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Title: 'weapon' Post by MnSpring on 08/12/15 at 18:35:00 A ‘Weapon” ( in describing a Firearm or a Gun) Is NOT, a ‘Weapon”, (Unless it has been used as one) A Screwdriver, a Hammer, a Wrench, a Tire Iron, A Baseball Bat, A Golf Club, etc. are NOT, 'Weapons’, And are, NOT, described as one. (Unless they are used as one). The above, ’tools’ or, ’Sporting goods’, are never described as a ‘weapons’. (Unless they have been specifically used as one) Their are times, when a firearm, Is, described as a ‘weapon’. And those are very specific times. Such as a Soldier, talking to another Soldier, about a firearm they have been issued. Or a Police Officer, talking to another, Police Officer, about the firearm they carry. Or a Attorney, in a Court of law, talking about a firearm, that was USED, as a, ‘weapon’. Which the word, ‘Weapon’ would, also apply to; A Screwdriver, a Hammer, a Wrench, a Tire Iron, A Baseball Bat, A Golf Club, etc. If used in that manner. So a Firearm or Gun, is NOT, a, ‘Weapon’. In fact 99.99% of Firearms, or guns, are NOT,’ Weapons’. So Why, ’say’ they are ? Because the, Ultra-Liberal, is, 'moving', you to say it. If you have a 'Carry Permit', Look what it says. It probably says, 'Pistol', So does that mean, (By Absolute Letter of the Law), One can, NOT, carry a, 'revolver' ? Then take it one step further, and LOOK, at the Actual LAW. Your Eyes will OPEN ! A Handgun, carried for self defense/protection, is NOT, a , Weapon, ONLY, until, After it is used in such a 'defense'. could it be called such. Calling a, 'firearm', a, 'Weapon', Is, Pandering to the, 'Ultra-Liberals', Who say: "Look Their are caring, WEAPONS". Or, it is the big, (Swinging thing), syndrome. I do NOT, carry a, 'weapon', I carry a, 'firearm'. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/12/15 at 18:48:35 SOOOO, MY thingy is just a thingy if I just pee through it, but becomes a thingy if I use it to rape? I'm sooo confused.. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/12/15 at 18:50:00 You're protected from real thought by software. Don't you feel FREE? |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/12/15 at 18:54:52 Wait, maybe I meant your.. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/12/15 at 18:59:54 "Look Their are caring, WEAPONS". Really? That's supposed to be a sentence? |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by MnSpring on 08/12/15 at 19:17:35 67787E7964635262526A78743F0D0 wrote:
Well, I am not a, ‘Book’ Writer. Nor am I a, ‘Professional’ writer. But I think, most people GET, the Point ! As to, “ … Really? That’s supposed to be a sentence? …” Don’t care ! Just like the 12 years who wright: “ I m y a 4 4y, bt” I Think my point, (May not be, ‘perfectly’, correct), But the information, in that, ( ‘perfectly’, NOT correct), statement. Can be be, understood, by most people. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/12/15 at 19:37:29 Words speak |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Kris01 on 08/12/15 at 19:38:12 I am definitely not ultra-liberal but I consider a firearm a weapon. Are you saying that's a bad term? I mean, a motorcycle can be a weapon. Is it considered a weapon? No. Firearms were originally invented to kill, whether for hunting or otherwise. I doubt anyone was just target shooting hundreds of years ago. Regardless, I own several weapons/firearms. The term "weapon" doesn't bother me. Am I missing your point? :-? |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/12/15 at 19:43:46 Best I can see, it's a fine point. Like, Can't call a brain a brain till it's used to form a thought.... |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by old.indian on 08/12/15 at 20:44:44 ;D ;D ;D ;D There are times when reading the post on this forum that all I want to do is point and giggle.......... |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by thumperclone on 08/12/15 at 21:58:21 292A22682F28222F2728460 wrote:
giggle ell cry for the insane |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by thumperclone on 08/12/15 at 22:01:14 292A22682F28222F2728460 wrote:
giggle ell cry for the insane if an of you takes this as personal it just proves my(un fortified by other opinions)point :o |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by MnSpring on 08/13/15 at 09:30:17 The word, ‘Fetus’, and, ‘Baby’. Can describe the same thing. Yet one group uses, ‘Fetus’, another group uses, ‘Baby’. If you are Pro-Life, you are, NOT, going to use the term: ‘Fetus’ to describe, human parts. If you are Pro-Choice, you are, NOT, going to use the word: ‘Baby’, to describe, human parts. The word, ‘Firearm’ & ‘Weapon’, can mean the same thing. Yet, for most people, (especially the people, who VOTE, and spend little time, with a Firearm) The word: “Firearm”, is generally thought of as a, “Defensive’, item. Where the word: ‘Weapon’, is generally thought of as a, “Offensive”, item. So when, campaigning, (a group, that wants to take your, Freedom, away), can say: “ Look even, ‘they’, call it a, Weapon’.” So the people , who VOTE, and spend little time, with a Firearm, (most of them will) Say: “ Oh Gosh, no one needs a, ‘Weapon’ “, Then, Vote. Quote:
Me either. 'When in the company of other ‘gun nuts’. Just like, (with the same group of people), someone says, ‘auto’, everyone in that group, knows they are referring to a ’Semi-Auto’, firearm. If they meant a firearm, (that is Highly Regulated, since 1934, and NOT easily made, as the press would have you believe), Which is a, ‘fully- automatic’. Then, they will say that word. Be, very careful, where you, 'Point', the word, 'weapon'. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Serowbot on 08/13/15 at 10:57:24 A firearm goes "boom"... a gun, knife, bow, or club is a weapon...even a pen... Weapon, is a more general term...it's just something that can be used for violence... A fetus, is an unborn mammal, including human... technically it's not even a fetus until 8 weeks development... (before that is just a fertilized egg)... |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by HovisPresley on 08/13/15 at 13:16:32 4553445941545942360 wrote:
.......................................................... The primary function of a gun/firearm is to kill. It is a weapon. For instance, (SWAT teams use assault rifles, sniper rifles, SMGs, shotguns, etc. A baby is only a 'baby' when it is born (as Serow said). Before that it's a foetus, embryo, zygote, etc. These are medical/scientific terms. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by MnSpring on 08/13/15 at 17:48:21 5741564B53464B50240 wrote:
OK, next time I am in a 'public' place, and I need a pen. I'll just ask for a, 'weapon', instead. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Serowbot on 08/13/15 at 18:43:42 "The pen is mightier than the sword"... It means words can be used as weapons... ...besides,... 007 could kill you with one... ;D... |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by pg on 08/13/15 at 18:46:58 Here, this should help differentiate. :-? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U[/media] Best regards, |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Sonny on 08/14/15 at 01:05:06 I can usually make out what someone is saying despite spelling, punctuation and grammar errors. But not always. The purpose of those things is clarity of communication, and the original post on this thread was not clear. Webster's online dictionary says "weapon" means: : something (such as a gun, knife, club, or bomb) that is used for fighting or attacking someone or for defending yourself when someone is attacking you : something (such as a skill, idea, or tool) that is used to win a contest or achieve something *** Anything handy can potentially be used as a weapon. But a screwdriver is for turning screws and a pencil is for writing. Its intended purpose is not for use as a weapon. A firearm's intended purpose is for use as a weapon. It can be used to punch holes in paper or tin cans, and can even be used to hammer a nail, but its purpose is for use as a weapon. That is why firearms are called weapons. Liberals and conservatives both recognize the value of weapons and use them... whether in war, law enforcement, hunting, commission of crimes, or in self defense. Hopefully this cleared up some confusion. ::) |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by HovisPresley on 08/14/15 at 02:57:32 "Yes, as through this world I've wandered I've seen lots of funny men; Some will rob you with a six-gun And some with a fountain pen." Woody Guthrie |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by WebsterMark on 08/14/15 at 06:52:32 Sew and Hovis have answered your question, inadvertently no doubt. A baby is a baby immediately. A fertilized egg has one purpose, to grow and survive until death. Anyone reading this was a fertilized egg at one point and you've survived long enough to read this. Fetus is a scientific term but so is adolescent, adult etc... Calling something different terms to appease cowards is not a solution. The point to all this is a gun is a weapon as soon as it's made. It's purpose is to fire a bullet. I've used guns as hammers, paperweights and decoration but they are made for one thing and regardless if it's hammering in a tent stake or keeping my paper plate from flying off (can you tell I just got back from camping?!) it's always a weapon and will always be a weapon. Don't shy away from what it is: it's a gun meant to fire a bullet, primarily at something living. The reason why that's important is to always argue with facts. A gun is a weapon and the 2nd amendment is not to protect the right of sportsmen to plink beer cans in the woods with a .22. It is to provide citizens the capability to rebel against an obtrusive government bent on enslaving it's citizens. You have a right to own your weapon. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by HovisPresley on 08/14/15 at 07:30:53 Concerning guns as weapons, I actually agree with WMark. :o Yes folks, you read that correctly. ;D I have to ask why WMark uses the word 'inadvertently', though. It's anything but inadvertent....time to dig out Webster's dictionary.... The stuff about babies is nonsense, however, as biology says otherwise, and biology cannot be Pro-life or Pro-choice ;) |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Serowbot on 08/14/15 at 08:05:01 If you have some sugar, flour, yeast, eggs, and frosting,... you don't have a cake... You gotta' bake it... Then,.. it's a cake... And now,... I'm hungry... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by MnSpring on 08/14/15 at 08:39:48 3026312C34212C37430 wrote:
Very interesting analogy. One, loads a gun. One holsters a gun. One carries a gun. (Hey, it just, 'parts', of a cake) When it is, fired, in, offense/defense, then, it is 'baked' |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by MnSpring on 08/14/15 at 08:41:05 I’ll try this one more time. While it is perfectly OK, to say Hi, to your friend Jack. You don’t do it, mid flight, in a airplane. While describing, a friend of yours, who is Always Happy, Always a Smile on his face, Always has a up-lifting attitude. You do not say, ‘He is Gay’. When in a crowded place, you do NOT, say the word, ‘Fire’. So when, in a place, were it’s most likely, A Anti-gunner, or someone who has not made up their mind yet, can overhear you. You do NOT, call a firearm a, ‘Weapon'. Let’s say, you were a, ‘Pro-Choice’ person. And referred to a, ‘embryo’, ‘fetus’, ‘group of cells’, as a, “Baby”. You would be, Very Quickly, ’schooled’, to, NOT, say; “Baby”. This, (‘rant’ you may say). Is NOT about, when a gun was invented, nor why it was invented, or how Criminals use one. It is NOT, about, ‘when’, human cells, become a, ‘ Human Baby’. It is about the, ‘perception’, the average person VOTING, has. Gun = Defense Weapon = Offense. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by WebsterMark on 08/14/15 at 08:47:31 you're right, biology does not take sides. But biology says a fertilized egg is a life form by any biological definition. People, who wish to end that life for their own convenience, do take sides and call it other names that while they are descriptive, do not change the fact that it is a lifeform. I wish you pro-death cowards would just have the ball$ to call it what it is and argue your position honestly and not hide behind words to make your position more acceptable. Just say it; you think it's moraly acceptable to end the life of an unborn baby if the mother so chooses to do so. Just say it. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Serowbot on 08/14/15 at 09:19:55 You just want different words... It is morally acceptable to me, that a mother can decide to end the life of her unborn baby... Now,... is it your moral right to supersede her moral choice?... The law, and the Constitution say no... History says no... ...and the Bible is totally vague on the issue... ... but that's a non-issue... because America doesn't require that you be Christian, or even believe in any god... The old saying,.. "Your rights end, at the tip of my nose"... would limit your right to control a woman's uterus against her will... ...(that's way past her nose)... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Paraquat on 08/14/15 at 09:24:01 As an individual, I'm removed from this because I'm not a breeder and I DGAF either way... but are you (no one in particular, but let's say pro-lifer's as a whole) SO very egregiously offended that someone else decides to terminate their baby that it some how comes back and affects you (the pro-lifer)? --Steve |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by WebsterMark on 08/14/15 at 10:19:30 You just want different words... It is morally acceptable to me, that a mother can decide to end the life of her unborn baby... Now,... is it your moral right to supersede her moral choice?... Thank you! Finally someone with balls! To answer your question; yes, it is my moral right to supersede her choce to kill that baby. Now that we've got that out of the way, the 2nd amendment might be poorly worded, but the meaning behind it was not ambiguous to the framers. In other writings, they were clear what they meant by the purpose. So carry your weapon MnSpring. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by HovisPresley on 08/14/15 at 11:54:00 3.6 billion womens' rights are superceded by one man's view on a subject that he can never experience himself. Not really being humble, is it? ;D |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Sonny on 08/14/15 at 12:03:03 Yeah, see, we're still going round and round about the meaning of words -- first "weapon", now "baby". The point of my earlier post is that language has to define things for the people speaking and listening or it's just noise and confusion -- a Tower of Babel. That's why punctuation and grammar exist and that's why dictionaries exist: so we can have a common understanding about what human mouth noises and little written shapes on paper mean, and thus communicate. All our differences in political ideas are being polluted and made intractable by this disagreement about what words mean. This is the doing of propagandists, who might as well also be called "confusers". The result is, people are not communicating. This situation benefits propagandists, but everyone else is getting screwed over and our politics is getting screwed over. We all need to be aware that this situation is harmful and try to get the meaning of words straight. Then we can solve problems and not just misunderstand one another. The sequence of events has to be: (1) agree what words mean, and (2) then use them to communicate. Mn wants to decide on his own that a firearm is only a weapon after it has been used as a weapon, and that any other use of the word shows anti-gun bias. But that is not the meaning of "weapon". "Weapon" isn't a narrower idea than he wants it to be; it is a much [i]broader[i] idea. That's the definition of the word in the English language. Nothing to rail against or even disagree about. The same goes for "baby" here, obviously. Merriam-Webster defines the word so we can agree for the purpose of communication: 1a (1) : an extremely young child; especially : infant (2) : an extremely young animal b : the youngest of a group 2a : one that is like a baby (as in behavior) b : something that is one's special responsibility, achievement, or interest That is why we use terms like zygote, embryo, or fetus to describe a different thing than a baby. Blow off the meaning of words and suddenly you are not eating a bowl of cereal... you are a cowardly criminal mass murderer of future wheat plants. Propaganda in da house, folks... We need look no further than this discussion board to see the importance of rigor in the use of language. All of the tips and tricks and descriptions of fixes and mods are examples of technical writing, the goal of which is to say something very specific and not subject to confusion or misunderstanding. The definition of words has to be tightly adhered to, otherwise the communication isn't useful and can even be harmful. Technical writing is a challenge. It takes education and effort. Some folks have a knack for it and some don't. But not caring and being sloppy and willful in the use of language has consequences... all bad. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Kris01 on 08/14/15 at 12:20:22 Sloppy in the use of language? You ought to hear some of the things that pass as normal around here (my neck of the woods)! :D |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by WebsterMark on 08/14/15 at 12:22:36 577069766C4F6D7A6C737A661F0 wrote:
not true, many women agree with me. also, if 50% of the babies got a vote if they would rather live or be the outcome of a choice, 100% would agree with me top. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Serowbot on 08/14/15 at 12:39:54 Excellent post, Sonny... ;)... Web,.. if they were old enough to vote, this wouldn't be an issue... ;D... |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Sonny on 08/14/15 at 12:44:55 162F342E6D6C5D0 wrote:
Yeah, well, Texas has got it goin' on too. Tennessee and Texas are kinda like Meccas for this kind of nonsense and language abuse. But so is most of America... I'd wave a magic wand, but I can't get anybody to agree on the meaning of "wave" and "wand..." :-/ |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Serowbot on 08/14/15 at 12:50:55 Another word to consider the meaning of,.. is socialism... Bernie Sanders is talking about this lot. Socialism is "basically just sharing"- Russell Brand... ..or not quite,... but it is a system that recognizes the value of all citizens and not just the rich ones... Letting the wealthy control everything just ain't workin' out... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/15 at 13:05:40 Great, now my posts are spam, again. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/15 at 13:35:41 7E5D6043415A5D54330 wrote:
OK, next time I am in a 'public' place, and I need a pen. I'll just ask for a, 'weapon', instead.[/quote] Not all weapons are pens, but pretending a pen can't be used as a weapon has never held a Bic pen in a closed fist with the point poking out between the fingers with the other end in the palm. A punch delivered would insert the pen. A paper weight, a vase, a chain, so many things CAN be used as a weapon,, very few guns make a good pen, though can be used to express an idea, |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Sonny on 08/14/15 at 13:54:41 "You can pry my Harbor Freight 1/2" drive 24" chrome vanadium breaker bar out of my cold, dead hands!"..., said with a Charlton Heston Moses accent... ;D I've never used it as a weapon and don't intend to, but my oh my, it is still a heckuva weapon! |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Sonny on 08/14/15 at 14:24:59 I think this is what Mnspring was trying to argue, albeit erroneously. Things made to do some other job aren't really weapons unless they happen to be used as weapons. Not so for firearms. They are purpose-built weapons, just like billy clubs, nunchucks, brass knuckles, what have you. It is correct to call them weapons. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by HovisPresley on 08/14/15 at 16:46:57 342B2D2A3730013101392B276C5E0 wrote:
Me and you both..... |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by HovisPresley on 08/14/15 at 16:49:58 Quick reply, hoping it's not spam; WMark 1 Women 3.5 billion. That's not a bad score! |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/15 at 17:12:28 Did women win? I'm thinking babies lost, society lost. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by HovisPresley on 08/14/15 at 17:25:21 353,000 born per day, the babies haven't lost, perhaps |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/15 at 17:32:24 02253C23391A382F39262F334A0 wrote:
Someone did. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by WebsterMark on 08/14/15 at 18:18:12 0E29302F35163423352A233F460 wrote:
The dead ones did. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Serowbot on 08/14/15 at 18:36:02 I should invest in Huggies.... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/15 at 18:54:38 Your side clearly has the moral high ground. Such an exhibition of feeling, such caring for humanity. How liberal. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by HovisPresley on 08/14/15 at 20:48:27 340601101706112E021108630 wrote:
The dead ones did.[/quote] ............................................. No, they are the living, breathing three quarters of a million |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Serowbot on 08/14/15 at 22:44:07 Nobody thinks abortion is a good thing,... some of us, just don't feel right about judging too harshly, when we don't have the right equipment to relate... It's a fact of nature that women carry that burden... They have their own conscience, and beliefs, and all those hormonal signals that tell them what is right or wrong... The decision is beyond my comprehension... I leave it to them to decide... If you choose a woman that is compatible with your ideology, or if you can make a woman feel secure enough to allay her misgivings... You will never be affected by her right to abort... You can persuade, promise, assure, beg, plead, or pray... But you can't decide... She gets the choice... All those crazy hormones inside her, are not just incubating,... they are building something inside her... and should be forming some lifelong bond... If they don't feel that it's right,... I think they instinctively know... Maybe not... I don't know... I just can't judge... I can't even understand why they get angry at me... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by thumperclone on 08/14/15 at 22:53:10 2A353334292E1F2F1F27353972400 wrote:
still ::) |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Paraquat on 08/15/15 at 04:08:24 Bravo, Sonny. --Steve |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by WebsterMark on 08/15/15 at 06:20:28 The same goes for "baby" here, obviously. Merriam-Webster defines the word so we can agree for the purpose of communication: 1a (1) : an extremely young child; especially : infant (2) : an extremely young animal b : the youngest of a group 2a : one that is like a baby (as in behavior) b : something that is one's special responsibility, achievement, or interest That is why we use terms like zygote, embryo, or fetus to describe a different thing than a baby. No. We are not robots, we are not animals. Those terms are used to describe various stages of growth. They are valuable and legitimate, I'm not questioning that, but they are descriptions of an unborn baby. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/15/15 at 06:40:23 Infant, toddler, adolescent, teen, |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Serowbot on 08/15/15 at 07:09:26 427077666170675874677E150 wrote:
Then you shouldn't have an issue when I call a fetus, a fetus... or an egg, an egg, or an embryo, an embryo... Same as if I call a teen, a teen... or an ol' fart, an ol' fart... There is no denial here... Just using accurate terms... The inaccuracy is in calling a cluster of cells, a baby... It will, barring miscarriage, eventually become a baby, but it isn't one yet... Just as a toddler isn't a teen yet... ... and I refuse to become an ol' fart... ever... not happenin'... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by WebsterMark on 08/15/15 at 09:44:01 Bottom line to all this is I have the moral high ground. My way, people live. Your way, people die. but moving on and back to the weapons issue since I hijacked this thread, I watch the Last of the Mohicans last night on TV. The issue of armed militia is a central topic in that book/movie. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Sonny on 08/15/15 at 10:00:16 I am trying to post a reply but the BB software won't let me. The mods are working on it. |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by WebsterMark on 08/15/15 at 10:56:22 Just tell me I'm right and everything will work fine! :) |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by WebsterMark on 08/15/15 at 11:09:37 can't resist this: just read a headline, illegal immigrant arrested for murdering 4 people, 3 adults and 1 unborn chilld. I guess some of you would say 3 murder charges and one unauthorized abortion! |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by old.indian on 08/15/15 at 14:26:14 ;D ;D ;D ;D :o Why is it that every posting on this forum rapidly descends into a political "discussion"(if that's the term) of Roe vs. Wade. I swear to Ralph that if I posted that I took the Thumper out for a cup of coffee and a piece of Fresh Peach pie, I'd be called out as a left wing, pinko, baby killer (No wait, that was what they called me in '67 after I got back from 'nam) and Un-American (with various rude comments regarding my personal hygiene habits too) 'cause I didn't have Apple pie instead.... |
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Title: Re: 'weapon' Post by Sonny on 08/15/15 at 14:56:32 Seems like ideologues gotta be ideologues 24/7, to keep the implausible card house propped up. Maintaining confirmation bias is a full time job. Then too, bluster and insult is a sport for some. I generally find it draining and unproductive. The challenge is to remember it is just noise, and resist the temptation to punch the tarbaby. Better to keep your powder dry and your voter reg. current... "Pick your fights," ma daddy used to say... 8-) This tall table is here to keep the political harping off the motorcycle sections... a good idea. I am fairly new here, but I like my Rubber Side Down and Tech rooms better. Those are places where all can come together and show good will. |
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