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Title: For the Right... Post by Serowbot on 11/27/15 at 17:19:47 Do something about these radicalized Christian terrorists will ya'?... :-?... http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/28/us-colorado-shooter-idUSKBN0TG27D20151128 http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20151128&t=2&i=1098202084&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=644&pl=429&sq=&r=LYNXMPEBAR009 |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by pg on 11/27/15 at 18:06:17 3620372A32272A31450 wrote:
That may be the case; although, isn't it a bit premature to make that accusation? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by raydawg on 11/27/15 at 18:50:41 Gee.... this board is sinking to a new low. I might follow Dave out of here too, if this is the dialogue to be expected. Childish, lacking, and a colossal waste of time. Hey....don't stop on my accord, you guys can form a circle club and jerk each other around, for all I care. |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by MnSpring on 11/27/15 at 19:36:03 " ... Do something about these radicalized Christian terrorists will ya'?... " OK, get your point. Now let me ask, WHO SHOULD: “Do something about these radicalized Christian terrorists…” Is it, Other, “Christians”, Or ?????? But wait, did the, ‘attacker’ say, he, was a, ‘Christian’? Or did the, ‘Media’, SAY, ‘he was a, "Christian” ? Or did Someone else, imply, that DFI, was a, Christian” ??????? |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by Serowbot on 11/27/15 at 21:55:44 Good idea,... let's keep an open mind... Might be a Muslim terrorist... We shouldn't judge prematurely, should we?.... |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by pg on 11/28/15 at 09:45:08 4650475A42575A41350 wrote:
The left loves to preach tolerance & acceptance, unless it is Christians. Feel free to explain elaborate on the hypocrisy. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by MnSpring on 11/28/15 at 11:39:18 382E39243C29243F4B0 wrote:
Right you are. Let’s wait to see. But Odds are, I don’t think it would be a Muslim, as they favor Abortion. And, the DFI that did that, may, at some point, “Say”, he is a Cristian. But, he would be just, ' saying that ', because a ’true’ Christian, does not do those things. Could be, he just does not believe in any, Religion. |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by Serowbot on 11/28/15 at 12:48:46 If you said these things things out loud,.. you might hear the hypocrisy... ... that, is the point of my post... |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by HovisPresley on 11/28/15 at 12:51:45 Muslims favour abortions ;D Muslims regard abortion as wrong and haram (forbidden), but many accept that it may be permitted in certain cases. All schools of Muslim law accept that abortion is permitted if continuing the pregnancy would put the mother's life in real danger. So if they do it, it's to save the life of the mother. |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by HovisPresley on 11/28/15 at 12:54:04 Quote MnS: "a ’true’ Christian, does not do those things." ................................................... Neither does a 'true' muslim ::) |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by MnSpring on 11/28/15 at 15:48:27 4F594E534B5E53483C0 wrote:
Yep, I heard it, and responded in kind. But I believe it went, WAY over the head of, Hovis, But, I didn't expect him to get it anyway ! |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by HovisPresley on 11/28/15 at 16:10:31 ;) |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by Zonablazer on 11/30/15 at 15:03:59 Gotta love his mug shot though. http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2015-11-29T162112Z_3_LYNXMPEBAR07E_RTROPTP_2_US-COLORADO-SHOOTER.JPG |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by cheapnewb24 on 11/30/15 at 18:39:05 Posting on a public forum about politics and religion can be risky, both socially and otherwise, so I would like the opportunity to delete this post if I so choose. Therefore, please do not quote me for the time being. You guys should know that Big Brother can probably find out our true identities fairly easily, and if SHTF or if something goes amiss in ones own neighborhood, there is the risk that one's online comments could be held against him/her in a court of law, or martial law, if worst comes to worst. For example, your neighbor commits some crime, and, for some circumstantial reason, you are on the list of suspects, there is the possibility that law enforcement could check one's social networking comments for suspicious comments. An innocent person can be put in prison for something as small as a misinterpreted or careless comment. And, Serobot, if you think that you can trust the government and society, as the left seem to do-- don't. Humans are imperfect, their institutions are imperfect, and utopias are impossible short of Providence, so don't even think about it. Serobot, it would be cool to discuss with you on your own philosophical views at some point, I would consider myself a man of spiritual concern, however, my faith has been on the rocks lately :-/. I will not comment personally on my identity as a "true" believer at this time. I can say that the attitudes and behavior of many Christians can be kinda discouraging, if you know what I mean. That is but a part of what discourages me. Atheists seem to think that a relationship with the Creator is imaginary. I often wonder if this is the case with some "Christians." I am interested in a real relationship with a real God. I won't get into the definitions of "real" for now since I know a real atheist will nitpick that. Love is the answer, if you want a short one, but I don't think it will work too well if one doesn't also doesn't love God as well. Christians tend to make things too complicated. Perhaps it is complicated, but the most critical things are not complicated: Know who God is, be his friend, and show the love. Now to the main part of the discussion: the right and the killer. As far as the "right" is concerned, I lean to the right politically, but I WILL NOT AND SHALL NOT take the blame for their antics. They are people, and as such, they are sometimes stupid. As far as the killer is concerned, he has been caught and is going to prison, if not lethal injection. He is getting his punishment. I must admit that if we do have "Christian terrorists" part of the reason we do not hear about them is that no one pays much attention to them. With that being said, I doubt we have a whole army of Christian extremists ready to whack people's heads off quite like we do with the Muslims. Many people have strong views about things. I am sure you do, however different they may be from the man in question. If we go around looking for extremists in everything, you might get arrested too :P Someone with a philosophy similar to yours might decide one day that Christians themselves are a moral menace and should be exterminated in a manner similar to this incident. Then the shoe will be on the other foot. The point is that if you are trying to point the finger at Christians who are against the destruction of embryos and fetuses, (AKA-- abortion) please keep in mind that abortion is a real moral issue. You can't expect us to suddenly believe abortion is moral just because we could be punished for believing and voicing our concerns otherwise. That's just not right and it is totally against the ideas of liberty. It's tyranny. Why do I say all of this? Because what do you expect for us to do about it? Believe your way? With that being said, I agree that so-called Christians can behave inappropriately, Heck, even religious institutions CAN AND HAVE behaved in ways they probably should not have. Take a look at church history. I try not to be hypocritical, so I am not going to tie myself to all these things. Like I said, people are far from perfect, and so are their opinions or institutions. Let a man get hold of true religion, and it won't be long before he screws it up for everyone. If you want to point fingers, fine by me. They are people, they do bad things, or as Christians often say "sin." Assuming that this dude in question claims Christianity, that certainly does not mean that he got God's endorsement. I can say, politically speaking, that if we were to start saying "Christian" terrorists, that would spark so much unrest in the Christian community, it would not be funny. Christians are very concerned with the issue of persecution. They don't want to be fed to the lions, whether figuratively or literally. The ironic thing is that persecution tends to make Christianity better and stronger. When it gets to the point where it rules over everyone and is the norm, that's when it starts to stink. Now for the potentially dangerous political incorrectness: For one thing, if our modern society did not embrace so many practices of questionable morality (which the leftists support), the Muslim extremists would have substantially less of an excuse to destroy us. Not saying they wouldn't anyway, nor am I trying to be a right wing nut here. Just sayin'. Secondly, as I approximately said at home when I heard about this thing: When you make a living killing babies, don't be surprised when someone gets pissed off with that and decides to kill you. It's kind of a occupational hazard if you know what I mean. Don't nitpick too much into the semantics of that statement. It is meant to make a point and for artistic value. I can just imagine that becoming a famous quote used a million times over ;D As a legal disclaimer, this statement has nothing personally to do with me, so Big Brother, don't even try to call me a terrorist. I don't want to hear it :P :P :P >:( |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by Zonablazer on 11/30/15 at 19:13:03 Terrorists are terrorists period...it doesn't matter what their social, ethnic, or religious beliefs are. Human beings are inherently flawed, some more than others. |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by cheapnewb24 on 11/30/15 at 19:35:49 Yep, You're right. We should not get political/philosophical tunnel vision. We should not solidly take sides, for when we do, we are liable to take part in our side's evil. Remember, though, that, on a practical note, we should not ignore the beliefs of terrorists either. From what I gather, Islam poses a high risk of violent extremism. If I am not mistaken, the Koran directly encourages violent jihad. I don't think the Bible comes quite to the same level when it comes to encouraging violent behavior. If terrorists did not have extremist beliefs relating to politics/religion, they probably would not be terrorists. We should try not to hurt the innocent which happen to share common, relevant ideas with terrorists (e.g., religion) because, as it has been said: It is better to let the guilty go free then to harm the innocent. However, we should not be PC and stick our heads in the sand. |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by cheapnewb24 on 11/30/15 at 19:52:53 6E5B5A555658554E5146340 wrote:
While this may be true in a way, this idea is a bit flawed. Terrorism is intimately tied with politics. Merriam-Webster's definition is "the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism The FBI has their own complicated legalese definition if you want to bother with reading it all https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition To ignore the politics of the matter would not be strategically wise. Neither can we totally condemn all the ideas that cause the problem just because a group of people suddenly decides to force those ideas down our throats with the tip of a sword. |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by Serowbot on 11/30/15 at 21:16:46 Well, that's that then, isn't it... :-?... |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by cheapnewb24 on 11/30/15 at 21:44:22 Huh? :-? Are you agreeing with me and think that there is nothing more to be said, or are you displeased with my answers? Please elaborate. |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by cheapnewb24 on 11/30/15 at 21:52:09 Serowbot, I would really like for you to read my first post on this thread if you have not already done so, you may find it interesting. |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by WebsterMark on 12/01/15 at 05:48:41 excellent first post in the TT cheap. Pull up a stool. those (well, most of us anyway....) of us who've sat at this table a while won't rat you out to the feds. i wrote a post on christianity a while back, i'll find it and repost for you if i can, i'd be interested in your feedback. |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by WebsterMark on 12/01/15 at 06:05:11 page 3 of a thread started 10/30 or 31 titled "The information enigma' |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by pg on 12/01/15 at 16:25:46 Good idea,... let's keep an open mind... Ted Cruz will address that statement. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b2KyVmmVYw[/media] Best regards, |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by LostArtist on 12/01/15 at 19:09:19 Ted Cruz whining again about the unfair media! Hasn't Obama done enough of that? |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by LostArtist on 12/01/15 at 19:39:32 cheapnewb, here's your "Christian" terrorism, yes it's from a left wing site, doesn't mean these events didn't happen: http://www.salon.com/2013/08/03/the_10_worst_examples_of_christian_or_far_right_terrorism_partner/ and there are active "Christian" terrorism groups, mostly in Africa/middle east: http://aattp.org/here-are-8-christian-terrorist-organizations-that-equal-isis/ Listen, I'm Christian, but people are A$$HOL3S! they get addicted to power and being authoritarians wanting only their way and losing their minds when they forget how to compromise within reason and common sense. Also, I imagine, this is how most Muslims feel about Daesh/ISIS and other "Islamic" terrorists. |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/01/15 at 20:09:55 Some of the best screwings I've had were at the hands of self described Christians. One of the most dependable, trustworthy,honest men I have known Said he was an atheist. But sitting next to him, talking, I can't believe it. He killed himself a few years ago. His health made him burdensome on his wife.One night, when he saw she couldn't go to be with her daughter ,when she was having a baby, he told her. I'm a burden. Next day, twelve gauge ,no longer a burden... |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/01/15 at 20:11:13 A shame, ain't it. :-[ Don't you wish everyone knew about this so all those nutty right-wingers out there would be a little more humble and level-headed. |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by LostArtist on 12/01/15 at 20:22:18 3F34393D2C32392B3E6E685C0 wrote:
----------------- most right wingers, especially the nutty ones, when you tell them about this kind of crap, are full of excuses and almost end up defending these jerks, they say things like, well, Planned Parenthood has killed millions of babies, or that the media is unfairly picking on these "Christian" groups, or sometimes they even double down |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/01/15 at 20:27:52 Justin, I meant that post for Lost's, but it probably applies to yours even better. |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/01/15 at 20:31:51 41627E794C7F79647E790D0 wrote:
----------------- most right wingers, especially the nutty ones, when you tell them about this kind of crap, are full of excuses and almost end up defending these jerks, they say things like, well, Planned Parenthood has killed millions of babies, or that the media is unfairly picking on these "Christian" groups, or sometimes they even double down [/quote] Looks like both sides, both right and left, are doing wrong here, don't you think? |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/01/15 at 20:38:57 Ya think Serobot is going to say anymore? After all, He started it! :P |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/01/15 at 21:29:24 Am I a Christian? Well, I'm perfectly certain that Jesus was crucified. I Believe in God. I'm also just about every no good thing you can name, if not by my hand, then in my heart. So, I am just gonna hafta stand on His sacrifice, because I DO what I know not to do. Lusting in the heart is the same as doing it. Hate in the heart, wishing hurt on someone, or fantasizing about taking a bat to that jackasses head,, dude,, guilty, in the heart. People who go killing and say God made them do it? Uhhh, I Did see some bloodthirsty, wipe them all out, stuff in the old testament, but, I don't remember if there was any of that in the new testament. I don't think so. Self defense, okay, but killing because you Think differently? Naaah.. |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by pg on 12/02/15 at 04:33:39 7265636F6070020 wrote:
Chicago Shooting Victim YEARLY TOTALS JAN. 1, 2015 - DEC. 1, 2015 2,752 shooting victims JAN. 1, 2014 - DEC. 31, 2014 2,587 shooting victims http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings No, I can not ascertain the political affiliations of those involved in the mayhem. However, a point of interest is the party leanings of the city. For much of the last century, Chicago has been considered one of the largest Democratic strongholds in the United States. For example, the citizens of Chicago have not elected a Republican mayor since 1927, when William Thompson was voted into office. Brian Doherty was the only Republican council member in recent decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_history_of_Chicago Best regards, |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/02/15 at 14:21:07 Well, if I was running a place like Chicago and there were so many people getting shot, I think I would enact gun control and prevent shootings by criminals, murderers, by making it ILLEGAL to Have a Gun. It only makes sense! Why don't they Do that!?!? |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by cheapnewb24 on 12/02/15 at 15:13:24 Uhhh... Most of the guns in these shootings ARE ILLEGAL. I'm not sure if that's sarcasm, or if you're actually serious :-?, Chicago already has harsh gun control. Take a look at this article. It's authors seem to be in favor of more gun control, but it is good to look at. http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20151008/NEWS02/151009827/the-problem-with-using-chicago-to-make-the-case-against-gun-control |
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Title: Re: For the Right... Post by pg on 12/02/15 at 16:17:20 I'm not sure if that's sarcasm, or if you're actually serious, I don't think I am stealing JOG's thunder to say that was just a bit of satire. [smiley=thumbup.gif] Best regards, |
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