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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Cafe >> Ethanol fuel article /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1449838261 Message started by Dave on 12/11/15 at 04:51:00 |
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Title: Ethanol fuel article Post by Dave on 12/11/15 at 04:51:00 Bike Bandit has a pretty good article about ethanol fuel. http://www.bikebandit.com/blog/post/e15-and-beyond-what-you-need-to-know-about-ethanol-in-your-fuel?roi=echo3-31010081121-32181512-633aa8ffc80648bbb90c1ca9ad38128b&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bbnews&utm_source=Fri_121115_BBNews&utm_content=ethanol_in_fuel The only thing I didn't see in their article that should be considered...is the blender pump problem. The hose of the blender pump will have some of the fuel that the previous owner was buying in the hose and fill valve - so you may well get a dose of E15 or E85 in your tank when you are buying E10 fuel. This has been a concern when you have a motorcycle that requires premium fuel and you use a blender pump where the previous owner got regular....you are getting a quart or so of regular before the premium fills the hose - and this same situation (only worse) will occur if the previous fill was with E85! I have found a couple of local gas stations that still have separate hoses for each grade of fuel, and I fuel up at those stations when I can. |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by DesertRat on 12/11/15 at 05:49:42 I find it completely humorous, that once upon a time, the oil industry waged a "morality" war on alcohol to monopolize the market and drive out "home brewers" of alcohol based fuels. Now, they're claiming to be "saviors" of the planet thru "green" initiatives like this. I call shenanigans. |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by Serowbot on 12/11/15 at 07:31:42 a 30% hit to power?... Say hello to my 250 Savage... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by Art Webb on 12/11/15 at 07:38:38 our tax dollars at work....enriching big agra |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/15 at 07:50:54 Monsatan and the GMO corn, which naturally requires more and more Roundup, so, glyphosates are building up. I'm sure it's all okay . FDA, and the EPA, they are surely doing a great job. |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by thumperclone on 12/11/15 at 08:54:35 wifey has a flex fuel focus mileage drops 3-4 mpg city with E85 and noticeable power loss not worth it |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by Serowbot on 12/11/15 at 09:00:22 Is E85 really that much cheaper than regular?... If so,.. I'd take the hit in power and economy,... I wouldn't take the hit on mechanical reliability... They gotta' do something about that... http://cdn1.bikebandit-images.com/blog/images/2015/what-you-need-to-know-about-ethanol-in-your-fuel-4.jpg |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by old.indian on 12/11/15 at 10:53:36 10% ethanol = 10% REDUCTION in gas mileage (MPG) as noted in 2005 Monte Carlo (3.4 V6) 2009 F150 (4.2 V6) and 2006 S40 (652 cc single). |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by Dave on 12/11/15 at 11:02:14 56555D1750575D505857390 wrote:
I had the same experience with my Chevy 1/2 ton pickup when the Ethanol fuel first showed up in this area. I consistently got 400 miles between fillups, then suddenly the miles dropped to 360 between fillups. I kept working on my truck to find out what had happened, and plugs, air filter, fuel system cleaner...nothing helped. Then one week I happened to be down in Maysville, KY when I was low on fuel and I filled up - and daggumit that tank of fuel went for 400 miles just like it used to. That is when I first discovered the 3 Northern Kentucky counties all had an Agreement with the EPA to sell the E10 fuel before the other counties started selling it......it was an "Air Quality" issue as we are in the Cincinnati, OH urban area. |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by old.indian on 12/11/15 at 12:33:43 The EPA's requirements for ethanol had a negative impact on the average American.. Less corn available caused an increase cost for animal feed (higher cost per pound at the supermarket ), higher cost for any food products using corn byproducts, less MPG = more fuel to travel/haul products the same distances (which increases the cost of products now on the shelf too). True ethanol does reduce certain emission gasses, BUT it INCREASES the amount of CO2 (the primary green house gas.) Note that they shy away from any comment on the "carbon footprint" of ethanol production, from plowing the ground, seeding, fertilizing (a whole "foot print" in commercial fertilizer production), harvesting, transportation, and actual production. OH, and less I forget, it cost to add the ethanol, so a gallon of the 10% mixture will cost you more at the gas pump. No Doubt about it. We have the very best government that money can buy........ ;) |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by thumperclone on 12/11/15 at 12:55:21 not to mention the water necessary for production |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/12/15 at 18:31:34 If I'm not mistaken, the use of alcohol fuel requires the use of larger carb jets (a richer mixture). Yet another reason to rejet ::) |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/13/15 at 17:30:55 You all need to consider that the farmland given to the GMO corn to make the gas is land Not used for food crops. Increasing the price of food. I sat and listened to a woman who was quite proud of the fact that she owned a Big farm, raising soybeans and getting Ooodles of money in subsidies from the government. Think about it. What about the saviors of the world, raising the corn,and how much fuel is burned, plowing and cleaning, in preparation for planting, planting, water for irrigation, power to pump that water, applying pesticides, harvesting, Anyone REALLY believe that all happens and we are saving ANYthing? Shenanigans... big, male, Shenanigans... |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by Kris01 on 12/13/15 at 20:48:11 Anyone else notice that 89 octane is cheaper than 87 in the pic? :-? |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by Dave on 12/14/15 at 03:54:11 0E372C367574450 wrote:
I hadn't noticed that, and even more weird is that the 89 comes from the same hose as the E15 and E85......so when you use that hose you are could get a high dose of ethanol if the previous person bought the E85. This wouldn't make much difference in a 20 gallon tank in a car - but if you were just buying a gallon to two it could make a big difference. |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by verslagen1 on 12/14/15 at 07:24:50 It looks like the 2 on the left are pure gas while the rest are a mix. |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by Dave on 12/14/15 at 07:36:19 2A392E2F303D3B39326D5C0 wrote:
Well that seems like a good plan.......I can't buy any Pure Gas from any pumps in my area. I need to drive at least an hour to buy gas without ethanol (Country Mark in Liberty, IN). |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by old_rider on 12/14/15 at 16:43:51 Still got those bottles on a shelf dave? |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by Dave on 12/15/15 at 06:29:15 5350584E5558594E3C0 wrote:
No....I took them out of service after a year. The only fuel that held up well after being abandoned in the barn for a year was the Sunoco 94 racing fuel. Even the Avgas allowed the bare steel in the bottle to rust after a year. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1382699778/0 I did start a new test....I am testing the storage difference between the "Reformulated" fuel sold in this county to the normal "E10" fuel sold in the next county south of here. |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by sjaskow - FSO on 12/15/15 at 09:22:28 310A0710010D16100B030E11620 wrote:
Well that seems like a good plan.......I can't buy any Pure Gas from any pumps in my area. I need to drive at least an hour to buy gas without ethanol (Country Mark in Liberty, IN).[/quote] Actually, this station (http://pure-gas.org/station?station_id=18230) is right across the river from you. The downside is it's full service only. Don't try to google map it, it puts you in the wrong place. Take 52 East from 275, turn left on 9 mile road and then right on old 52. It's almost visible from 52 when there's no leaves on the trees. |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by Dave on 12/15/15 at 09:33:52 Thanks sjaskow: I will have to go over and check them out....I want some non-ethanol gas for my chainsaws and generator. |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by Art Webb on 12/16/15 at 09:58:32 always keep in mind that the puregas site isn't always right, either |
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Title: Re: Ethanol fuel article Post by Dave on 12/17/15 at 03:13:03 687B7D7E6C6B6B090 wrote:
Yep, I have discovered that a few time. I called one station, and they denied having anything but E10. I drove to another one and the tanker truck was delivering fuel....he told me it was all E10 at that station. However....the majority of them are proper and the comments posted by users helps you to know which ones are legit. |
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