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Title: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Gus on 10/19/15 at 18:25:10 Is there an out let for fender struts without the sissy bar slots on top the strut? Also, during my ride tonight I noticed the handle bars are to narrow and swept in to far. Any suggestions for replacements would surely be welcome. Also looking at wider trple trees and full length fender for the rear. What fits what doesn't. Thanks Gus |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Dave on 10/19/15 at 18:42:21 I had to go look at your other post to see the bike you are working on is a 2002....share that in this thread and people will know better what you are starting with. Watch the Marketplace for the struts without the sissy bar - a lot of folks who are doing RYCA conversions on the later bikes will have those for sale. The later bikes didn't have the sissy bar...and you might even find someone who will trade for you. The early bike also had "Buckhorn" bars.....and most people don't find them comfortable. The later "Drag" bars are nicer, and you will need the taller risers to use them. Wider Triple Trees? You wanting to change the entire front end? For a bigger back fender you have to adapt something....there isn't anything that is bolt on. |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Gus on 10/19/15 at 19:41:47 I apologize for the error of omission about the year of the bike. I'll have to see what I can come up with on the rear fender. Putting feelers out to find out how much aftermarket stuff is available for these. About the triple trees ; I am wanting to put the same size wheel and tire on front and rear. Both wide. I've not done any measurements yet but I'm assuming that will call for a wider setting between the tubes. I'dhave to see what those drags with dog bones looks like. As far as handle bars iI'd like to find some with a little less rise a little less sweep and about six inches wider. As a younger man I spent a lot of time doing century (100 miles) rides on bicycles. It takes me about 3 seconds to recognize a set of bars that are unfit for human use. Those bars on that Savage are not fit for anyone. They are swept in way to far for anyone, save the smallest of riders, to use effectively. I would bet half the people that get rid of these bikes is because of those bars. They gotta go. Thanks, Gus |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by chzeckmate on 10/20/15 at 02:02:38 555A4D505B53065B585006340 wrote:
LOL...Probably not. I'd think putting on a set of drag bars or broomstick would be easier than selling a motorcycle. You can get a set of 36" drag bars cheap and you can reverse a pair of pullback risers to move them forward. Done in five minutes. |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Dave on 10/20/15 at 04:09:30 Our fork tubes are 38mm, and that is not a real common size....and it will be even harder to find some triple trees that are wider. Here is a build thread that used an Intruder font end that is wider. You will get the clearance you need - plus better brakes. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1395723490/0 Now those of use that rides bikes because they handle well and like to ride in the curvy mountain roads.....we will try and talk you out of putting a big meaty front tire on - it will make the bike slow steering and sluggish in the corners. |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Gus on 10/20/15 at 19:21:12 Cheezzz Dave that is good information and a good build thread. Thanks for that. I think, too, that ive found some fendrs on line that will work. Gus |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by WD on 10/21/15 at 09:22:42 Easiest rear fender to adapt is an FL Shovelhead replica. Notch the front of the new fender. Remove all items from stock rear fender, set FL fender over stock one. Weld together, add a real taillight and turn signals, run new wires. Once you finish tuning the tire to fender gap of course, which is done by trimming the stock fender end. Find pics on here of my daily rider. FL fender, tombstone taillight, solo seat, small police windshield, Indian Chief style bags, Road King handlebar, fishtail exhaust, Panhead floorboards... There are 2 versions on the site, the orange with dirt track tank (parts roach) and the black/cream with stock tank. I have 2" dog bone risers on the black bike, 6" or so on the orange one, OR 15" rise ape hangers in stock base risers. Recommended tire sizes are 90/90-19 or 100/90-19 for stock fork; 80/90-21 or 90/90-21 for Intruder fork. Rear handles best with a 130/90-15, looks best with a 140/90-15. |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Art Webb on 10/21/15 at 09:32:45 WD knows his stuff, and his bikes are beautiful If the fender struts interchange year to year, I'd be nore than happy to trade my non sissy struts for your sissy bar and struts, won't cost either of us but for shipping I also like the buckhorns, but I think swapping from the factory drags to the bucks is a bit problematic And TBH, I think I'd like FL bars even better, like WD on one of his bikes or Sporty bars like Versy has on his |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Gus on 10/21/15 at 18:59:27 Dave, I missed the comment about the curvy mountain roads and sluggish steering. I know how the wider front tire will affect the steering and handling. I DO travel a lot of gravel and the wider front tire always seems less twitchy in the dirt. Much of why I bought a Savage has to do with the places I ride and how I ride. I've put a couple hundred miles on this bike since Sunday, when I bought it, and I struggle with the twitchy steering WD thanks for the pointers on the wide fenders. Not sure I want to go as wide as a stock Shovel fender but I'll have to take a closer look. Art I may just take you up on the trade. First I want to take up the B pad and see how much junk is actually under there and see what I can manage to do with it. I wonder if tail light wires can be run beneath the struts the back through the fender and through to the tail light again. Gus |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Art Webb on 10/22/15 at 20:04:54 I don't think there's a lot under there, but I haven't been there for a while and it's after dark now A sissy would give me a place to strap a sissy bar bag, so id you decide you want to swap, let me know |
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Title: wider spacing on tubes Post by Gus on 11/01/15 at 11:56:33 OK Dave, Thanks for got hat link again to that build t hread. I' ve got an intruder front end on the way. I smell a build thread coming on :-? 073C3126373B20263D353827540 wrote:
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Title: Re: wider spacing on tubes Post by Dave on 11/02/15 at 04:32:01 4A45524F444C1944474F192B0 wrote:
When you start your build thread.....keep it in the same thread so it can be posted in the Bike Build. Once it builds up enough momentum and has moved beyond an "idea" and actually has made progress, one of the Moderators can create a link and include it into the "Bike Build" section. |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by 12Bravo on 11/03/15 at 09:19:32 1003470 wrote:
I put a newer FLH front fender over a stock fender that I cut (old bobber project) in order to use stock mounting locations. I also went with a tombstone tail light and a 130/90 tire. I am in the process of sourcing parts to swap the front end out with a VS750/800 and want a larger tank on it. Here is my build thread: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1438813391/0 |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Gus on 11/04/15 at 08:47:05 WD, Thanks for the fender info. and tire size options. I'm going to be making some of these changes during the off season; if that ever come's. Still riding here. I've got an Intruder front end on the way already. 7566220 wrote:
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by WD on 11/05/15 at 10:22:04 http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y490/mphsgal/Jeffs%20pix/Sam/sam_03_2015_zpsbj9qtouq.jpg... Daily rider bags have since been swapped. http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y490/mphsgal/Jeffs%20pix/Sam/Sam4_zpsfb9945f0.jpg... I think you can see which parts off the orange one went onto the black one. http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y490/mphsgal/LISA-HP/Photos/Savage/drum3_zps16bc55ef.jpg... Yes that is a drum front wheel, no, you can't have it. http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y490/mphsgal/LISA-HP/Photos/Savage/chikstik1web_zpsfa7142e7.jpg... Formerly everyone's favorite version of the bike that had a terminal electrical failure. I do need to either add a lowering kit or swap back to stock shocks on my daily rider. Too much tire to fender gap. |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Gus on 11/10/15 at 19:14:57 That bike with the tall sissy bar on it is a sweet looking ride DW. I was out riding tonite (45°) and had wildlife with antlers cross the road in front of me. It was dark and cold so wasn't traveling to fast ; 50 methinks. Nice note for a ride; lotsa deer around d here. DNR feeds them not a mile from my place during g cold weather. Anyway I got my Intruder front end in the mail today. Tubes look to be about an inch longer than stock Savage tubes. The only way I can see putting a wider tire on an Intruder front end is to saw off the fender mounts. That is my initial observation anyway. Here is a pic of the frontend. |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Dave on 11/11/15 at 03:59:47 Gus: You are most like correct about the fender mounts.....the Intruder has a wide front end and a narrow front tire - with a skinny fender on it. The mounting points on the forks are extended to allow the fender/bracket to be small and light. Trimming the mounts back shouldn't cause any problems - however you might have to drill and tap the bolt holes a bit deeper if they don't provide enough bolt hole depth when trimmed back. You could also remove the mounts completely if you don't plan on having a front fender. |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Gus on 11/11/15 at 09:49:54 I am going to put a full fender on the front so I'll have to do some modifications on the fender mounts. Tube sizing on the Savage is 38mm and on the Intruder it is 41mm so I'll have to use the intruder tubes. They are about an inch longer than the Savage tubes. I want to shorten the original tube length anyway so using the Intruder tubes isn't a problem. First I want to put a larger rear wheel on. Then I will address the tube length. I'd. Like to put on an 18" rear wheel. I'm wondering if I can do that without lengthening the swing arm. I've already been looking into that. Anyone know of anyone that has lengthened a swing arm on a Savage. I know the tubes are oval. |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Dave on 11/11/15 at 10:53:44 I run an 18" rear wheel and a 130/70-18 tire without any clearance problems with the swing arm. If you get a tire much bigger in diameter than that and you may have a clearance problem with the cross piece at the front, and most people trim that back rather than lengthen the swing arm......as they can still use the stock rubber belt. If you lengthen the swing arm you either need to convert to a chain.....or you could use a Kawasaki KZ750 rear pulley which has 65 teeth instead of 68 teeth and a longer swing arm to work with the stock belt. If you are going with a 18x2.50 rim you should only be running a tire up to 120 wide - a larger tire will require a wider rim, and the 130/70-18 tire is supposed to be on a 18x3.50 rim. The only way that I have seen anyone lengthen the stock swing arm is to extend the flat plates, RYCA sells pieces that are cut to fit onto the stock swingarm. It would also be possible to get a second swing arm and splice the two together to make a longer arm.....but that is a bit risky as it will be putting more stress on the swingarm, and it was never really designed to be that long, and most most likely doesn't have a lot of extra strength built in. |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Gus on 11/11/15 at 11:08:16 Thanks for the useful info Dave. The tire size thing kinda gets away from me. I'll have to look at some wheels and tires for reference. I'll go back and look at your build a bit too and look at your tire. I'm not opposed to tweaking my plan a bit to make things a little easier and cheaper. As long as I am able to get the desired outcome. |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Art Webb on 11/11/15 at 11:12:08 He said 'twerking' ;D |
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Title: Re: sissy bar and B pad hafta go Post by Gus on 11/11/15 at 11:22:43 Yowzer LOL twerking is easier than twerking. [ch55357][ch56844] |
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