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Title: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by botticelli on 08/14/15 at 18:47:15 This was just way too awesome not to post. http://www.nightshiftbikes.com/savage http://elmoto.net/tell-us-about-your-project/2312-suzuki-savage-ryca-cs-1-ecafe.html |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by jcstokes on 08/14/15 at 19:33:31 Very impressive, but you still have to recharge at 100 miles. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by BSTON on 08/14/15 at 20:21:28 5059494E55515F493A0 wrote:
How often do you think that people with Savages actually ride more than 100 miles at a time? |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by scotnstl on 08/14/15 at 20:25:51 Every weekend if the weather is nice. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by bobert_FSO on 08/14/15 at 20:40:09 Why a Savage-based electric? With all the mods, it no longer looks like a Savage. It seems like it would be easier to start with some other motorcycle as your base vehicle. To me, the only real desirability of having a Savage is that it is a BIG THUMPER!. Without that, you just have a completely unremarkable motorcycle. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by verslagen1 on 08/14/15 at 21:05:52 1D0C0B10115F0 wrote:
How often do you think that people with Savages actually ride more than 100 miles at a time?[/quote] but you don't spend a couple hours charging up every 100 miles either. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/15 at 22:02:46 Maybe someone has a starter for sale. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by thumperclone on 08/14/15 at 22:44:59 that is not a savage |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by Dave on 08/15/15 at 04:03:05 646D7D7A61656B7D0E0 wrote:
Nope....you will have to recharge it twice as often....half as far! "The custom battery box protects 32 lithium ion batteries that provide 110V of current at 250 amps for what should be 100 mph and a range of 50 miles. We're at 60 mph at 50 amps so far. Upping to 250 amps should put the ton within easy reach." It is a cool hobby for somebody that likes tinkering, and only needs to get around town a little bit each day. Wonder how the thing likes to go in the rain without any fenders and all that electric gear? When he adds the other electric gear like the GPS and such....he should add a large woofer near the back that goes "THUMP, THUMP, THUMP at about 1,000 bpm, and a small tambourine up between your knees for a bit of valve train charisma! |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by botticelli on 08/15/15 at 19:59:13 It was an interesting project and clearly a lot was invested. Practical NO, but I'm not sure that's the point. Seems like something that would be fun to ride, maybe? I have a tesla and that kicks ass! But this is not eh tesla of the bike world for that check out Zero motorcycles or Brammo. I have driven both and a Zero is my next 2 wheels toy!!! |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by old_rider on 08/16/15 at 22:19:55 Still, experiments lead to final products..... although very interesting and well done, still not practical for most of us. When I ride around town, its usually between 20 and 30 miles, that's back and forth for groceries, pick up parts, or something for the house. Yeah I use it like a small truck (that's why the Harley tour pack on back), so this type of bike would be a no go for me. My weekend rides tend to go around 150 miles, some street, but most are long roads between towns. If I had the time and monies I would build a little "beach cruiser", that I would trailer to the beach and ride it up and down the little 15 mile stretch.... I just hope the day comes when "service stations" are no longer called "gas stations", but go back to servicing a persons vehicle. You know, like changing out the battery pack, for a recharged one that's ready to go in 10 min., and while they are at it, asking if you would like your window washed, or the bugs sprayed off your front grill. ahhhhh.....my utopia ... :D |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by BSTON on 08/17/15 at 09:21:39 4A594E4F505D5B59520D3C0 wrote:
How often do you think that people with Savages actually ride more than 100 miles at a time?[/quote] but you don't spend a couple hours charging up every 100 miles either.[/quote] The people on a specific motorcycle forum like this probably use their bikes way more than the average rider. Just a quick craigslist search near me (Milwaukee) has 127 bikes that are 2010 or older that have fewer than 4000 miles on them. The bike that I just picked up was a 2003 with only 3100 miles. The previous owner didn't put any miles on it in 4 years. An electric bike isn't going to work for a lot of riders. If it had a 100 mile range it would work for the majority of the riding that I'll probably be doing over the next couple years though. (short trips to work, store, going to meet up with friends, etc.) I for one am excited thinking about the instant torque and hopefully low maintenance of an electric bike. Now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder how insurance and licensing works on something like this. If you stick a high power electric motor in the frame from a 49cc moped, does it still get licensed as a moped? Do you just need insurance on something that is super low cc? |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by strang on 08/17/15 at 13:53:01 I stumbled over this a while ago and knew that it wouldn't get too many fans - I actually think it looks great and I would ride one in flash. The savage frame with its weird angles just fits with the terminator style battery electro bits. If it was cheap I would buy one tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by Dave on 08/17/15 at 18:23:43 For longer trips....couldn't I just have a small trailer mounted generator behind the bike? We were in Austoria in Oregon....and since they don't have the overhead electric wires that the trolley used originally - they had an enclosed diesel generator on a small rail car to provide the power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-_JdEslT98 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-_JdEslT98[/media] |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by chzeckmate on 08/17/15 at 19:45:31 477C7166777B60667D757867140 wrote:
;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by strang on 08/18/15 at 03:30:52 the Rebel version however is god awful |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by Sonny on 08/18/15 at 09:08:47 Kids do the darndest things... :D |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by verslagen1 on 08/18/15 at 11:32:02 Meanwhile... http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/victorys-electric-motorcycle-jumpstarts-market-ahead-of-harley.html/ |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by digitaltrucker on 08/18/15 at 11:47:30 So I read that article about the Victory lekky, and I come away with three main points: 1) For $20,000 you can roughly the same performance as a $5,000 S40. 2) Has somewhere around the same comfortable range but takes a LOT longer to 'fill the tank'. 3) Yeh, it's 'greener' I guess; except that production of the components is harsher on the environment than the old tech of a Savage and the electricity STILL has to come from somewhere (and sorry, but solar and wind aren't a reliable always-on option). I'll keep my Sav. Lekkys are fun toys, that's about it. The sad part is that the three points above apply to pretty much any electric vehicle on the market today. Until you can recharge a battery in the time it takes to fill a tank they'll never be truly practical. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by Dave on 08/18/15 at 12:13:15 As someone mentioned earlier......the ability to exchange a used battery for a charged one would be a way to make the electric vehicles more practical. I worked at a meat processing plant around 1975, and we had battery operated fork lifts. The fork lifts were plugged into the chargers when we arrived at work - but not all were fully charged or had fresh batteries. We just went and got our battery exchanged when the things went dead. The problem is that the batteries in most of these new vehicles are buried deep inside the car, and not easy to replace. If I lived in a small downtown area, was close to the things I needed, and didn't have to travel far I would consider an electric vehicle. I would also seriously consider a bicycle. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by Sonny on 08/18/15 at 12:29:14 7F727C726F7A776F696E78707E691B0 wrote:
Can't help but agree with this. The transportation fleet will end up electric hopefully sooner rather than later. But it's going to take some more big leaps in battery design and in renewables or otherwise zero-carbon base power generation before the desirable effects are realized. That said, if you ever get a chance to try someone's Chevy Volt, don't miss the opportunity. From a stop, those things pull like stink! Wahoo! I reckon the Tesla 2 seater is even stronger. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by old_rider on 08/18/15 at 20:43:01 Dave's idea on a trailer, has tons of merit. There are small lightweight trailers that can hold up to 300lbs. So a small generator (I have a harbor freight 800 watt) that can charge a large battery pack in the same trailer, would extend the mileage to get you were you wanted to go. Sounds like a good experiment, perhaps I will do this... I am in no way an electrical genius, but I know a couple of guys that would find this idea interesting at least. Not sure how the law would work about towing a trailer with a running generator, even if it was small. The idea would be to use the trailer with "battery back up" for long trips. Heck you could probably put the batteries in the bottom and some storage for luggage/tools/tent, on top. I have a motorcycle tow behind, however it is for larger bikes, I don't think the savage would pull it, fully loaded. And of course you would have to have good brakes.... unless you used the battery back up for electric brakes..... hmmmmmmm..... |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by Violent_Rage on 08/19/15 at 00:27:19 The most interesting thing is the rear disc brake! 8-) |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by jcstokes on 08/19/15 at 00:47:38 I saw a video of a battery change on a Tesla, it was slightly quicker than filling about a 15 US gallon tank from empty. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by gizzo on 08/19/15 at 01:08:14 6A515C4B5A564D4B5058554A390 wrote:
I think you're taking the piss now.... ;D I hope so. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by Sonny on 08/19/15 at 02:02:03 I am thinking, you're going have a perfectly good 650cc gas engine that you took out of the bike lying around anyway, so mount that on the trailer, driving a generator to charge your batteries, and then... here's the genius... hitch a second trailer behind that one, with a large gasoline tank on it to feed the 650cc generator engine. You'd have a hitch on the back of that tanker trailer, too, to attach additional trailers for luggage, spare parts, tools... People would see you rolling down the street and just be astonished... ;D |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by Sonny on 08/19/15 at 02:28:13 ... as silly as this sounds, and is, for a motorcycle: if you think about it, it is the way diesel/electric locomotives work. Direct electric drive on the wheels has advantages sufficient to warrant a massive internal combustion engine and fuel supply to spin a generator to drive the electric motors down in the wheel trucks. You don't even bother with batteries, except to start the diesel engine. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by Dave on 08/19/15 at 04:20:48 On that electric bike website.....the ZERO has headlights mounted sideways. Evidently he doesn't understand how beam spread pattern functions. The disc rear brake on the Savage conversion is possible as he has an electric motor for a rear hub. He doesn't have to deal with our drive hub and belt. You aren't going to be able to use an 800 watt generator to keep up with the power used at speed. If you figure that most 250 cc single cylinder motorcycles can go about 60 mph tops, and that the Honda Rebel is listed as 16.1 HP....you are going to need a generator at least that big to keep up a steady pace. And when you add the weight of the trailer and generator.....it is going to take a bit more power to pull them. When you stop for rest breaks the generator could keep running to charge the batteries and catch up. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by botticelli on 08/20/15 at 12:26:29 I disagree. I do think EV's are practical. Well for me anyways. I drive a Tesla P85 Model S and with varied driving and the AC on I get about 250miles to the charge. Frequently I will head into town (Boston) and when parked in Boston in EV spots charging is free. I usually charge once a week, for free. When I travel for work, I park and charge at the airport, FREE. It takes about 30 minutes for an 170miles charge on a supercharger, all over the country and also free. 40 minutes to 80% battery and about 75minutes for a full charge. I use these on road trips to see the family in PA. I leave the house with a full charge. The total trip is about 350 miles. I usually stop for once for 30 minutes. I stop, plug in. Go the bathroom, grab a snack, and a coffee. use my phone for a few, and I'm off. I do this trip maybe 3x a year. Lets say your stranded, or at a non EV friendly location. I have included a chart that shows the charging rates for regular standard outlets. While slow, it works. The cable for plugging into these outlets is included with the car. As a test, I plugged into an outlet(regular) for about 12 hours and got 50-60 miles of charge. Seeing as my average day of commuting is 15miles each way, I can charge my daily commute overnight just like my cell phone. Now, I don't have another car, I do have the savage and a pedal bike, and some other toys, but this is my only vehicle. Its really nice, NEVER stopping for gas.... well except for the savage Its not for everyone, but EV's the Tesla in particular, is more practical than most realize. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by Dave on 08/20/15 at 13:03:20 Seriously......You are going to try and convince me that a $ 100,000 car is practical? We obviously are not in the same tax bracket. I drive a 2006 Pontiac Vibe that I paid $ 16,000 for, and I get 32 mpg. It has 102,000 miles on it, and most likely I will be driving it for another 100,000 or more miles if things go as planned. With the money I saved by not buying a Tesla, and if gas stays under $ 3.00 a gallon.......I saved enough money to buy gas for a 672,000 mile trip! |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by Sonny on 08/20/15 at 13:19:30 Except for the Volt (with internal combustion backup), the Tesla is the most flexible / capable EV... if it fits your lifestyle and you can afford the sticker price. I hear it's an awesome, fun car. And people who can subsidize these new technologies early, by paying a premium, are paving the way for the rest of us. For that, I tip my hat. Even the cheap 90 - 100mi range Leaf is great if it works for you. But I'm where you are, Dave: 2005 Sentra, cost me $10k in 2006, a fleet sale car from Enterprise Rent a Car with 4K miles on it, mint... now with 90K on it, still like new, 34mpg average. The "right car" is where you find it. |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by botticelli on 08/20/15 at 21:48:24 Maybe... My Tesla ran me 65K out the door. I don't pay for gas, and have only charged 4 times at home(read paid for electric) in the past 18 months. day to day, The car costs me as close to nothing as a car can. Up front cost is high, and I'm sure it would suck if you did not frequent areas with free charging, but for me it is a really really cheap car to own. If I have this car for say 8 years total (two years last month) and almost never pay to charge it it will average out to 8K a year. Now before this I had a 2003 Porsche 911 C4S (purchased new) and that car is the essence of not practical. Pig on premium gas, HUGE and I mean HUGE maintenance costs and a set of $1250 tires every year. No room for people or stuff, allergic to speed bumps and pot holes. Don't get me wrong but for your only car in Boston, there are better choices, and for me the Tesla was one of them. So practical compared to your civic, vibe, subaru wagon..... NO but compared to other cars in my "tax bracket" and with similar performance and features to my past vehicles, I think its one of the best. Its also an awesome conversation starter..... case in point (If I make the dragon run next year, I will tow the bike down with the Tesla so you all can fall in love too!) |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by Rylee on 08/20/15 at 22:41:26 And a small tambourine up between your knees for a bit of valve train charisma! @Dave I think that is by far the best comparison to valve train noise on a savage I have heard to date! |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by Sonny on 08/20/15 at 22:52:10 The final valve noise control is rider leg position. Knees snug against tank: valve noise low, confidence high. Knees progressively spread: increasing noise, increasing concern over need for valve adjustment, cam chain tensioner status. Correct position: knees gently against tank, attention focused on riding conditions. ;) |
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Title: Re: 100% Electric Savage Build Post by BSTON on 08/21/15 at 09:25:26 1F24293E2F23383E252D203F4C0 wrote:
Maybe it's because I'm a car person but I think that practicality in this sense has less to do with the price of the car and more to do with how usable it is on a daily basis. I'd compare it to saying that a Miata is practical because I can pick one up for about $3k, drive it for a couple years, and still sell it for $3k. Is it cheap? Yes. Is it practical if I have a wife, two kids in car seat, and a dog that I need to take road trips with? No. I for one would take a Tesla in a heartbeat but they are still just a bit out of my price range. My wife and I will probably be trying our hardest to be first on the list for the model 3 when it comes out. We carpool about 15 miles each way for work, dropping off our kids at school on the way so an EV would probably be perfect for us. We have two cars anyway so we would just keep the Subaru Outback for the road trips. |
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