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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> 4th to 5th gear ? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1450159337 Message started by Savageman on 12/14/15 at 22:02:17 |
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Title: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Savageman on 12/14/15 at 22:02:17 OK I need to get 10 posts so all the buttons work. I hardly notice a 4th to 5th difference on my 2001. Is that normal? |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Serowbot on 12/14/15 at 22:04:50 It ain't much... ...but, it's better than nothin'... |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Dave on 12/15/15 at 03:15:44 The fourth to fifth would be nice if it would be bigger - but it is what it is. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1341162964 |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/15/15 at 07:28:24 Yeah, and I think the jump from first to second is a bit much. They could've smoothed out the jumps, had a higher fifth, but, they Are the engineers. I'm reasonably comfortable believing they at least calculated Something to make that decision. Or, another bike uses That gear, and they were saving money... |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by verslagen1 on 12/15/15 at 08:28:03 I'm sure gear selection had something to do with what's available. But if you look at a dyno curve... http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/russ_diamond_jim/dynorunS40dj.jpg You see that the torque curve is quite broad, top 10% goes from 2500 to 5500. Whereas the top 10% of hp only goes from 4500 to maybe 6200. We can see from the speed chart peak torque occurs from 60 to 70 mph in 5th. I hear that's optimum for mpg. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/15/15 at 08:54:19 I wish I was smart enough to look at that and know what would have happened to the graph if fifth would've been higher. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Matt_greatlakesstate on 12/15/15 at 17:09:21 I sometimes think I'm in 5th when im cruisin at about 60 till i go to downshift and realize i was in 4th the whole time. The bike sounds almost the same in both gears. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Kris01 on 12/15/15 at 20:41:40 There ain't much difference! With a thumper, you kinda need a little more RPM to smooth out the engine's pulses. You can't really rev it as low as a twin. Like JOG said, I hope the engineers knew what they were doing. They get paid more than me! :D However, they should've asked me before they designed the transmission. Maybe I missed the memo. :-? |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by jcstokes on 12/15/15 at 21:37:03 It's an el cheapo entry level bike, and does bloody well for what it is. Yes sometimes I'm forgetful in fourth, occasionally I try for sixth. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/16/15 at 02:46:57 686171766D696771020 wrote:
If I'm being overly sensitive then forgive me, but...I wouldn't call it "el cheapo". The 2016 MSRP is $9399.00...Yeah, if you buy a 20 year old model you can get it cheap, but you'll pay in parts and labor...pay now or pay later sort of thing. Compare this to a 2016 Honda Rebel with an MSRP of $4190. The rebel fits the description of an el cheapo entry level bike better than the S40. I'm not entirely sure I'd say that the S40 is really an entry level bike either. I won't let my teenage daughter ride my S40 but I'd have no issue with her jumping on a rebel. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by ls650v on 12/16/15 at 03:13:43 Quote:
How did you come up with this number? Try $5499.00 U.S. http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/Boulevard%20S40/2016/S40.aspx |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/16/15 at 04:13:04 76692C2F2A6C1A0 wrote:
Ugh, that's a typo...Meant $5399.00... The Suzuki Dealership near me says $5399.00 on the info sheet. Anyway, $1300 is a big difference. I'm getting a new CBR500R next month for just $400 more. The CBR250R is 4099.00 and the CBR300R is $$4399.00...Those are entry level bikes and the price underscores that. My point is, this isn't cheap and probably not quite entry level for performance or for pricing. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Kris01 on 12/16/15 at 18:52:29 I think the S40 gets the rep for entry level because it won't do 150+. It's not a sport bike and it doesn't have the sound of a Harley even though it's considered a cruiser. The general public is typically clueless. The S40 is very torquey and may be too much for a complete noob to handle. If you have any brains at all you should be able to ride it with no problems. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/16/15 at 22:37:03 516873692A2B1A0 wrote:
That's about right. This cluelessness is exactly why I say I think the S40 might not fit entry level. My general rule of thumb is if you can easily pull the front wheel off the ground it's not entry level. Can you get a 250cc to pull the front wheel up? Yes, some of them can, but it takes practice and patience. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by jcstokes on 12/16/15 at 23:28:42 Savage/S40 is pretty forgiving, which is why I consider it entry level. In my country it was included in the LAMS "Learner Approved Motorcycle" scheme, when the rules were changed from a ridged 250cc, anything that size or under goes, limit to a horsepower based formula. I'm still learning on it. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by WD on 12/17/15 at 10:04:15 Actually, seeing as the S40 is a brand new 1975 motorcycle... you could classify it multiple ways. Entry level retro is pretty much accurate though. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/17/15 at 11:15:34 While it's true that the S40 has been unchanged since 1993, and retro is certainly a good description for it, I'd still be a lot more comfortable putting a brand new rider on something that fits the entry level description a little better. The Honda Rebel 250 or Nighthawk 250, Suzuki GZ250 or GW250, Hyosung GV250, or GW250 are all beginner entry level bikes and would make a good start for literally anyone. The Honda CBR250, Kawasaki Ninja 250, or Hyosung GT250 would get my nod for someone who was interested in starting out on a sport bike. The torque of the S40 combined with it's nervous handling characteristics would rule it out for me and I would never recommend it to a beginner. My 2¢ |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Dave on 12/17/15 at 12:00:31 I believe the Savage could be a bike for a new rider.....I don't agree it should be the bike that they get on for their first ever attempt to ride a motorcycle. A Savage will work just fine once the new rider has gotten the coordination required to use the throttle/clutch/brakes in unison. It has just a bit too much torque for someone that is still a bit clumsy with the throttle control. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Kris01 on 12/17/15 at 12:07:34 I've never understood "beginner bike". If you're mature enough to ride responsibly and not try to outrun the speed of light then any bike could be your "starter" bike. Obviously, you want to start on a lighter bike so you know how to control it. I get what you guys are saying though. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by jcstokes on 12/19/15 at 23:36:45 Let's be honest, a lot of 16-25 year olds don't ride responsibly, they're immortal and you can't blame them for that. A year or so ago I shuffled into a Hyosung dealer because there was a 650cc thingy that cost less than $10000 NZ. The salesman told me it was NZ LAMS compliant. He then proceeded to tell me that if you took two bolts out you could remove a throttle restrictor which upped the horse power from about 52 to eighty something and gave well in excess of 100 mph max. This is why I regard our beloved Savage/S40 as entry level. PS, even with the restrictor in the Hyosung thingy it would still reach or closely approach the ton and our stock bikes won't |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/19/15 at 23:40:42 When I got the Guzzi, I was really considering a Hyosung. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/20/15 at 01:12:35 Hyosung/Suzuki practically interchangeable...They have been partners since 1979. Look at any Hyosung motor and you'll see the same designs and standards. Hyosung gets a bad wrap from a lot of people for one thing or another, but I've owned both and I'm equally pleased with both. I loved my Hyosung GV250. If I hadn't wrecked it I wouldn't have an S40 today. I needed something to take its place and the S40 was on the menu at the right price that day. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/15 at 08:30:52 Option Kawasaki 250 or 300 Hyosung 250. This is not just an intellectual exercise, I'm getting healthier and I'm looking for a light but peppy bike. Where's an RD 400 when you need one? |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/20/15 at 10:53:09 5B444245585F6E5E6E56444803310 wrote:
If you're not concerned about budget then the Kawasaki 300 is a win and that will retain its resale value for ages. If you want a great out of pocket value then I'd go Hyosung. You can get it for half the cost of the 300, but resale value will not be there for you if you ever decide to sell. I would say that for my money I wouldn't go with any of those. I'm getting a Honda CBR500R next month and it's the best value of them all. Seriously, look into it. What a great all around bike, and the ergonomics are perfect! |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Serowbot on 12/20/15 at 10:54:03 JOG, I rode a Honda cbr250 up Mt. Lemmon,... pretty fun, zippy little machine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CBR250R_%282011%29 ...but,.. what's wrong with another Savage?... ...if you want, really light... check out a Yamaha 225 Serow... 240lbs wet. It'll get you to 70mph... |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/15 at 22:12:17 My body is weak from sitting so much. Rotator cuff issues, a knee I can't trust,, and the Savage was sometimes a bit of a handful as I came to a stop. If I'm gonna drop one, stopping, the feet down and stopped moment, that's when. I've gotten out of a car and been unable to walk straight.. I get a bit off balance from moving. I feel fine, while I'm moving. I just can't afford to get overloaded and hurt my shoulders. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/20/15 at 23:12:05 627D7B7C61665767576F7D713A080 wrote:
If that's a concern for you then I would certainly caution you against the Ninja 250 or 300 and the Hyosung GT250 is out of the question. The more aggressive the riding posture the more you're going to risk your shoulders. I would strongly recommend you look at the Honda CB500F. Upright riding posture, great ergonomics, zippy engine, low vibration, great value, and buttery smooth delivery of power (nearly 50hp) make this one to look at for you. http://powersports.honda.com/2015/cb500f.aspx |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Art Webb on 12/21/15 at 08:28:20 I seriously want that F model |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Neilap on 12/21/15 at 17:22:48 63706766797472707B24150 wrote:
I get 48-50 mpg at 50-55 if im traveling at 70mph im down to 40-42 mpg but I weight 350 lbs. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/21/15 at 19:07:34 7B686E6D7F78781A0 wrote:
If you want the F model now just wait until you sit on one and feel the ergonomics of it. You're stomach will flutter and you'll feel incomplete. Honda really has outdone themselves with these three bikes. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Art Webb on 12/22/15 at 08:06:13 67585E5944436B2D0 wrote:
If you want the F model now just wait until you sit on one and feel the ergonomics of it. You're stomach will flutter and you'll feel incomplete. Honda really has outdone themselves with these three bikes. [/quote] too late, already did it |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/22/15 at 09:18:05 283B3D3E2C2B2B490 wrote:
If you want the F model now just wait until you sit on one and feel the ergonomics of it. You're stomach will flutter and you'll feel incomplete. Honda really has outdone themselves with these three bikes. [/quote] too late, already did it [/quote] :) I'm getting really excited about getting mine next month. I'm planning for January 20th...the anticipation is unbearable. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Art Webb on 12/23/15 at 07:24:47 I haven't the funds at the moment (or the credit) or I'd pull the trigger, the Savage ain't getting it for thr 70 MPH commute to work |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/23/15 at 08:04:11 46555350424545270 wrote:
Really? My S40 hums along nicely at 70mph. If I didn't have a windshield it might be uncomfortable for any length of time, but it'll do it just fine. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by verslagen1 on 12/23/15 at 09:03:52 I only drive "65" but sometimes dyslexia when inverted. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Flint on 12/23/15 at 14:26:54 If I were to buy a new bike it would be the Moto Guzzi V7. It is about 60 pounds heavier than the Savage but has about 10 more HP and a huge gas tank. Plus they sound cool :) :) |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/23/15 at 18:40:55 497670776A6D45030 wrote:
Really? My S40 hums along nicely at 70mph. If I didn't have a windshield it might be uncomfortable for any length of time, but it'll do it just fine. [/quote] Yeah, I remember one time on the interstate-- 70-75 mph can get pretty relaxing if the conditions are right. However, on the way home, once it started getting dark and cold, my neck got tired ::). Mine has no windshield. Maybe cold weather makes the fatigue worse? Commuting on the superslab with the Savage shouldn't be too bad, as long as its not a really long commute. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/23/15 at 19:08:26 59626F7869657E78636B66790A0 wrote:
Really? I took the MSF course with those little 250s. They are so low geared, you have to slip the clutch when doing maneuvers to keep them from jerking about. They may not have much acceleration; however, the Savage has a mild throttle response, the clutch is soft, and the power delivery smooth due to the nature of the engine and the gearing. Is it possible to get into trouble with the Savage's torque? Possibly, especially on dirt. Please explain to me exactly why the MSF people are so worried about torque, even if it's gentle torque? Going around curves, you may need to be more careful, and be more cautious when flogging it off the line, but it's not like the thing is going to flip over backwards and do out of control burnouts every time you goose it. :P --At least not with the stock engine, clutch, and gearing. Torque alone is nothing to worry about apart from a jolt of a take off, in my opinion. However, torque+zippiness=disaster (crotch rocket) in my opinion. Actually, I should say that better : torque+rpms=horsepower=potential disaster. Add zippiness to that, and you have even worse. However zippiness + rpms - torque = weedeater :P I don't really have much experience with 250s apart from the parking lot MSF course. I get a lot of info from the Internet (common [mechanical] sense helps), so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here. I just thought I would say something about this. The point is that even though the Savage has torque, it's not a whole lot, and its control and delivery is rather gentle at that. Again, I don't really have alot of experience to say. Yeah, maybe the 250 will bog before it jolts in the curves (at speed, not in low gears). The Savage doesn't seem very hard to control. That's the point. My Dad's Shadow 750 is an entirely different animal, however. But then, it needs some tuning. From what I gather, dirt riders like singles partly because they are torquey but not zippy. (Helps traction) Or am I mistaken? This whole thing reminds me of that comedy where that idiot jumps on a big cruiser and wheelies into a house. ;D Now that torque proved problematic ;) What's the name of that movie? You see that clip in the trailer. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/23/15 at 19:33:50 When I tried out the 750 that my Dad would end up with, I was rather worried that it was a little much for me, especially with the PO's obstacle course of a driveway. When I test drove the Savage, it was pretty good. I was a little nervous, and not well coordinated, being a beginner. It was the first time I drove a motorcycle at normal road speeds :o. However, I could at least handle the thing, and I might say that the Savage is easy-peasy. On the other hand, since that last crash, it will take awhile to regain trust. Are there easier bikes? Maybe. Those little dual sports seem awful easy at low speeds, and the GZ250 I rode seemed fun in the parking lot, but I have no experience at high speeds. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/23/15 at 23:25:49 262D2024352B2032277771450 wrote:
I don't have 1000 words to spend on this, but here's a video that should help illustrate my point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8ifLQPtgto |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Dave on 12/24/15 at 05:32:55 With a small, low HP, low torque bike you will stall the engine if you get a bit uncoordinated with the clutch and throttle.....with a torquey bike you will most likely accelerate faster than the first time rider has the skill to control This video is pretty typical of a rider who has never ridden a bike before and is taking his first ride. They don't instantly understand how the throttle or clutch of brake works....it is a process that takes a little bit to learn. Thankfully on this one the rear wheel was in the grass and the bike spun the rear wheel and the bike didn't build up much speed. If this bike was a Savage and it had all been done on pavement where the bike got a lot of traction......it would have been a bad crash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbb0jCy3cp0 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbb0jCy3cp0[/media] You are a new rider, and when you get more experience and actually try and teach some first time riders.....you will get an understanding about how easily folks can get hurt on that first attempt. A low torque, low weight, low HP bike is a far safer and better teaching tool. If the person where to start out on a bike with an automatic clutch that only requires the throttle to be moved to make the bike move.....that is even better. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Art Webb on 12/25/15 at 12:53:59 744B4D4A5750783E0 wrote:
Really? My S40 hums along nicely at 70mph. If I didn't have a windshield it might be uncomfortable for any length of time, but it'll do it just fine. [/quote] A shield definitely helps Actually I discovered I can finance a CB (shocker!) but insurance would be $900+ a tear :o so much for that Idea I have the option of a Swing (or I could get a shield.....and highway bars for crippled knees) |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by DesertRat on 12/25/15 at 15:48:49 4D767B6C7D716A6C777F726D1E0 wrote:
That's what I did for our kids and girl. They faired better, and it helped to remove just one more thing they had to learn at once to get going. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by jcstokes on 12/26/15 at 01:46:08 70mph should be around 4500 rpm or a little more on a standard 5 speed with a 140/90 rear tyre, I don't have difficulty with it. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Art Webb on 12/26/15 at 17:24:57 I don't have difficulty with it, but the bike isn't happy there all the time, , either riding a Savage at 70 sometimes is fine riding it there all the time will wear the thing out prematurely |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/27/15 at 00:22:52 34272122303737550 wrote:
Mine seems very happy there, even with a strong headwind. 80 is where mine seems to begin to have a lot of chatter. I rarely ever drive that fast so not really an issue for me. Recently, I had to drive about 60 miles and I was in a serious hurry. I needed to bail someone out of jail before they got transferred to another facility and I was running against the clock. I drove the whole way at 85. It was noisy but it was just fine. I drove back going 75 the whole way and it was humming nicely. Pushing that hard you need to have a good clean air filter and it helps to have the right jets for your climate/elevation. I wouldn't want to run like that in the stock lean condition. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Art Webb on 12/27/15 at 06:49:25 Mine is probably running lean I notice it does better in cooler temps That doesn't change the facts, though It's not designed for frequent Interstate runs, and running like that all the time will wear it out prematurely, in stock condition There's a reason guys like Dave and MM have altered the gearing and added power to their bikes and it for sure wears ME out running it that way all the time ;D |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Kris01 on 12/27/15 at 20:35:29 65767073616666040 wrote:
Then you're probably running a little rich. Cooler air is denser air meaning you can pack more of it in the cylinder. If it runs better when cooler then you're probably adding more fuel to compensate for the "extra" air. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/28/15 at 01:16:14 I tend to agree with that. Better running in cooler temps generally = rich condition.. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Kris01 on 12/28/15 at 18:55:10 Since the weather has turned cold mine tends to pop and gurgle a little bit when shifting or coasting down to a stop. It runs silky smooth in the summer though. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by chzeckmate on 12/28/15 at 23:05:44 I get the typical lean surge. It's very irritating. I've been meaning to rejet for a few weeks now but I've been working night and day and haven't gotten to it. It's like I always say, you can't make time you have to take time. I'll get to it soon. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Art Webb on 12/29/15 at 09:51:03 I seriously doubt a stock S40 is running rich Maybe it's in my head lol I know I didn't find it near as objectionable when I had a sheild |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Kris01 on 12/29/15 at 16:52:51 Haha! No, a stock S40 is definitely not running rich! ;D Are you positive the jets are stock? Are you the original owner? |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Art Webb on 12/30/15 at 08:01:50 2nd owner, and the I'm pretty sure the jets were stock until Versy twiddled the carb some, but the jets we had there at the dragon were provided by Lancer and they weren't much of a step up, maybe one size maybe I need to do a roll off test and see |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by Kris01 on 12/30/15 at 13:14:27 Check my signature. I didn't change my jets by much but it made a HUGE difference. I'm at sea level (mostly) and it's VERY humid in the summer. More humidity means less room for oxygen which means smaller jets (but more than stock). |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/30/15 at 13:50:41 083731362B2C04420 wrote:
I don't have 1000 words to spend on this, but here's a video that should help illustrate my point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8ifLQPtgto [/quote] I haven't had such luck with wheelies. Maybe I just don't know how, or my clutch is too soft? Well, at least I'm not flipping over backwards breaking bones :o. FYI, I think I said all that before the spacer mod. :-X |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/30/15 at 14:23:35 172C2136272B30362D252837440 wrote:
I took the MSF course, and, for a while I had some possible regrets for not learning this myself. The feeling kinda faded away some as we got into the more advanced stuff. I can't say for sure how I would have done it myself. I probably would have missed some concepts, to some degree; however, I was already familiar with the nature of manual transmissions. I had driven farm tractors, and the car I drove (and still drive) was a MT car. I am somewhat mechanically inclined. I could probably have picked it up in nothing flat. The boy in the video probably didn't have a clue as to the nature of that stuff, and while it sometimes burns our brains out to accept/comprehend this degree of ignorance, >:( these people just don't have a clue as to the nature of these machines and how to work them. I have to remember the first time I was introduced to a MT car. It was that old VW Rabbit Convertible 5 speed. I remember my Dad having me put it in reverse, and I think I killed the motor with the brake, not understanding how the engine and drivetrain become one. I was, I think 12 or so years old. People who have no driving experience, much less MT experience, may blindly assume that MT's work like AT's, that gas simply means "go" and brake "stop" or something. Even AT's don't entirely work like that. MT's are perhaps more complicated, but it becomes intuitive, so that anyone that drives stick can more quickly learn to drive a motorcycle (maybe). It's just that the controls are different. The principle is approximately the same. Anyone who drives stick already knows intuitively--instinctively about the friction zone, whether he or she has ever named or tried to conceptualize it. It's just a matter of foot vs hand. On the other hand, I seem to remember reaching for the clutch or something during the MSF course (foot vs hand conflicts), so driving a car can also get you confused as well. I even thought there was some advantage to it. I don't remember it clearly, so it's hard to say what happened. Even when driving AT, it happens. One time I remember giving Mom a jolt in her AT Outback, reaching for the clutch and, instead, hitting the brake ::). Have you ever reached for the gear shift knob only to remember that you're driving automatic? ::) When I turn onto the road, I don't like to give a lot of throttle until I straighten, so it's not as simple as, "Give the Savage as much throttle as you want and it will work no matter what." I don't want to end up laying on the ground wondering what happened. ::) |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/30/15 at 14:43:33 Perhaps what he should have done is this: Instead of giving instructions, he should have demonstrated and have him watch carefully the user input compared to the reaction. It is important to understand-- to comprehend-- to wrap one's head around it all, not just follow instructions. While trying to follow instructions eventually leads to the right place, I find that doing so tends to disengage common sense. You are so busy trying to follow someone else's instructions that you can't even use your own brain to figure things out. The results are not always pretty. Has anyone ever noticed this "following instructions disengages common sense" effect? |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/30/15 at 14:55:00 Actually, one could think of it this way. If the bike was low geared and torquey, he might not have even had to give it gas in the first place. Just ease on the clutch and putt-putt away. :) If the engine was tame like a tractor engine, it would have been even better. How many here have been introduced in their youth to driving tractors? With their low gearing, high torque, and low rate of revving, not to mention set-and-forget hand throttle, they make a great teaching tool. Of course, they are heavy equipment and can be dangerous IF they do get out of control. Just about the first thing MT I drove was an old gas Farmall, but it was awhile before he let me drive the IH diesel. Probably the second thing was the VW I mentioned, if I'm not getting the two mixed up :-?. Time flies and memories fade. |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/30/15 at 15:03:31 One of the problems with high torque and moderately low gearing is the tendency for the machine to jolt ahead hard with just a little bit of throttle. This could cause the rider to go into shock and lose control. Like I said, if it had a slow revving engine like a tractor has, things might be a little better. The thing about a little weedeater engine is that you are forced to rev it, which makes things more complicated. When he had to rev it, he revved it too much, spun the tire, ran onto the pavement, and fell over. Having to work the clutch and the gas makes things more complicated. That's what I'm saying. Does anyone agree? Yeah, I'm kinda arguing with myself, ain't I? :D :-? |
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Title: Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/30/15 at 19:10:38 Yeah, I'm kinda arguing with myself, ain't I? Cheesy Huh Man, everyone does that once in a while. Difference is, You're Losing. Don't take it personally. I would have done that to anyone. |
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