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Title: LED Headlight option? Post by Dave on 09/10/15 at 07:43:44 Here is a possible solution to a custom LED headlight. It is all self contained, has a high/low beam, and even includes a mount that could easily be adapted to the Savage. The face can have either a chrome or black background. One downside is that there is no housing - so there is no place to hide the wiring at the front of the bike where the turn signals, ground wires and wiring harness connect.....you might need to relocate those connections or make a small box to hide them. (The light is just a bit too "high tech" looking for the kind of look I want....which is more vintage). https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/motorcycle-led-bulbs/7-round-led-sealed-beam-headlight--h6024-led-driving-light/2512/ |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by koehlerrk on 09/10/15 at 09:41:16 Draws 91 watts but only delivers 1600 Lumens? Very inefficient since most 60 watt LED lights deliver in the 6000 Lumen range. Here's one I'm ordering to try on my bike, and if it doesn't fit, I'll order a second one and drop them into the wifes' car. Draws 30 watts, 3000 Lumen output. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1PC-Motorcycle-Bike-LED-Cree-Headlight-Hi-Lo-H4-9003-6000K-30W-3000LM-Bulb-/261969580758?hash=item3cfe9a92d6&vxp=mtr |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by Dave on 09/10/15 at 10:52:40 If you want a bulb in the stock housing......other options are likely cheaper. I just threw this thing up for those who have a broken headlight bucket, lens or reflector - and needed an entire light assembly. If the light is truly 91 watts....that might be too much for the Savage electrical system. The data attached to that light also lists 40.5 watts as the power draw......so maybe while on low beam it only consumes half what it does on the high beam. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by verslagen1 on 09/10/15 at 11:45:41 dave, not dot approved, take a look at the light pattern, a lot of light is too high. 91 watts is probably equivalent incandescent luminosity, 40 watts current draw. I believe the HID lamp I got was 3000 lumins which was 3x, this is 1600 so 1.6x. K, not a true Hi/Lo bulb, all elements were on 1 side. Hi lights up the bottom of the bulb and Lo lights up the top. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by Dave on 09/10/15 at 12:25:25 Does anybody make an LED light bulb that can be installed in a reflector that was designed for a filament bulb....and is DOT approved...or properly controls light patterns? When we were on the Dragon run this year MMRanch, Adam and I were coming home after dark one night.....and several bikes absolutely blinded me with their LED light show. It is not uncommon for the big Cruiser boys to have an LED headlight and another LED running light on each side of the headlight (3 total) - but one obnoxious fellow had the LED Headlight, another on each side of the headlight........and another LED light on each side of the crash bar - He had 5 LED lights blaring at me! |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by verslagen1 on 09/10/15 at 12:44:20 Harlet must make one as it's available from factory that way. And being that LED are a single point light source, should not be that hard to place them so they replicate a halogen bulb. Even my 3 chip light does a fairly good job of it. but spot lights might not be, and if they aim them wrong... Since they are the same as Hi's, why are they running them? |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by youzguyz on 09/10/15 at 12:51:09 4F74796E7F73686E757D706F1C0 wrote:
I've looked for H4 LED bulbs that are DOT compliant. So, far, this is the only one I found (just now). Looks like it might be too deep for the bucket. https://www.lifetimeledlights.com/led_lights/h4_led_bulb_h4_led_headlight_bulbs |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by youzguyz on 09/10/15 at 12:55:45 Here's another: http://www.carid.com/plasmaglow/led-headlight-conversion-kit-mpn-h4-led.html I wonder if any of these are ok for motorcycle use? I seem to remember reading that on H4 packages before. This is interesting: http://candlepowerinc.com/pdfs/H4_9003.pdf |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by 12Bravo on 09/10/15 at 13:21:33 Another option is to replace the 5 1/2 in headlight with a 7 in one and then use the Trucklite Phase 7 LED light. I have the Phase 7 on my Street Glide and it is way better than stock. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/15 at 17:39:08 Paladin had a really cool, old looking, looked like it belonged on a narrow gauge locomotive.. headlight.. and a seat that wouldn't cause hurt after hundreds of miles. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by Face on 09/10/15 at 18:59:32 Like 12Bravo, I too have a TruckLite 7" LED. Looks much better than the "wall" of diodes most LED headlights sport. Light output is good, it uses only 23 watts on low beam, and it's DOT approved. TruckLite part number 27270C. Only down side? $$$$$ Value is in the wallet of the beholder. Only reason I went with it is to free up some watts for a fuel injection conversion. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by GridMonkey on 09/10/15 at 20:02:29 I've posted in the past about this headlight bulb http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-Headlight-6000K-18W-Hi-12W-Lo-Light-For-Harley-Kawasaki-Motorcycle-Motorbike/261536384680?_trksid=p2059210.c100148.m2813&_trkparms=ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140127102845%26meid%3D8f955b9400a84b6eba96647c53629345%26pid%3D100148%26 it works quite well and keeps the pattern, mostly, there is a bit of spill compared to a filament, but can be fairly well controlled with just a bit of tip down on your focus screws. just fyi i'm a theatre tech with an emphasis is lighting design so i know my optics/reflectors, ect. There is a screw that you need to change out the mount plate with that allows you to move the diode in and out, just a bit, compared to the focus point of our reflectors that can help too. I also two of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorcycle-12V-30W-CREE-U2-LED-Fog-Spot-Laser-Head-Light-Waterproof-Working-Lamp-/201414561155?var=&hash=item2ee53e4d83 that are tied into my low beam circuit and they are clamped to the top of my front turn signals aimed lower but still quite a ways down the road. I've had them all for this whole season and i've been flashed once by oncoming and i've ridden behind friends in cages and on bikes and never had anyone tell me it was too much. In bright daylight i run them flashing, night time if i'm in high traffic i run them low and the rest of the time i use them on high. I have to flick my high/low headlight switch to change modes but it works for me. cheers |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by chzeckmate on 09/11/15 at 00:07:15 6B5E45486143424749552C0 wrote:
I've been looking at doing exactly what you have done here. I wonder if you'd be willing to put up some driver's view photos of what you're seeing with your setup at night. I'd be very interested to see what the potential improvement looks like from your point of view. You might alleviate my hesitation. Thanks a bunch! |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by GridMonkey on 09/11/15 at 10:12:38 Sure, just have to find the thread, http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1434338766/6#6 Is my post with some pics, the whole thread has some good images, Oldrider installed the same headlamp, doesn't have the side lights though. hope it helps |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by chzeckmate on 09/11/15 at 15:37:05 497C676A436160656B770E0 wrote:
Definitely helps, thanks! I'm curious...Do you notice any stress on the signal arms from mounting the cree lights there? Does the light bounce or is it all nice and stable? Does the light from the headlamp bother oncoming traffic that you've noticed? |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by GridMonkey on 09/11/15 at 16:32:57 I haven't really noticed stress on the arms, i have them connected to the rubber part as tight to the fork mount as possible. The bounce is minimal, no more than the bike vibrating would do anyway. I only got high beams flashed at me once early on and i lowered the aim just a tiny tiny amount and haven't been flashed at since so i assume its ok. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by chzeckmate on 09/11/15 at 19:50:32 02372C21082A2B2E203C450 wrote:
Cool! I feel really good about it. I'm going to go ahead with it. I'll post pics when it's done. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by old_rider on 09/12/15 at 22:16:55 I do have a high beam on the tri-shaped LED.... When on low beam it lights the top two thirds of the bulb area, and on high the base LED kicks in to give a full span of light. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHOdDOAFS38 [/media] |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by youzguyz on 09/13/15 at 02:14:23 2E2D253328252433410 wrote:
Where did you get your LED bulb? Any other info? |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by Dave on 09/17/15 at 03:57:44 When you install the LED bulb......some of them just don't provide the upper cut off that prevents the light from shining upwards, and into the eyes of the drivers coming toward you. This is true not only in our motorcycles - but also in cars (I am sure you have all seen those cars/trucks that have been converted and look like they have their brights on). The Honda ST forum has a thread where folks are modifying their LED lights to provide the upper cut off that the original bulbs have. It involves making and attaching some small shields to prevent the light from spilling out where it shouldn't be going. http://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?146534-How-to-modify-H4-led-to-reduce-glare-ST1300 |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by verslagen1 on 09/17/15 at 07:41:30 7D6B717E63717D7E040 wrote:
Where did you get your LED bulb? Any other info?[/quote] This is the link he gave previously... http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-Headlight-6000K-18W-Hi-12W-Lo-Light-For-Harley-Kawasaki-Motorcycle-Motorbike/261536384680?_trksid=p2059210.c100148.m2813&_trkparms=ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140127102845%26meid%3D8f955b9400a84b6eba96647c53629345%26pid%3D100148%26 I had this in my bike for the 1st texas run as well. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by verslagen1 on 09/17/15 at 07:44:12 43787562737F646279717C63100 wrote:
Dave their pic's are too tiny for me to even copy and paste into another app to see whats going on. Do you have access to larger pic's? (I click on them and they want me to log in) :P |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by Dave on 09/17/15 at 10:29:38 Sorry....I guess you have to be a member to open the thumbnail. Here are 2 of the photos that shows how they are building tiny deflectors to limit where the light goes. http://i59.tinypic.com/2n69qoy.jpg Notice on the wall shot on the left how much light is spilling upwards and would be in the eyes of oncoming traffic. The photo on the right shows how the little deflector they built keeps the light from going up above the horizontal cut off. http://i61.tinypic.com/33avvo9.jpg |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by Boogie_with_Stu on 09/18/15 at 13:33:14 Gridmonkey, I looked at those lights when I was going over the "how to get more light in the front of the bike without burning up the R/R bla bla bla" phase. The 3 mode operation of these lights is what turned me off. There are hundreds of different vendors that sell over a dozen different variations of these lights on eBay. Different housings, colors, brackets, etc...but the thing they all have in common is the "strobe" effect. If that mode could be removed or disabled, these lights would be worth twice the price they are asking for them (to me anyway). I'm fairly certain that the operational modes are controlled by an on-board microchip, so modifying them is likely not possible....but being a techie and a tinkerer, I'm gonna order one just to play with. Btw, another way to power these would be to use the front running light power wire. I have 2 "daylight visible" amber running lights that attach to the forks. They pull about 1.2 watts of actual power (x2). So, the original stalk running light/turn signals would just function as turn signals. The 2 custom amber LED lights on the forks and these spotlights could be powered by the old "running light" wire. The original running lights pull roughly 9 watts each. The new configuration with daylight amber LEDs and these spotlights would pull approximately 10.5 watts per side on low beam, and say...13 watts per side on high beam. That is only an increase of 8 watts total on the system (worst case) and only a 2 watt increase during most driving. I dont think that is enough to harm the Regulator/Rectifier balance (although I am willing to entertain the possibility that I'm wrong). After all, the OEM headlight goes from 35 watts on low beam to 55 watts on high beam. Thats a 20 watt swing, and doesnt seem to hurt the system any. Just thinking out loud here...don't mind the rattling noises. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by old_rider on 09/18/15 at 16:58:33 5D4B515E43515D5E240 wrote:
Where did you get your LED bulb? Any other info?[/quote] Here is what I did on the wife's bike.... I show the box it came in at the beginning of the video. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2S7CEYCX9c [/media] |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by GridMonkey on 09/18/15 at 22:13:23 Boogie, I actually like the strobe option, ive switched over to a bar mounted momentary normally closed switch, that takes power from the low beam circuit since that's using the other led, just to pop through the modes with a push so its pretty quick. http://98.124.154.122/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=catshow&ref=switch_mounts&sid=5q9r1wj716i84iv84i625rc5usx723v2 is where i got the swtiches. But back to the strobe mode, i use it during super bright sunny days just as an extra eye grabber. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by bkercher on 03/15/16 at 15:00:36 koehlerrk - did the ebay bulb work on the bike? |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by Dave on 03/16/16 at 04:04:09 This thread is a bit out of date.....more info has come along since it was started. The following thread is a bit more up to date: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1453064396/0 The bottom line is that if you are going to get an LED bulb, make sure it has the shields that provide a vertical cut-off for the low beam light. This vertical cut off is what keeps the light from shining in the eyes of the other drivers, and it is what makes the difference between your stock low and high beams - the low beam has a vertical cut-off that keeps the light from shining in folks eyes. The following bulb set has a shield installed. http://www.amazon.com/Headlight-Evitek-6500K-Easy-Installed-4500LM/dp/B017M566T4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1451400580&sr=8-3&keywords=EVITEK%20h4&tag=viglink20849-20 |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight option? Post by Savageman on 06/12/16 at 19:13:17 https://www.superbrightleds.com/cat/led-headlight-bulbs-conversion-kits/filter/Base_Type,H4,1,4932: Try this seller manu. I've had good luck with them. |
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