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Message started by Zonablazer on 10/24/15 at 15:29:53

Title: Looking for recommendations for a new carb float
Post by Zonablazer on 10/24/15 at 15:29:53

Hey everyone...went to clean the carb today on the savage I just bought. When I took off the float bowl cover I discovered that someone prior to me had damage one of the floats. It doesn't have a hole in it or anything but one of the floats side is pushed in.

I've searched all over the net for a replacement float...does anyone have an idea where I can find one? Or is it really necessary for me to replace it?

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by DesertRat on 10/24/15 at 17:27:37

does it look like the 2nd picture in this post?

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1364725734/67#67

here's a link to a 2006 parts breakdown, the float is part #24:

http://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/2006-suzuki-boulevard-s40-ls650-carburetor/o/m147605sch509576

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by norm92de on 10/24/15 at 17:45:47

I wouldn't even think about anything except putting a new float on the carb. Then set it up at the standard setting.
If somebody doesn't chime in I can dig out the proper setting.
New float valves would be better also. A few bucks spent now will be well spent. The agro won't be worth it in the long run. An engine that runs badly is sometimes hard to diagnose. At least you will be sure it is not the float level!

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by verslagen1 on 10/24/15 at 18:48:31

I don't think I'd go for anything but an oem float.

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by Kris01 on 10/24/15 at 19:54:16

Would a dented float cause a problem? It still floats, right?

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by DesertRat on 10/24/15 at 20:15:15

That's what I was thinking Kris. I've rebuilt carbs with dented floats and they worked fine. I've had others (usually plastic) that wouldn't "float" cause they filled with fuel.

My opinion is that if it doesn't have any holes and it floats without binding up, then it's good to go.

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by Zonablazer on 10/24/15 at 20:46:18

436274627573556673070 wrote:

You guys are correct. I did not see any holes or anything and they are the OEM floats. One is just dented. The dent on mine is not as bad as the float you referenced Desert on that other post. I appreciate the link to bike bandit and I was able to find the OEM float for my year.

I've gotta rejet the carb anyways because of the Jardine exhaust the previous owner installed so I'll probably pick up the new float as well.

I really appreciate the assistance :D

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by norm92de on 10/24/15 at 21:30:44

If the float doesn't displace the correct amount of fuel it is not going to be repaired properly.

There is an expression " Heath Robinson" which translates to Southern Engineering.
Repair it properly, what is it going to mean in the overall scheme of things. A few bucks? ;D

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/24/15 at 21:59:01

Put it together. If you have a problem, then spend money. I would have to check the level. When I see signs of hamfisted mechanics working on something I'm working on, I start hunting other signs.
I'd have to check out everything.

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by gizzo on 10/24/15 at 22:57:14

The expression "heath Robinson" actually describes a rube Goldberg condition of useless complexity and eccentricity. Not redneck engineering. Unless there's another H R around.

Re: the float. Try immersing the brass float in boiling water. That can pop the dent out.

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by Zonablazer on 10/25/15 at 06:39:03

I'll give the boiling water thing a try and see what happens. Worse case I'll be back to the same situation, but if it works I may not need to spend the $23 for a new one.

Also, this bike was abused for a couple of years by a kid, any recommendations how to get this carb looking new again? I've tried cleaning with carb cleaner and some rags but just cant get it looking "newish". Should I remove all small parts and pick up a carb dip and let it soak for awhile?

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Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by DesertRat on 10/25/15 at 07:09:44

boiling water is NOT gonna fix that dent, it's CREASED at the edges. If it was "oil can", then it might pop out.

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by Kris01 on 10/25/15 at 07:11:36

Try http://www.eastwood.com/. They may have something that can help.

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by Kris01 on 10/25/15 at 07:17:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ-uf4YyeHI

http://www.howtocleanthings.com/surfaces/how-to-clean-aluminum/

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/1841-How-can-I-remove-oxidation-from-aluminum

http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/708037-best-ways-remove-aluminum-oxidation.html

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by gizzo on 10/25/15 at 13:30:18

Yamalube carb dip. Its the best thing besides ultrasonic cleaning I've ever used Fo clean carbs. Get it at your Yamaha dealer or online. Ultrasonic cleaning is no. 1 though, if you have it near you.

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by norm92de on 10/25/15 at 16:33:50

In England, heath Robinson has evolved into a euphemism for anything that is not kosher-there I go again- I didn't want to use the expression that is not politically correct.

Back to the carb, with that kind of damage, floating is not a guarantee of proper function since the volume has been decreased. Buoyancy. If the float level is checked and proves to be correct. Maybe. ;)

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by HovisPresley on 10/25/15 at 17:21:25

6968756A3E356362070 wrote:

In England, heath Robinson has evolved into a euphemism for anything that is not kosher

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Not to my knowledge.
The term 'Heath Robinson' refers to overly complicated but functional mechanisms (after the cartoonist, as gizzo said), whereas 'not kosher' would tend to mean 'stolen' or 'counterfeit' (outside of it's proper use).

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/25/15 at 19:48:20

I concur with DR, the creases won't pop out, but, I'd still start with poking that end down in boiling water. Gonna need it on something stiff enough to hold that end submerged and long enough to hold it there a while without roasting arm hair. If you can solder, then clean up the low points and solder some decent wire to it. Some bent needle nose pliers and a small bit of wood, fella might fix the thing. Even with the creases, if it opens up any, you'll be ahead. I think it'd run, as is, but, it's against my nature to not try to fix something like that.

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by stewmills on 10/25/15 at 20:23:41

ok...if the float is dented does it in fact decrease bouyancy? you have the same volume of air inside the float, it is just compressed.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/25/15 at 20:50:17

Volume is part of the equation. Yes, the same number of atoms are inside, but it displaces less volume, making it less buoyant.
Density is mass divided by volume. Decreased volume, unchanged mass, increased density.

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by Zonablazer on 10/26/15 at 03:46:06

627D7B7C61665767576F7D713A080 wrote:

It's against my nature to not try and fix something like this as well. I just want to get the carb back on the bike so it's running again until I can get the new float. I almost contemplated opening a small hole in the float where it's soldered to the arm and forcing compressed air into it and closing it up with some solder.

However, the float pin on this thing is not playing friendly and doesn't want to budge. Once I find a punch or something to push it out I'll try the boiling water deal and see what I can get to happen. I've got time because I ordered some of the stainless steel carb bolts from Dave so I'm waiting on those anyways.

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by Dave on 10/26/15 at 04:36:30

If you can trust the USPS tracking....the stainless screws should arrive today. (9114 9999 4760 5908 53)

Getting the float pin out can be a bit tricky if there is corrosion. I put some penetrating oil on and let it work for a while. Then place a small deep socket on the vice and place the carb on the socket so the pin can move down into the socket - then drive the pin with a very small punch. It is a real balancing act to hold the carb and punch with one hand - while lightly tapping with the hammer in your other hand....a helper to hold something would really be handy when doing this.

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/26/15 at 06:05:31

Snap a post,,, major ooopsies. Patience is good. Penetrating oil, good.
I've been a body man, fixed loads of things. If you drill, you'll Have to solder. So,,read my post above
. And, it's probably okay. Look at how it's designed. The pin has plenty of surface, it's designed to operate at a lean,it's a bike. One float displacing , percentage wise, somewhat less volume, is really no big deal, IMO.
I'd just try the boiling water thing and see what happens.

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by Zonablazer on 10/26/15 at 18:23:02

So I got this great idea in my head earlier today thinking about dent removal in the tank.

I took some Aleene's Tacky Dots from my wife's scrapbooking supplies and a golf tee. I placed the tacky dots on the head of the golf tee and applied it to the float and jerked it away quickly. I'll be darned if the durn thing worked. I was able to get ALOT of the dents out. I've attached a quick video to show what I'm talking about. Disregard the noise as I was doing this while my daughter was taking a bath. ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUdaf6_mNIk

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for a new carb flo
Post by gizzo on 10/26/15 at 21:53:51

Genius! That worked well. Nice one :). Looks like that float will go again.