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Title: Might be trading the S40 Post by Art Webb on 12/24/15 at 08:14:19 So one of the things keeping me from financing an RV was a lack of credit history I have 'revolving' credit history, (the credit card) but no items financed I'm paying off or have paid off I looked at a 2007 F150 with tow package, but the payments would be too much I can however, get a Moto or scooter, and am approved for a 2012 Silver Wing Ever since I rode a Burgman 400 I've actually liked the idea of a scooter, and if this one is comfy, I might jump on it If I do, I will defray the cost somewhat by trading the S40, as I really can't ride / maintain 3 vehicles on my income Insurance would of course go up, and disposable income down I'm sort of dithering on weather to jump or not ;D |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Serowbot on 12/24/15 at 09:29:47 Have you taken into account the maintenance cost?... I don't think you'll be doing much of your own wrenching on that machine... Secondly,... it's 550lbs!... nearly the weight of my Sportster... It's the Scootertanic!.... ;D Besides those two qualms,... it's just a matter of liking it... It's a very different machine... I'm sure it's a very capable machine... Life is short... You want it,... buy it... :) You'll still be very welcome here... |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Art Webb on 12/24/15 at 20:43:09 you'd be surprised how light 550lb feels when the weight's all down low, but yeah, I'm gonna look into a Swing forum, see how much of their own wrenching the Swing guys do, and how bad it looks I rode a Burgman 400 once and liked it, so we'll see other down is, while it will help build some credit, it'll also take money away from building myself a home, do I go that route Honestly I did have 2nd thoughts today when my truck's engine decided to run a high Idle 'If this was my old 76 chevy, I'd KNOW what's causing this" another issue: loading it into the truck if I need to the S40 I can play the throttle and clutch and she'll walk right up the ramp not sure how the 'automatic' in a scoot might do there |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/24/15 at 21:10:50 I went looking for complaints. Didn't see any off hand. http://www.motorscooterguide.net/Suzuki/Burgman400/Reviews/Burgman-400.html Nothing but good... everything is relative, don't expect a Gold Wing ride, but it sounds like a dependable machine. |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by MMRanch on 12/24/15 at 21:52:22 Art , don't know if you thought about this yet but : An old ridding buddy of mine had a 400 Suzuki scooter. He and his wife are both "Big" people but on flat ground that little 400 kept up with me and my skinny wife (LS650) everywhere we went --- except --- up hills. One "early summer we took of on a day ride with our wifes and his rear tire went flat 80 miles from home. He said "I just put that on new last fall ! ". It was bald !! Seems those little tires don't last long. It was a really low profile 13" but WAY smaller than a car tire. Me and him rode my Savage 40+ miles one way carrying the flat to find a bike shop that had a replacement. There was a local Yamaha shop but they didn't have no Yamaha's with "Tires like that" as the shop guy put it. Me and him swapped bikes on a guy ride one time. I was impressed at how that thing took off. When I pulled it open from a standing stop the tach. went to 5000 and stayed there till I crossed 60mph then it started climbing too. and it didn't take long to get up to 80 or so where I let off it a little. If a car tire would fit in that little space left out for the rear tire it would help. :) I never even looked at the 650 version to see how big of a tire would fit it. ? |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Paladin. on 12/24/15 at 23:24:08 7E6C7E6C61727D707B330 wrote:
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Art Webb on 12/25/15 at 09:25:14 Food for thought MM, though a 600cc and 50 HP I think it'll keep up and shame on your buddy for not looking at his tire once in a while 150/70/13, car tire might fit, but as Paladin said, get what ya pay for I am entertaining all opinions, I want to make an informed decision I do know I've found a review by a fella with arthritis in his knees that should be part of Honda's add copy "a blessing for bikers with arthritis" I have that malady in my knees It definitely will not have the 'elemental' feel of a simpler moto, and keeping it running might not be so simple, as Sero said I'm still awaiting approval of my membership on a Swing forum, so I can ask questions |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Art Webb on 12/29/15 at 09:47:27 Did not go look at the Swing today Too cold to ride, and I got other stuff more pressing to take care of |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Kris01 on 12/29/15 at 16:40:09 I've seen car tires mentioned a lot lately. Would that not be a bad idea considering the sidewalls aren't made for a bike? A car tire wouldn't roll over like a mc tire. |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/29/15 at 19:16:10 By the way, Kris, how do you like your 140/90 tire? Is it good in the twisties? Do you feel like the taller gearing makes the bike luggy in the twisties? Do you strain pulling out from steep hills? Do you ever feel like driving the speed limit puts you in between gears, where neither gear is quite right? Say you are doing 45-- does 3rd gear feel too short and 4th too tall? Of course, 2nd to 3rd would be worse in that respect. I'm tempted to get a cheap Shinko 735 130/90, but I am still considering the 140 for lower revs and maybe better gas mileage. ;) |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Kris01 on 12/29/15 at 19:30:03 Technically the 130/90 should handle better but I don't push my bike that hard so I've not noticed any handling deficiencies. I love the slight upgrade in gearing. I've lost about 300 RPM at 65 mph. 5th gear really should have been geared a lot better by the factory. The gears really haven't changed that much. 1st is a little slower than stock but you only notice it when you first swap to a 140/90. After a week or so it's not noticeable. I'll stick with the taller tire for the life of the bike. Besides, with this size, there are more tires available when you need them. |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Oldfeller on 12/29/15 at 19:43:15 5A6378622120110 wrote:
Kris, car tires have flexible side walls and operate (in the correct 30-35 psi air pressure range) as they are designed to do when installed on the steering (front) tires on a car. In any normal or sane person's turns the tread stays mostly flat to the pavement and the sidewall flexes to set up the turn while keeping the tread flat to the pavement. (mostly, unless you are doing the insane sharp mountain turns like we do up at the dragon). In doing so a car tire keeps a much larger & flatter oblong contact patch in contact with the pavement, and it grips on a Savage at the same level or better that the much smaller motorcycle "round oval" contact patch does. Folks tell me at a full dragging lean I only use the inside half of my rear tire, but that "half of a MUCH wider thread width" much flatter oblong patch is still 3x-4x larger than the round-oval contact profile zone that a bike rear tire gets at the same lean angle. The rubber used on the bike tire HAS be a lot stickier (softer) to work in a mountain turn, the car tire rubber can be a more durable tougher rubber and because of the larger contact patch still work just as well as the bike tire -- remember, contact gripping formula is "coefficient of friction times the contact area". This is part and parcel of the low life you get out of a bike rear tire (generally 1-2 years) vs the well over 6 years of use you can get out of a car tire (with miles being the same on each type of tire). I have run both car and motorcycle rear tires up at the Dragon, as has MM. Dave has seen both of us in front of him, as has Lancer and others. A car tire on the rear of a Savage can perform as well in the mountains as far as handling, grip, wet traction, etc. etc. goes. It does it every year, in extremes of braking and cornering that make the front rotor turn deep black purple from the heat generated. The biggest downside of running a car tire is MOUNTING the sumbitch. Mounting a car tire is troublesome and dangerous, and you have to use MM's trick of greasing the section that does not want to pop with axle grease to get it to pop up on the bead without using excessive air pressure. This works because the entire ungreased side and the ungreased part of the side that was greased keeps the tire nice and stable and stationary until the rubber in the bead itself can absorb the thin coat of grease that you used. Oils and waxes and soaps are a natural part of rubber, so the little bit of grease you added just "goes into solution" over time and becomes part of the rubber just like the rest of the oils, soaps and waxes used in making the rubber. Last issue is this, unless you have a bike shop that does a lot of darksider tires for the long distance touring crowd (Goldwings and big Kawasaki bikes) you will have no one local to you with the skills and experience to put a car tire your bike safely. I still have an inch and a quarter long scar on my left wrist from a Firestone bead that broke on me before I started using MM's grease trick Too much air pressure CAN break a bead you know, especially if it is kinked over the bead like it is before it seats. The actual mounting of the car tire and the popping of the bead is when your maximum risk takes place ...... Where a car tire shines is in touring mode though, as the tire contact area is 5x-6x wider and a bit longer than a bike tire's contact patch, even after you have worn that hideous flat spot into your softer motorcycle rear tire's profile. And if you are riding upright, why you get to use ALL of the BIG flat contact zone and that makes for very little braking/acceleration wear compared to what a softer rubber smaller rounded contact zone bike tire will see. :) |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Kris01 on 12/29/15 at 20:30:16 So apparently car tires are used quite frequently on the back of motorcycles. Hmmm, never considered that! :) |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by MMRanch on 12/29/15 at 20:50:11 Kris I got over 23,000 miles on the Mitchellen Commander II that I'm replacing before spring. I had almost 25,000 miles on a Goodyear Eagle GT. 145/80-15 before I messed it up by lowering the air pressure down to the low 20's.lbs. The Eagle GT was little more than half wore out. I should have left it aired up to 35-38 lbs. range but ! ::) |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/29/15 at 20:53:37 I recently measured my rear tire circumference. If accurate, it is somewhere around 73.25 inches diameter, at least an inch less that what it should be. That would shorten the gearing a bit. Even a 130/90 would make the gear taller than the factory size, especially this tire. It seems that my gas mileage has dropped. It's not really easy to get an accurate reading, but it seems around 50 mpg. I was getting better, I think. That was before the white spacer mod. Why does the thing that makes my bike run smoother and stronger have to be less efficient? :( Maybe I need taller gearing ;). |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Kris01 on 12/29/15 at 21:15:09 In order to run more efficiently, you have to burn more gas. ;) |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Oldfeller on 12/29/15 at 22:10:41 And, because it runs better you twist your wrist faster and earlier. Because you like what it is doing now so much better you are using it more. More RPMs becomes less efficient, especially when you get there quicker. |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Art Webb on 12/30/15 at 07:11:20 I dunno about that 'twist the wrist faster and earlier' thing, I have not done the spacer mod, and I find myself grabbing big handfuls of throttle to get out of that awful flat / surgy spot as fast as I can My mileage averages well below 50 Oldfeller covered car tires far better than I could have hoped to, and nailed it, so I won't even try, except to +1 that part of his post Myself I will be going from the 140 / 90 to the 130 / 90 next rear tire change, as I prefer a bike that responds more quickly to a lighter touch, and the 140 requires a bit heavier hand 130 / 90 is available in a number of tires that have a good rep What I really rather do is fit a larger rear rim so I could take advantage of the tire sizes available for sportier bikes I always dream about a Ryca CS2 conversion, or maybe trying to do something similar myself |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Art Webb on 01/09/16 at 01:31:22 Well, I finally got to look at the Scootanic today, and I pulled the trigger S40 is gone :( and the Swing is taking it's place downsides: low speed handling will require some work, as the clutch goes to freewheeling below 2k RPM, you have to load the throttle against the brakes to keep the power on. This will take some practice the handling will never be as good as a 'real' moto at low speeds / on tigh twisties I don't really like the tipsy feeling at low speeds upsides, felt very relaxed at 70 during the test ride, better gas mileage, underseat storage (enough to hold 2 FF helmets) 24 month 'warranty' in case of breakage my monthly payment will be 121 and change, not too shabby I think in the long run I'll be glad I did this, though i suspect I will miss the S40 said and done, I mostly ride high speed highway now, and the Swing, I think, is a better bike for that |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by springman on 01/09/16 at 15:12:35 Good for you Art. I hope you enjoy the heck out of this new bike. I would normally say "Thump on", but I'll just say, ride on! |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by MMRanch on 01/09/16 at 18:48:55 Art So did you get the 400 or the 650 version ? :-? |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Art Webb on 01/09/16 at 20:50:24 Thanks Springman, i guess after all the years of hot rods I'm ready for a cadillac, I want comfort Will ya still ride with me bro? ;D MM, you're thinking of the Burgman, the Silverwing only comes in one flavor: 600 cc, so that's what I got |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by gizzo on 01/09/16 at 20:55:38 Good on ya Art. Hope you enjoy the heck out of it 8-) |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Art Webb on 01/09/16 at 21:12:30 Thanks Gizzo |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by springman on 01/09/16 at 22:39:13 No worries mate. Riding is riding, whether you are thumping or not. Glad to ride with you. Sounds like this new bike will serve you better anyway since you are on the super slab so much now. Congrats. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Art Webb on 01/10/16 at 06:50:38 :) |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Dave on 01/10/16 at 10:34:17 I think I missed something. At one point we were talking about the Burgnmans, and now it is a "Swing" and I have no idea what that is? |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Kris01 on 01/10/16 at 11:19:23 http://powersports.honda.com/2012/silver-wing-abs.aspx |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by MMRanch on 01/10/16 at 13:59:16 Hay ! We have our "Token Super Scooter" now ;) Try not to run off and leave us too much ::) . |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by pg on 01/10/16 at 15:20:19 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IsvvyMR16Y[/media] 161 kmh = 100 mph :o Best regards |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Kris01 on 01/10/16 at 19:52:12 Won't play for me. Try this instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1IsvvyMR16Y |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Dave on 01/11/16 at 03:42:27 OH!.....Swing is the shortened version of Silverwing. :) I guess I will start telling folks that I ride a Svage! :o |
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Title: Re: Might be trading the S40 Post by Art Webb on 01/11/16 at 07:42:13 Lol I have no idea how fast 168 kph is, but according to my Silverwing forum it'll do 110 mph. Gets twitchy there though they say 70-80 is pretty calm though ;) BTW, my apologies to my fellow Texans for the current cold snap, any time I buy a bike or gear the weather gets bike unfriendly, it's like a law of nature or something At least it's not raining (yet) |
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