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Title: oil Post by irishjake on 09/01/15 at 12:21:13 Hi guys , well with all of your help my bobber build is nearly there.I want to start her up but first I need to put in some oil. Living in Ireland it would seem that it is not possible to buy Rotella here. Castrol classic has been suggested but their seems to be some doubt as to its zddp content plus its 20w50. So any suggestions? :) |
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Title: Re: oil Post by Dave on 09/01/15 at 12:25:13 Most of us have no idea what kind of oil you can get in Ireland. You should be looking for an oil with 1,200 ppm of ZDDP, and no friction modifiers. Depending on the temperatures your ride in, 20W-50 might be a tad thick. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by pg on 09/01/15 at 12:28:23 On amazon I ordered some ZDDP additive. A lot of folks get red line brand, I think I ordered eastwood. Anyways, just a thought. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: oil Post by Kris01 on 09/01/15 at 18:14:09 I don't know how oil is labeled in Ireland but here in the U.S. we have a label that states "Energy Conserving". You don't want that! You can check online for whatever oil you're interested to see if it is wet clutch compatible. That's the oil you want. If you happen to find out how much zinc is in the oil then you can boost it to 1100-1200 ppm with Redline ZDDP additive. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by MnSpring on 09/01/15 at 18:43:34 Their is a, AMSOIL, oil product, which has Zinc, in it, I think 1200 PPM, But is is about 12.00 a quart here. Don't know, if that's available in Ireland. If you can, 'Net' order. Get Rotella, and Redline. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by jcstokes on 09/01/15 at 18:57:24 I visited www.shell.ie they list shell Rimula oils as heavy duty diesel oils. Whether these are the same or similar to Rotella I can't say. I do note that some in the 10w-40 range are suffixed F6 whereas this forum favours Rotella T6. If you go down this path, and it would do no harm to contact Shell Ireland regarding ZDDP content stay away from anything suffixed F6E as these are energy saving. There is a site, Bob the oil guy who may help. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by Boogie_with_Stu on 09/01/15 at 20:49:53 6A6373746F6B6573000 wrote:
The T6 is a fully synthetic oil. I dont recall anyone here recommending synthetics :-? I bought the T1 straight grade Rotella 15w-40. Did I get the wrong oil? |
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Title: Re: oil Post by verslagen1 on 09/01/15 at 20:57:24 4C414149474B0359475A46035D5A5B2E0 wrote:
The T6 is a fully synthetic oil. I dont recall anyone here recommending synthetics :-? I bought the T1 straight grade Rotella 15w-40. Did I get the wrong oil?[/quote] Look at your label again, T1 is straight 10, 30, 40 or 50, not 15w-40. We favor Rotella, some lean T, some T6. I lean T6. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by Kris01 on 09/01/15 at 20:57:39 Nope. Great stuff. That's what I use. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/15 at 21:10:20 Gov to a truck stop, where they do big turmoil changes. Look on big roads . |
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Title: Re: oil Post by irishjake on 09/01/15 at 23:44:17 Thanks guys I think I will give She'll a call will let you know what I find out |
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Title: Re: oil Post by jcstokes on 09/01/15 at 23:47:41 From what I can see on the Shell USA site. Rotella is also listed as a heavy Diesel oil. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by chzeckmate on 09/02/15 at 00:05:30 I believe you can get Mobil 1 Racing 4T in Ireland. You can run that with no ZDDP additive. I'm currently running Mobil 1 Racing 4T, but I don't like the price. I'm due for a change and I've already got the Rotella T6 on the bench and waiting for the filter to arrive in the next few days. 6A67676F616D257F617C60257B7C7D080 wrote:
I second what Versy said...T or T6 is the stuff. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by Dave on 09/02/15 at 04:06:29 3F3626213A3E3026550 wrote:
Rotella is a "Heavy Duty Engine Oil"........it is suitable for use in diesel engines, and also rated for use in gasoline engines. It is rated for use in motorcycles and wet clutches as it does not have any friction modifiers. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by irishjake on 09/03/15 at 01:15:04 Thanks guys this is turning into a bit of a nightmare. I thought I would be able to just pop in to my local bike shop and pick up some oil. I've contacted a few companies to see what they think. Will let you know if they ever reply. Rimula is apparently not suitable. Why do you not have to add zddp to mobile 1 ? Does anyone know of someone or a company that could send Rotella over here ? Thanks again for your help |
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Title: Re: oil Post by pg on 09/03/15 at 03:46:10 3C273C263D3F343E30550 wrote:
In the states one can find Rotella on Amazon. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: oil Post by HovisPresley on 09/03/15 at 07:03:24 Jake, I'm in the UK and I use 'Rock Oil' semi-synthetic 10w40. It has no 'friction modifiers' and is for use with wet clutches, so it's ideal. I also add a little Redline ZDDP which I bought on ebay, not cheap, but you only use a small amount each oil change. Hope this helps :) PS. Where in Ireland are you? Lovely place :) |
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Title: Re: oil Post by irishjake on 09/03/15 at 07:58:27 Near Limerick City but up in the hills of North Tipperary. You should come over to Bikefest next summer[ch128512]how do you decide on how much redline to add?I got this email from a specialist oil supplier. [ People are often overly concerned about ZDDP, if you buy an oil from a reputable company, it will have sufficient anti-wear additives, whether it's ZDDP or a similar chemical. Also, oils contain the correct additives for what they are designed for - a 20w-50 for classic engines will have a higher ZDDP content than a 10w-30 for the latest Hondas. If you really want a high ZDDP content, go for the Silkolene Pro 4, Silkolene Comp 4, Motul 300V or Red Line oils. ]. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by Tocsik on 09/03/15 at 08:48:39 514A514B505259535D380 wrote:
Here's a link to the blend table. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1345080430) |
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Title: Re: oil Post by HovisPresley on 09/03/15 at 09:12:01 Our bikes are almost 'pre-historic' in terms of the engine design. Especially the top end, where the ZDDP will benefit most. Off hand, I can't remember how much ZDDP to use, but it's the equivalent to a couple of caps full per oil-change. The gurus on here will know better ;) The main thing is to use an oil without friction modifiers (for use with a wet clutch) or your clutch will start slipping. I know your area well :) My son lives in Scarriff, Clare, I spend some time every now and then in Cloughjordan, Tipp, I used to work at Crannagh castle, and used to house-sit winters in Balinure/Horse and Jockey area. I know the pub in Moneygall which is where the Dublin/Limerick bus stops...... and where a certain man called Obama has links ;D ;D ;D Next year's Bikefest sounds good to me! :) |
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Title: Re: oil Post by irishjake on 09/03/15 at 10:03:28 Small world my wife works just down the road from Scarrif in Killaloe. Check out Bikefest at http://www.irelandbikefest.com it's a free event open to all Might be a nice trip over from the States if any Savage owners want to call by[ch128515] |
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Title: Re: oil Post by HovisPresley on 09/03/15 at 10:57:26 That Bikefest looks great! Killarney is beautiful with great roads too 8-) The bridge at Killaloe/Ballina is still a traffic jam? ;D ;D ;D Have you tried looking at the oils that the local farmers' co-op (or whatever it's called), worth a try. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by irishjake on 09/03/15 at 12:51:46 Yep bridge still bad! |
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Title: Re: oil Post by Tocsik on 09/03/15 at 13:03:08 0C2B322D371436213728213D440 wrote:
I think I put 60 mls in a gallon of Rot. Wait, that seems high. Have to check when I get home :-[ |
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Title: Re: oil Post by Kris01 on 09/03/15 at 19:25:43 I use 2 ozs. per gallon of Rotella. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by tom3949 on 09/05/15 at 14:29:34 I'm over in Liverpool and when I was looking at suitable oil aviaible in the UK I came up with the following: Mobil Racing 4T (expensive!) Valvoline VR1 (half the price of the Mobil) Both of the above have high ZDDP content, but if you need any more: Eastwood ZDDP additive (ebay.co.uk) Hope this helps |
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Title: Re: oil Post by irishjake on 09/06/15 at 00:32:40 I got really excited when I looked at vr1 really good protection and available here. But then I read that it's not suitable for wet clutches Have you actually used it? |
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Title: Re: oil Post by tom3949 on 09/06/15 at 07:22:09 766D766C77757E747A1F0 wrote:
No I haven't used VR1 - I have Mobil T4 racing in the bike at the moment. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by irishjake on 09/06/15 at 08:07:08 Had a look at the Mobil racing. Apart from the price the only problem seems to be that it might have too much zddp 1700 ppm Is that too much? |
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Title: Re: oil Post by tom3949 on 09/06/15 at 13:19:00 6E756E746F6D666C62070 wrote:
That should be fine. The guys in the know here seem to recommend anything between 1200 - 1800 ppm or even higher - but I am sure someone will come along to correct me if I am wrong on this. ;) |
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Title: Re: oil Post by irishjake on 09/06/15 at 14:17:56 What grade of Mobil 4t racing do you use? I can only find 15w50 although the Mobil site says there is also 10w40 |
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Title: Re: oil Post by Boogie_with_Stu on 09/07/15 at 09:49:07 392A3D3C232E282A217E4F0 wrote:
The T6 is a fully synthetic oil. I dont recall anyone here recommending synthetics :-? I bought the T1 straight grade Rotella 15w-40. Did I get the wrong oil?[/quote] Look at your label again, T1 is straight 10, 30, 40 or 50, not 15w-40. We favor Rotella, some lean T, some T6. I lean T6.[/quote] [/i] Checked the jug in the shed....Rotella T, 15W 40. I dont know where I got the idea that synthetics were not recommended on the Savage. I do troll the Honda Rebel/Nighthawk 250 forums so it might have come from there. More than likely I just "misunderstood" something I read here :o |
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Title: Re: oil Post by tom3949 on 09/07/15 at 10:04:37 657E657F64666D67690C0 wrote:
It's the 15w 50 I have been using. We seem to be limited in what is available over here when compared to the US. I am sure there is probably a nice cheap oil available in the UK which just needs pepping up with some ZDDP additive to be perfect for the savage. Problem is I just haven't found it yet! |
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Title: Re: oil Post by norman breedon on 09/07/15 at 10:13:04 Irishjake, FWIW, I called Mobil and they told me that Mobil 1 racing 4T has 1300 ppm ZDDP. I am using it in my bike as is. :) |
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Title: Re: oil Post by norman breedon on 09/07/15 at 10:15:57 By the way the grade is 10W40 as Suzuki recommends. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by irishjake on 09/07/15 at 13:39:00 Eureka! Emailed Exol (UK company) I use their universal tractor oil in my landrover discovery , most Landrover forums recommend this Got an email back very quickly which is nice as im still waiting to hear back from most other companies. (Opie oils excepted, who were very helpful). Any way Rob Lundie at Exol stated that their 10w40 motorcycle oil contains 1200 ppm also they sell optima vimax 10w40 and vanguard rally 20w50 which contain 1400 zinc He says these last 2 aren't recommended for wet clutches but he has heard that they have been used without any problems. My only dilemma now is that the distributor only had 20l containers of the motorcycle oil at 110 euro[ch128513] so have to decide wether to risk the non JASO oil (although it is about half the price) |
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Title: Re: oil Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/07/15 at 15:27:23 If I'm right,, I THINK it was only in the last few years that Rotella T was actually tested and rated. They didn't change the oil to meet the standards, they had just never bothered to advertise as bike oil. The Kawasaki Bayou 250 forum, full of Rotella users. If it's good enough to keep big rig engines alive, it's good oil. Diesels run high compression, harsh loads inside, and a million miles isn't considered extreme. Someone posted a site that compares oils.. Bobtheoilguy or something,, Might be helpful, I dunno. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by tom3949 on 09/08/15 at 10:08:17 607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:
Here is the site: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ and I also came across this, which could be of interest: http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1912.0 |
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Title: Re: oil Post by verslagen1 on 09/08/15 at 10:24:22 been there, done that, not doing it again. bobisouroil.god We got our own oil thread (and wars) if you want to wade thru them. and if you want to wade thru theirs and summarize it would be appreciated. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by Dave on 09/08/15 at 11:56:28 6873712F2528251C0 wrote:
That should be fine. The guys in the know here seem to recommend anything between 1200 - 1800 ppm or even higher - but I am sure someone will come along to correct me if I am wrong on this. ;)[/quote] I can't remember where the oil test I read was found - but it was from a reliable source. Their results showed that anything over 1,400 ppm of ZDDP can cause wear to occur. As a result....I try to keep mine over 1,200 and under 1,400. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by Kris01 on 09/08/15 at 18:51:03 I'm with Dave on this one. I run ~1200 ppm. Anything more really is not good for the engine. Zinc is actually a metal and will eat through your bearings at higher concentrations. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by KennyG on 09/08/15 at 20:31:27 Are we still thinking that we should add an ounce of the Redline Additive to each oil change? Kenny G |
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Title: Re: oil Post by Dave on 09/09/15 at 03:13:58 654B406D5C4F5D462E0 wrote:
That is what I do. And when I go to use my Redline bottle there is always a white sludge on the bottom that can't be shaken off the bottom. I stand the bottle in my ultra-sonic cleaner with the heater turned on, and agitate and heat it for about 10 minutes.....then when I shake it the sludge goes back into solution. If you don't have the ultrasonic cleaner you might be able to put the bottle in a hot water bath and do the same thing. |
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Title: Re: oil Post by KennyG on 09/09/15 at 07:55:37 Dave, I have my bottle of Redline on my workbench and every time I use the work bench I shake the bottle and turn it end for end and repeat the process each time I use the workbench. I don't have an ultrasonic cleaner, so I will use the hot water bath. I changed oil yesterday and so far the there is no white sludge in the bottom of my six month old bottle. Incidentally Amazon has the T6 Rotella for less than $20.00. For rural folks Amazon is a lifesaver. http://www.amazon.com/Shell-Rotella-550019921-Synthetic-Diesel/dp/B005CHT4W6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1441810515&sr=8-1&keywords=Rotella+T6 Kenny G |
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