won't be you or Hilary or Obama. This WWJD moral delemma for you is nothing of the sort. There is no delemma, you risk nothing either. This is a political ideology exercise, that's all. And as such, you're required to take the liberal position which while perhaps heartwarming, is nonetheless, foolish and dangerous. A great analogy is that liberals are like children and conservatives like adults. Adults desperately need children to keep them from driving in in a rut and not venturing out, but children desperately need adults to keep them from driving off a clifff. |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by Serowbot on 12/28/15 at 07:39:48 1A282F3E39283F002C3F264D0 wrote:
...and how is that different than anyone else?.... You just proved my point... All this fear mongering is just to stir the base of the Right Wing... Happens every election cycle... Fear Mexicans,.. fear Muslims,.. Liberals will make us unsafe. Be afraid.... Vote because you are afraid... Fear is great motivator. These people are being used as a political tool... meanwhile, the reality of their circumstance is ignored. They are not human to us,.. they are an issue. |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by raydawg on 12/28/15 at 08:01:35 What would Jesus do about unplanned pregnancies bot? Yeah.....I expect no answer, or your normal dodge. BTW, your explanation about the young men makes sense. But I must wonder why can't the current coalition fight the cause of their exile, and let these people stay in their homeland? Seems that would be the ideal solution for them and alleviate the strain on others having to accept them...... Why is this not happening? Love this observation: You just proved my point... All this fear mongering is just to stir the base of the Right Wing... Sure thang punkin, like Global Warming, huh...... or repubs are going to make you drink dirty water and old folk eat dog food because of their tax cuts for the wealthy.... Pot, meet kettle ;D |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by WebsterMark on 12/28/15 at 08:03:33 ...and how is that different than anyone else?.... Because someone WILL die, that's a given. It won't be you, but it will be someone. You demand gun control laws to reduce the possibility someone will get killed. What's the difference? I'm demanding immigration control. Let me make a few corrections below... All this fear mongering is just to stir the base of the Left Happens every election cycle... Fear Be afraid.... Vote because you are afraid... Fear is great motivator. |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by raydawg on 12/28/15 at 08:16:07 536166777061764965766F040 wrote:
Web, not only that, but the left ideology controls academia, just look at the recent activities on campus, etc. Couple that with the FACT the lefts concern is toward the teachers welfare more than the kids education, as they fail these children in the inner/poor cities and fight all attempts at unaccountably or alternative schooling, etc.... Their policies are keeping these kids in poverty and on the lowest rung of societies ladder, then they blame the right as racist, ripe baby. BLM is on to this and hopefully will expose this activity in such a manner those guilty of the policies that ensured an uneducated populace, that can be manipulated to fight their battles, will die by the sword they crafted to strike others..... |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by raydawg on 12/28/15 at 08:51:00 Here is where bot goes to feed..... http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/george-soros-donald-trump-ted-cruz-fear-tactics-217164 |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by MnSpring on 12/28/15 at 17:05:02 WM says: “ … You demand gun control laws to reduce the possibility someone will get killed. What's the difference? I’m demanding immigration control. …” Totally Correct ! Dawg you say: “ … the left ideology controls academia, just look at the recent activities on campus, etc. Couple that with the FACT the lefts concern is toward the teachers welfare more than the kids education, as they fail these children in the inner/poor cities and fight all attempts at unaccountably or alternative schooling, etc.... Their policies are keeping these kids in poverty and on the lowest rung of societies ladder, then they blame the right as racist, ripe baby. …” I totally Agree. However you go on to say: “ … BLM is on to this and hopefully will expose this activity in such a manner those guilty of the policies that ensured an uneducated populace, that can be manipulated to fight their battles, will die by the sword they crafted to strike others …” This is where it is confusing. IF, BLM’s goal is, trying to, ‘expose this activity’, they are NOT being lead correctly, they are not doing the things, that can make themselves heard. What they are doing, is just increasing the hatred, and causing MORE, people to totally Laugh, at their, ‘Antics’. Gee, 20-30 of them, march out in a freeway, and stop traffic. Or lay down on a light rail track. Those people, in the Cars, and on the Train, do NOT, listen to them. In Fact, they dislike them even MORE, because they Disrupted, their life. If you have a message, and it is not getting out. Yes, you call attention to that message, in a, ‘Peaceful’ way. Go the the Capital building, Call a press conference, pass out literature, etc. Do, NOT, Loot, Riot, start Fires, overturn Cars, Shout, ‘Death’ chants, do Not disrupt lives of people that have nothing to do with the, ‘cause’. Because by doing those things, it just make your, ‘cause’, go down the drain Faster ! I believe their are two possibilities. One, the, ‘Leaders’, of that movement, are ‘Paid’ to lead, the wrong way. Or, they have been so indoctrinated, to believe that, Looting/Rioting/Fires/Death chants/ etc will further their cause. |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by MnSpring on 12/28/15 at 17:54:29 6771667B63767B60140 wrote:
Bot. I am asking for that XLT Leather Jacket. (or a Fillson double cape wool jacket), same size, (only in Fillson, add Extra Long). You know Nothing about me. You do NOT, know what I have in a bank account. You do NOT, know Anything about me. The only thing you do know, is, ‘I Am Asking you to, 'Give Me'. You can surmise, I live in a colder Climate than you do. You know, how, ‘a few extra dollars will not affect you’. So, when can I expect delivery of said Jacket ? Oh and: " ... and among those millions, there may be a few that mean you harm ..." I Mean you NO Harm, Really !!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by raydawg on 12/28/15 at 18:58:04 01221F3C3E25222B4C0 wrote:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They are in dire need of some organizational leadership. MSpring, if you remember the first attempt(s) to organize the frustration, and anger, at the entrenched politicians and the system that only allowed access into ( it ) via their "good ol' boys and girls" club.......Joe Sixpack had no chance. It was given a name so the entrenched could demonize it, and so the Tea Party became the target, not the issues that they were concerned with. The repubs/conservatives tried to tap into it, but that was all show, and kept the squabble going between parties and off those problems these folks-were upset about. I would bet most are for Trump at the moment, only because he is appearing to buck those entities that keep the powers in their favor.... I think the BLM has awoken to being played. Yes, they too are the benefactors of that education system and enabling, that keeps them "down and out" so control is possible. It will take years to shake the damage the Black population has been subject to by racist polices under the guise they are repairing racial discrepancies in our society. Remember the founding reasons Planned Parenthood came into being...... They have just gotten a little more sophisticated at the slight of hand moves, is all. |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by MnSpring on 12/28/15 at 19:26:09 raydawg wrote: " ... the first attempt(s) to organize the frustration, and anger,... " [/quote] Was Looting, Fires, Rioting, Shouting Death Threats. That's ALL people, remember. |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by raydawg on 12/28/15 at 20:10:57 0A291437352E2920470 wrote:
Was Looting, Fires, Rioting, Shouting Death Threats. That's ALL people, remember. [/quote] YES........ BINGO!!!! The tactic by the "entrenched" has changed. They have victimized the victims, planting the notion they are entitled to rebel in such a manner. It puts the focus on them, as in BAD, instead of going after the real issue, that Black policies are NOT these " I feel your pain" politicians, concerns and goals. It is a useful fool tool that was beginning to think for itself..... They can not allow that to happen, it could become a movement and threat. |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/28/15 at 22:20:22 hat is a "moral" decision?... When is your morality questioned?... It is when you are asked to make a decision based on right vs wrong, without consideration of how it will effect you and yours... Any decision that is to your benefit... asks nothing from you. When a decision asks that you set aside selfish reasoning, and do something that may not better your circumstance... may even worsen, or endanger your personal realm of security... that you are making a moral decision... In spite of it's effect on me and mine,... this is the right thing to do... That's exactly correct. It's not drivel. I'm not stupid or illiterate. I KNOW that's a very good, off the cuff explanation of what a Moral Decision is. I Completely disagree with almost everything Bot says, but I don't play games and when someone is right, I admit it. Now, the claim that Be afraid Be afraid Pick a reason, race, immigrant group, I call bullshit on that. The Amish aren't wrecking Europe. The Canadians haven't been shooting up California. Our borders have been open for decades. The left blame the bubs. I guess that means that democrats are not as successful in business, because it's the bubs who want cheap labor. Im DONE ASKING. ANSWER THE QUESTION. How much unemployment is necessary to achieve cheap labor? At what point does it Cease to be valuable to see further immigration? If it's just Greedy bubs Wanting cheap labor Who will they sell to in a destroyed economy? Don't you see you've been sold a lie? |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by pg on 12/28/15 at 23:08:19 ANSWER THE QUESTION. I assume this is directed towards me. How much unemployment is necessary to achieve cheap labor? The multinational's greed knows no bounds, it is not possible to definitively define a parameter. At what point does it Cease to be valuable to see further immigration? When John Williams of shadowstats says our unemployment rate is 5%. If it's just Greedy bubs Wanting cheap labor Who will they sell to in a destroyed economy? It is not just the bubs, the dems are just as complicit. They did not punish anyone on Wall Street after the meltdown. Don't you see you've been sold a lie? Everything has been a lie, which one are you referring to? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Noo! You don't say! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/29/15 at 01:22:10 actually, anyone who believes the border policy is to keep labor costs down for the bubs. ive heard it for years. |
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