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Title: crazy? maybe not Post by oldNslow on 12/11/15 at 06:43:29 Maybe Trump isn't as crazy, Nazi, fascist, as the Media, the libs, and even his republican opponents want folks to believe. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/isis-supporters-may-have-entered-us-on-fake-passports/ar-AAgho0t?li=BBnb4R7&ocid=mailsignout Pay attention to where this report came from. ABC and MSN are about as left- leaning as the MSM gets. Even they found this impossible to ignore. |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by Serowbot on 12/11/15 at 07:17:43 ...but, a fake passport could ID them as German Jews... or Portuguese Buddhists!... When asked how his system would work,.. Trump said customs officials would ask people entering if they were Muslim... Yeah, Donald... That'll work... :-/ Why not ask if they plan on killing us while yer' at it.... ;D... |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/15 at 07:36:51 So, Row, let's just SAY there's a mass of people walking into a country you'd like to cause trouble in. Would YOU get in line? Maybe they aren't as smart as an atheist, but when My enemy opens the Gates and let's me in?? I'm going. But, it makes people uncomfortable, you know, those microagressions,, I wonder if it would have been smart if Obama suggested it. Would it? Why would we, having SEEN what hoardes of Muslims have done there, bring that ideology home? |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by Serowbot on 12/11/15 at 07:52:24 If you were looking to do harm,.. would you get into a 6 month long line?, ... or get a 2 week Visa?... ... or get a fake US passport and have no wait?... Point is,...a cocoon of safety is an illusion... The world is too small and interconnected... Secondly,... for all our strength and power,.. we look like cowards to the rest of the world. |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by old.indian on 12/11/15 at 08:34:50 5A4C5B465E4B465D290 wrote:
The 'bot and I are in total agreement on these points. |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by thumperclone on 12/11/15 at 08:38:56 still will we have home grown nuts |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by old.indian on 12/11/15 at 08:50:08 332F322A372235242B282922470 wrote:
We have always had more than our share of "home grown" nut cases" .... Oklahoma City, Newport, etc. etc.. |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by oldNslow on 12/11/15 at 08:52:44 Quote:
nobody is saying that anything we do is foolproof So do nothing ? We just let anybody into the country 'cause we don't want to be called "chicken" ? We don't need these people here. What is the downside to keeping them out for the time being as long as there is a possibility that they represent a threat.? |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by thumperclone on 12/11/15 at 09:03:03 320C0D01130F0E600 wrote:
religion as the bench mark is wrong whats next no atheists, no ______ |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by Serowbot on 12/11/15 at 09:05:12 The downside is changing the very principals this country was founded on,.. just to give ourselves the illusion that we are a bit safer... We should just mail the Statue of Liberty back to France... they deserve it more than us.... You close this door or that... and the terrorists are just gonna' say... "Oh,.. well,.. I'll just never mind then, and go home"... :-/ |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by HovisPresley on 12/11/15 at 09:23:42 The Statue of Liberty? This is interesting: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/statue-liberty-was-originally-muslim-woman-180957377/?no-ist |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by Serowbot on 12/11/15 at 09:29:14 Don't tell Trump,... he'll definitely send her back... ;D... He'll replace it with one of himself, twice as big... pointing the way back to where you came from... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D... :P :P :P... |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by old.indian on 12/11/15 at 09:31:52 "standing for those who stood for US..." I know of two brothers who won US citizenship by serving in France with the US Army during WW1. Others who were 1st generation Americans who fought their parents' countrymen in WW2. I had a kid in my squad who came to the US with his parents after they escaped East Germany. (The last time I saw him, he was receiving his third Purple Heart.) This country is made greater and stronger by the children and grandchildren of those who came to this country for a better life than the one they left behind....... |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by pg on 12/11/15 at 14:49:05 22212963242329242C234D0 wrote:
OI, I am in full agreement with that statement until the millennial generation. I see so few young people who have integrity, strong work ethic, so on. They rarely do anything productive and they are always playing on their cell phones. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by old.indian on 12/11/15 at 15:09:03 3F282E222D3D4F0 wrote:
OI, I am in full agreement with that statement until the millennial generation. I see so few young people who have integrity, strong work ethic, so on. They rarely do anything productive and they are always playing on their cell phones. Best regards,[/quote] OK...I ain't none to thrilled with the little $hit$ either. And don't even ask my thoughts about the ugly, unwashed, spoiled brat, "Baby boomers" I came across in the late '60s on either.... >:( |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by oldNslow on 12/11/15 at 18:54:46 Quote:
Okay, let's not discriminate. Don't let anyone in. Happy now? |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by old.indian on 12/11/15 at 19:38:11 That's what someone should have said when that bunch of religious nuts stepped out of the boat on to that rock....... Don' feed 'em. Turn 'em into pin cushions........ Naw, they had to be friendly to the darn crazy bigots and look how the country turned out.............. |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by thumperclone on 12/11/15 at 22:06:01 447A7B77657978160 wrote:
no Irish, no Jews, no Italians, no Germans, no "Natives" etc, etc, etc = no U.S.A. so if I'm a radical of any sort would I claim it? I don't know what the answer is but baring ANY one religion, race, sect, is NOT |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by thumperclone on 12/11/15 at 22:12:34 33303872353238353D325C0 wrote:
lest we forget the "Natives" are not they just got here first |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/15 at 22:29:53 3C2A3D20382D203B4F0 wrote:
So, you agree that there is potential for bad guys to get in. That timeline, generated in your imagination, deciding for terrorists how much patience they'd have. Getting in is getting IN. A fake passport can be correct in every way, except the name. So, since we can't have a cocoon of safety and you're willing to accept that, then why don't you stop pretending that we WOULD have a cocoon of safety if only we'd give up our guns. I can't be Certain my house isn't gonna burn, but I keep extinguishers handy and I don't invite pyromaniacs in. Look AT the Refugees. Note the number of lone , military age, males. Since past policy decisions have worked so well, pardon me for seeing the potential fail here. The recent shooting mess, as it unwind, shows communications that the FBI was aware of, but, didn't raise any red flags.. Have I mentioned that the powers that be NEED sufficient social chaos in order to justify Saving us from danger, by taking our rights. Wait and see. If someone believes prudence is cowardly, adopt a Muslim. I don't CARE what the world thinks. Have the rapes and murders not been enough? Look at Yurp. The terrorists in Ca. were ready, and determined,, how about the ones coming in. From a place WE had a hand in destroying. Many of them are ANGRY. |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by pg on 12/12/15 at 00:35:15 Many of them are ANGRY. Like this guy..... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv1YgVKoqLw[/media] Best regards, |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/13/15 at 06:41:52 This plug in not supported. Well, Row, statements made, and countered. Time to move on to another topic? I'd rather see someone take my post and demonstrate Why it's not accurate and reasonable. I'm kinda surprised Pesci isn't weighing in here. |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by Serowbot on 12/13/15 at 07:49:07 243B3D3A2720112111293B377C4E0 wrote:
Why me?... This ain't my thread... |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/13/15 at 16:07:14 736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:
So, you agree that there is potential for bad guys to get in. That timeline, generated in your imagination, deciding for terrorists how much patience they'd have. Getting in is getting IN. A fake passport can be correct in every way, except the name. So, since we can't have a cocoon of safety and you're willing to accept that, then why don't you stop pretending that we WOULD have a cocoon of safety if only we'd give up our guns. I can't be Certain my house isn't gonna burn, but I keep extinguishers handy and I don't invite pyromaniacs in. Look AT the Refugees. Note the number of lone , military age, males. Since past policy decisions have worked so well, pardon me for seeing the potential fail here. The recent shooting mess, as it unwind, shows communications that the FBI was aware of, but, didn't raise any red flags.. Have I mentioned that the powers that be NEED sufficient social chaos in order to justify Saving us from danger, by taking our rights. Wait and see. If someone believes prudence is cowardly, adopt a Muslim. I don't CARE what the world thinks. Have the rapes and murders not been enough? Look at Yurp. The terrorists in Ca. were ready, and determined,, how about the ones coming in. From a place WE had a hand in destroying. Many of them are ANGRY. [/quote] I quoted that. I didn't type it, or drag it here. I guess you erased your post. Didn't say it was your thread.. |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by Paraquat on 12/14/15 at 11:05:15 Remember when we didn't have any money there was a threat to dip into Social Security? Or we couldn't pay benefits to veterans? And now we can welcome 100,000 people in? Until you can manage yourself, you don't take on excess burden. --Steve |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by pg on 12/14/15 at 16:43:53 3302110212160217630 wrote:
Have you heard of the Cloward Piven Strategy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty" Best regards, |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/14/15 at 17:22:32 I've heard about it. I figured I was alone. Congratulations on your understanding of the events of the day. |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by LostArtist on 12/14/15 at 20:25:41 4057515D5242300 wrote:
Have you heard of the Cloward Piven Strategy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty" Best regards,[/quote] there's some evidence that Richard Nixon supported this idea as well as Milton Friedman who wanted a weird negative income tax that was kind of the same thing. "In its purest form a NIT (Negative Income Tax) promised a revolution in American social policy. Gone would be the intrusive and costly welfare bureaucracy, the pernicious distinctions between "worthy" and "unworthy" recipients, the perverse disincentives for work effort and family formation. The needy would, like everyone else, simply file annual—or perhaps quarterly—income returns with the Internal Revenue Service. But unlike other filers who would make payments to the IRS, based on the amount by which their incomes exceeded the threshold for tax liability, NIT beneficiaries would receive payments ("negative taxes") from the IRS, based on how far their incomes fell below the tax threshold." |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/14/15 at 20:52:52 Is that supposed to eliminate the point? |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by MnSpring on 12/14/15 at 21:17:33 0D2E3235003335283235410 wrote:
In it’s, ‘Purest Form”, Communism also works. (On Paper, in it’s, ‘Purest Form”) Late 60’s early 70’s. A group of people, would form, a, ‘Commune’. In the summer, the wood cutters, sat on the porch drinking mint juleps, and smoking a Dubie, while other toiled in the garden, under the hot sun. Then in the winter, when the wood cutters were outside, cutting wood at -10, so the gardeners, could sit inside by the warm fire, drinking mint juleps, and smoking a Dubie. Look at the old, U.S.S.R.. Mom and Pop, milked cows, and farmed crops. They, used to, sell those crops and milk. but now this, WONDERFUL THING, called, Communism/Socialism, came to be. So now, they just do, what they, ‘have’ to do, as per the guberment. Then the, Decent happened ! Communism, DID NOT WORK. Cloward–Piven strategy, (NIT), would NEVER work. Fairy Dust Sprinklers, Thinking of, ’Star Trek’ , LOLOL |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by HovisPresley on 12/14/15 at 21:33:15 Not wishing to counter that for it's own sake but....... it's surprising how many people, today, in the old 'Eastern Bloc' look back to those days and wish the 'old ways', in part, would return. |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by pg on 12/15/15 at 05:10:10 I don't doubt that at all. The generation after the Stalin era was raised to believe in the collective and all the associated benefits as well. They went from a complete totalitarian society to capitalistic one in a very short span. I say capitalism, which is to say TPTB sold entire industries to their friends who became billionaires over night. A very, very dark time for many people. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by pg on 12/15/15 at 05:19:11 627D7B7C61665767576F7D713A080 wrote:
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by oldNslow on 12/15/15 at 07:18:48 486F766973507265736C6579000 wrote:
Shouldn't be surprising at all. Freedom, and the personal responsibility and accountability it requires is often messy, uncomfortable, and difficult for some people. Shuffling through life as a mindless prole on the other hand is actually easy, As long as one doesn't mind being subject to the whims of an all powerful leader or leaders. |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by DesertRat on 12/15/15 at 08:08:06 "The people resemble a wild beast, which, naturally fierce and accustomed to live in the woods, has been brought up, as it were, in a prison and in servitude, and having by accident got its liberty, not being accustomed to search for its food, and not knowing where to conceal itself, easily becomes the prey of the first who seeks to incarcerate it again." - Discourses on Livy (1517), Book 1, Ch. 16 |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/15/15 at 09:28:47 Good one, DR. People just don't really understand the concept of freedom. They believe that they are free, while nearly everything requires a license or permit, that they must petition the government for, else they be punished. Open a business, add onto your house, drive a car, carry a gun, go fishing, dare to hire out to perform a service,, yeah, land of the free. |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by Paraquat on 12/15/15 at 09:30:21 Not to stroke his ego, but yes. JoG turned me on to Cloward Piven... almost a year ago. --Steve |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/15/15 at 09:42:14 Yet, Showing the ideas and LOOKING at Observed Reality, which would support the conclusion that That is being used, and get met by people who are so engrossed in an agenda that they can't see it. |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by HovisPresley on 12/15/15 at 10:16:19 547563756264427164100 wrote:
.................................................................... Enter McDonalds and Coca-Cola ;D |
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Title: Re: crazy? maybe not Post by DesertRat on 12/15/15 at 12:31:14 694E574852715344524D4458210 wrote:
Bloody Brilliant ;) |
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