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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> On the road flat tire fixes....? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1450467184 Message started by Rodger on 12/18/15 at 11:33:04 |
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Title: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by Rodger on 12/18/15 at 11:33:04 After the thread started by "jjthejetplane" (sp?), describing picking up a nail in her rear tire, I got to wondering about roadside repairs to flat tires. A patch kit, 2 tire irons, & my old BMW manual pump could fix the tube, but the lack of a centerstand makes it problematic to get either wheel off the bike to GET to the tube. I did a search for flat tire repair but didn't see any relevant info. Has anyone addressed this? (I have some ideas "percolating," but thought I'd ask before re-inventing the wheel.) |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by ToesNose on 12/18/15 at 11:34:23 My answer is my AMA membership with roadside assistance ;) |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by Rodger on 12/18/15 at 11:44:39 LOL...and it's a good answer, but many areas in Colorado & Wyoming have little or no cell service. I prefer "the road less taken"...with a nod to Robert Frost. ;) I've been lucky (fingers crossed!). The only time I had to fix a punctured tire was on my Honda CM450, & that was a tubeless, so just plugged it, pumped it up and continued. Nonetheless, I still carry tire tools when on a trip. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by Kris01 on 12/18/15 at 15:44:49 I had a very nice stranger haul me and my bike home in his truck. Good Samaritans are hard to find these days! |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by rijopiatt on 12/18/15 at 17:45:12 I won't attempt to remove the rear tire on the rode, consequently I have roadside assistance on my insurance. But, I carry a specialty tow strap that doubles as tie downs that I could use if a good Samaritan would agree to tow/haul me. I've also designed a jack that allow me to remove the front tire on the rode for repairs- I carry bead-breaker irons, patch kit and a compact motorcycle air compressor. I've not had to make a roadside repair, but I've done the breakdown and reinstall at home to make sure I can do it if necessary. On a long trip I carry front and rear spare tubes. Most any shop could do the replacement, but not likely they would have the size I need in stock. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by Art Webb on 12/18/15 at 20:06:02 the problem is, as stated the lack of a way to hold the bike up A centerstand would be best A jackstand would work for me, I can lift either end of my bike that high but where, on a savage, would you carry such a wonder? I pray for cinder blocks, if it ever happens again |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by verslagen1 on 12/18/15 at 21:47:51 Next time you're out in the middle of no where, stop. If you can't find something to prop your bike up so you can get the wheel off... pray. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/18/15 at 22:59:09 Pack whatever you think you can use, but I have wrestled the rear tire in the shop and there is no way I would ever choose to do it again. The front is another matter. That's a possible, even for me. I'm pretty sure I've seen some guys say they have done the rear at home.. I Got it, but it was way past what I called Saving Money. But, on the road, it's not just about saving money. It's about getting unstranded. I hope if you need a tire before you're forced to try a roadside repair you give it a go. Quite a difference between roadside and shop. I don't have any idea how to get the rear tire off on the road. In an emergency ,the tank can be removed, but having ... Bedtime beckons.. I'll finish later. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by rijopiatt on 12/19/15 at 14:56:28 http://https://www.bikepics.com/pics/2015/12/19/bikepics-2769072-800.jpg Here's the jack set-up I referred to in the previous post for at least changing the front tire (unfortunately my digital camera just started malfunctioning before I could get a close-up of the jack). It's simply a base plate with a nut welded to it. A length of threaded rod screws into it. A second nut moves a piece of steel tubing up or down on the rod. The bike frame rests in a rubber-padded steel cradle that's welded to the top of the tubing. Completely assembled and in the lowest position, it measures about 6". I use an old, shortened open-end wrench to crank it up and down. It all breaks down to fit in a small pouch. I first secure the handle bars with straps back to the passenger foot-pegs so that the front tire is line with the rear because: 1)The bike balances much better this way when jacked up. 2) It's much easier access for working than when turned to the side. 3)less jacking height is required for dropping the wheel out. The jack is positioned directly across from the kickstand- good triangulation and stable in the raised position. I also wedge the hand brake lever in the open position so as to not accidently close the brake calipers when the wheel is removed. This probably sounds more complicated than it is- its fast and easy. I've done this outside in the gravel and grass- it works fine. Rick in Indiana bigger size helps -v1 |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by verslagen1 on 12/19/15 at 16:22:20 good idea rick, might even work in the back. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by gizzo on 12/20/15 at 03:08:56 I think the side stand is too far forward to make doing that with the back wheel a safe proposition. Too much weight on it I think. I had a shot at it one day and decided against it. The jacking point under the battery is better. On dirt bikes, with the side stand a lot further back, is easy to remove front or rear that way, just using a stick to hold that side up. No problem. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by Rodger on 12/20/15 at 07:06:40 @rijopiatt I have a similar idea, using 1/2 galvanized plumbing pipe pieces, nuts, washers, & some all-thread. I don't weld, but thinking that steel electrical conduit might work, too. Time to do some measuring & head to Home Depot!! Updates will follow. Have a Merry Christmas, y'all. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/15 at 08:36:25 Tent stakes and light rope. SOME stability would beat nothing. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by rijopiatt on 12/20/15 at 09:57:48 http://https://www.bikepics.com/pics/2015/12/20/bikepics-2769186-200.jpg Here's my jack: 1)base- 3/16" x 2" x 5" steel with long measurement turned 90 degrees to bike frame for best stability. 2" measurement allows more compact storage. 2)standard 5/8" nut spot/mig welded to base. 3)5/8" threaded rod 4)5/8" hardened nut for cranking up and down 5)5/8" I.D. bronze bushing between tube and hardened nut to eliminate binding (just because I'm anal about stuff like this). 6)galvanized tube 7)galvanized cradle (with rubber pad) cut from tubing and spot/mig welded to tube. I'm a marginal welder- welds are strong, but ugly. Additionally, I've not learned to manipulate the size of photos I insert. Sorry :-[ |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by verslagen1 on 12/20/15 at 10:34:41 Change this... https://www.bikepics.com/pics/2015/12/20/bikepics-2769186-200.jpg to this... https://www.bikepics.com/pics/2015/12/20/bikepics-2769186-480.jpg or 800 for a bigger pic and you get this... http://https://www.bikepics.com/pics/2015/12/20/bikepics-2769186-480.jpg |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by Rodger on 12/20/15 at 11:14:06 Very cool, Rick. Have you tried your set up to lift the rear wheel? I was thinking that the muffler mount might be a good spot if your screwjack would fit under it. Also, one would have to immobilize the front wheel to avoid rolling off the stand. I thought some parachute cord, tied to a fork leg and two of the spokes ( 1 in front of fork leg, 1 behind), perhaps? Another note/tip for on the road tire repair: replace 1 or both valve stem caps with the metal caps that encorporate a valve core removal/installation "tool." One less thing to go in the toolbag. Most auto parts stores have them. I just bought a set of 4 at O'Reilly's for about $3.50. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by verslagen1 on 12/20/15 at 12:09:19 since you like to immobilize the front and prevent it from turning... best place to do that is from footpeg to wheel, wrap twice, then to other footpeg. i used a ratchet strap w/out wrapping and it worked well to keep the wheel straight. it also locked the wheel up too. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by Rodger on 12/20/15 at 15:44:22 Good idea, that ratchet strap. I'm thinking along the lines of "What would I have on hand on a trip?" I always carry a goodly hank of 550 parachute cord in my camp gear, so running it thru the spokes and back to tie points like the forward control mounts or footpegs might just do the trick, too. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by Flint on 12/20/15 at 20:22:35 I have used those cans of Flat Fix, the aerosol can that sprays in some sort of sealant. They do work on tubes. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by Art Webb on 12/21/15 at 08:34:24 Hmmm, I know some folks who weld |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by Kris01 on 12/21/15 at 17:22:17 I had a flat once because the rim strip snapped. Anyone have the name of the company that will weld the spokes (or whatever they do)? I'm just curious. It may help someone else. I probably won't alter mine. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by Dane Allen on 12/22/15 at 11:05:16 0336222E214F0 wrote:
This just happened to me yesterday, 1st can went straight to the street, 2nd can went mostly to the street and I rode for the required time/distance. 3rd can held air, which was fortunate because I only had the 3 cans. |
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Title: Re: On the road flat tire fixes....? Post by Rodger on 12/23/15 at 07:22:31 @ Dane Allen... I've used Fix-a-Flat on tubeless car tires with fairly good results, but won't use it on motorcycle tube tires. It would be a temporary fix, and a potential sticky mess when one gets home and does a permanent repair. I used to carry a spare front & rear tube on my '82 BMW - they fit nicely in the bottom of the fairing pockets - just in case the punctured tube ripped and was not patchable. Must have satisfied the Murphy Gremlins, since I never had to use them! :) (BTW, the "Rodger Corollary" to Murphy's Law:. "Murphy was an OPTIMIST!!". ;D ) |
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