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Title: Rotella T6 oil Post by MnSpring on 10/01/15 at 08:26:37 Needed some oil, so went to Fleet Farm, for some Rotella. Their is a 5.00 Rebate per gal on the T-6 Slip says good to Oct 31, and 2 rebates per house. Here, it brought the price down to, 16.35 a gal. |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by Oldfeller on 10/01/15 at 10:17:01 Dave has proven to me that standard Rotella can indeed survive our mountain trips without distress and my paying double for T6 really isn't required. I, who for all this time said give me T6 or give me death, just filled my Savage up with dino Rotella triple protection ..... Justin will approve, I am sure .... |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by MnSpring on 10/01/15 at 15:17:21 I have never used, ’synthetic’ oil, in anything, (Just To Expensive) always the cheapest I could find, BUT, changed it often. Had to, ’stock up’, on the regular, and thought; ‘Gonna Try the new fangled stuff’. Have a 25 hp, gas, air cooled, lawn mower, that in the summer, can get, Real Hot. So was going to try some in it. To late this season, (Hey Bot, hows the Jacket coming ?) And at 4.00 a quart, (with the rebate), worth a shot. Just thought I would mention it, for those who do use it on a regular basis. |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by Dave on 10/01/15 at 18:16:22 At that price....it is worth a try! |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by Oldfeller on 10/01/15 at 18:58:55 Oh, T6 is really good oil, I've used it for 10 years now -- but I want to see if my clutch heals itself some after getting rid of a certain "higher level" of ZDDP replacement additives (moly oils) that are going into all synthetics now, and that includes T6. Moly oils are moving into most all synthetic lubes now, with the exception of Red Line that has stuck with the mega doses of ZDDP that used to be common in all oils. It is an experiment ...... I also want to observe the change in my weep rate on my head ooze issues using dino vs synthetic Rotella. |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/01/15 at 19:20:44 It is an experiment. Isn't Everything? |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by Oldfeller on 10/01/15 at 19:29:15 No, for example Win 10 is not an experiment. With over half of the folks answering polls now having some sort of issue to complain about, now Win 10 is no longer an experiment any longer. It is a dubious bet "against the odds". ;) ..... but hey, sez MS, it is for free if you are using Win 7 or Win 8.1 or if live in China we'll cover them pirated XP installations too ..... |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/01/15 at 19:49:51 Well, every I do IS an experiment. That's a train wreck, and they're just giving it away.. Wonderful |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by old_rider on 10/01/15 at 21:52:15 Well, my 2000 F150 with 211,000 miles on it is due an oil change (7 quarts), maybe i'll go get me a couple gallons. |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/15 at 02:38:01 Cars with emissions sensors need not apply for Rotella as the ZDDP can cause long term damage to the sensors in the exhaust system. But I understand you think your sensors are shot already, and practically speaking this may be true. But ZDDP over 5-6 years can cause the O2 sensors to fault out on your yearly inspections and wind up costing you money to replace them every decade or so. Cars need car oil, I am afraid. Car oils now have moly oil and other stuff in them and these other goodies are intended to support modern car valve train systems with roller tappets and shim and bucket type systems since they have no appreciable amounts of ZDDP in them any more. Rotella is needed to support antique systems like in the Savage, which require LARGE amounts of ZDDP. But 3 years ago Rotella T6 picked up moly oil as a required additive as a current spec'd oil ..... we announced it when it was first seen and then started watching for issues associated with it and have now begun to see the clutch slip just a little bit until the engine warms up completely. To verify moly oil as the "possible cause", to Rot Dino I go. Rotella dino has no moly oil in it as moly only goes into the synthetics by requirement ...... |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by springman on 10/02/15 at 07:15:23 Well Odfeller, my question then is do you ride in the cold weather? I currently use the dino Rotella in the summer and the synthetic Rotella in the winter just because I want that lighter starting viscosity for the cold weather. |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/15 at 09:02:30 Riding in the winter is no strain on the oil or the engine, the Savage's whole general age generation was originally a 20W40 oil as in '87 that was the popular oil weight for Japanese motorcycles. Then it went 10W40 when it became the common prevalent oil weight. Ignore Harleys, they have been 20W50 since Harley was a puppy -- and Harley development had nothing to do with Japanese built Savages. First digit has to do with cold weather pumpability and quite frankly our oil galleries are short and our straight cut gear mechanical oil pump is going to immediately pump the oil no matter how thick it is. Plus, on an air cooled single cylinder our "in the jug" oil gallery brings the oil up to jug temp long before it reaches the cam bearings themselves. Rotella T6 has a long history of rendering our bikes "overheat temperature proof" and for that reason I'd still recommend it over Rotella dino. I just need to perform a little experiment right now to see what I can see. Dave has proved to me that dino can take it, as he has been on every trip in the last 5 years or so running dino. In truth, the synthetic oils are somewhat harder on "O" rings and other rubber components, leading to minor shrinkage and weep-type leaks, of which I've got one right now. Let's see what a season of dino does to prevent me from having to do a tear down on an otherwise good running engine .... |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/02/15 at 11:45:40 What seals are you worried about? |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by Ultimafuego on 10/02/15 at 13:33:44 Just to chime in on you Oldfeller, My Suzuki is the newest thing I have owned in quite a few years. My daily driver up until last year and still running strong is a '53 Pontiac Chieftain with a flathead straight 8. Rotella dino is my favorite for all of these old cars. I even add just a touch of extra zinc for those tappets. You can hear the difference on the valve train quick. Engine has 16,000 miles on it after overhaul on it 3 years ago. Ive owned a '77 GS750, a '80 KZ650, an 80 XS400, 3 different VW diesel rabbits( two brand new engines), 3 VW Bugs, and currently an '84 mercedes 300d. All run Rotella Dino. All of themimmediately sound better on cold starts and no valve noise after a hard run after changing over to rotella. The merc had castrol 20w-50 in it its whole life. I have been convinced of this stuff after trying several types and the only other one I will run is Delo 400. I was happy to see the opinions of people in the oil wars on this site leaning towards common sense after seeing so many people going on about royal purple this and motul that. |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by Ultimafuego on 10/02/15 at 13:35:21 A few of these vehicles seepage as well and the rotella helped with that too. |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by Oldfeller on 10/02/15 at 15:16:57 Common knowledge is always suspect, so before I said anything I would try it both ways then just speak to what I had done. On the T6 benefit side, I have over-revved to valve float going up mountains and down mountains and crawled up dirt roads in first gear (bad for overheating) and done LOTS of abusive stuff (like idling while waiting for 6 guys to finally get their gear on) and T6 withstood all of it without breaking down even one little smidgen. Oil consumption using T6 was minimal and always stayed within the "list side stand method" standard vs the Suzuki upright standard at all times, even on our longest trips. I do have a small oil weep though, that looks to be rocker pin "O" ring related. Nothing serious, just means I give the head area a bath before going out on a group ride, actually. What shall I learn? I'll know it when I learn it. ;) |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by pg on 10/02/15 at 15:59:14 183B3331323B3B3225570 wrote:
That has been my experience with T6 as well. [smiley=thumbup.gif] Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by springman on 10/02/15 at 16:36:26 Well then, it appears that whether I use dino or synthetic as long as it is the Rotella I should be fine. Works for me. |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by Kris01 on 10/02/15 at 19:14:57 I've used Rot dino in the bike exclusively. I don't plan on changing brands or styles any time soon. It's never let me down. |
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Title: Re: Rotella T6 oil Post by Dave on 10/03/15 at 03:36:17 3B383A21262F252926480 wrote:
I was really a "doubting Thomas" about Rotella when I first came to this forum. I had read other accounts of using Rotella T in bikes with good results - but nobody backed it up with any information. The Suzuki DR650 guys love it, and I also read several accounts of folks who race vintage bikes that use it....but nothing to back it up. This forum was different as it provided the data to show that it was the reduced ZDDP in the more modern and more expensive oils that made the difference. I also realized that if I used the very affordable dino Rotella....most likely I will never have an oil related failure....and most likely I will never wear the engine out. With my current work and home life schedule trying to keep the weeds and grass cut back on 27 acres, and I burn firewood - so I can only sneak in about 4,000 miles of riding a year on the 3 bikes I currently ride. All of the bikes, the lawn mowers and my tractor run Rotella T....and I even use it in my Pontiac Vibe (which may require an oxygen sensor purchase at some point...not sure how picky the EPA is being about the life of the oxygen sensor). |
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