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Title: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by rolavine on 08/12/15 at 18:33:20 If I don't up the shift lever hard enough going from 4th to 5th, I can get a neutral. Is this normal? I've learned not to hit it, but? |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by Dave on 08/12/15 at 18:55:34 Is the shift linkage bolt tight at the engine shaft? Have you taken apart the shift lever at the front and cleaned and greased the bushings? |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by Kris01 on 08/12/15 at 19:28:13 Nope, definitely not normal. It should engage smoothly. Like Dave said... |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by KennyG on 08/12/15 at 20:00:07 Rolavine, How fast are you going when you attempt your shift from 4th to 5th gear? Kenny G |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by verslagen1 on 08/12/15 at 20:04:19 yes, there is but you have to be trying or too timid in shifting to get it. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/12/15 at 20:30:27 Like failing to offer an auto pistol a secure mount, limp wristng, No room for In Between Go all in.. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by rolavine on 08/13/15 at 01:16:04 5D4E5958474A4C4E451A2B0 wrote:
So, you say yes and others say no. You seem to be the technical wizard on these beasts, so thanks. I've already learned to shift a bit harder going to 5th and it never does it then. I have not Done as Dave Suggested but it sounds easy enough, I'll do it, and examine the shift linkage while I'm at it. Kenny, I'm going about 40 to 50 when I make that shift. Thanks for the help, I'm not going to worry about it. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/13/15 at 08:04:04 I agreed with Versy. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by KennyG on 08/13/15 at 08:12:53 Rolavine, I notice on my bike that the faster I am going the easier the shift is from 4th to 5th gear. After 50 MPH it is butter smooth and I cannot feel the space or neutral between the gears. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by verslagen1 on 08/13/15 at 08:42:39 332E2D2037282F24410 wrote:
I think it's something most people go thru. You know stomping on it will getRdone at a price of bent dogs. So what's the gentlest I can do it. Then you know what's too gentle and what's just right. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/13/15 at 09:01:23 Quick and firm, no sledgehammer needed, I ran through the gears, from second to fifth and back down countless times without even touching the clutch. Just using the gas and ankle , timed right.. The jump between first and second is too big to do clutchless. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by Dave on 08/13/15 at 09:06:38 Over time you learn what your bike likes...and doesn't like. Over the last couple of years I have begun to have a feel for the location of neutral......and my foot can tell when the shift I just made from 2nd gear down has stopped at neutral. I then can just let out the clutch and put my foot down to wait for my turn to go. I have also developed a feel for what to do with the throttle while shifting or decelerating to keep the engine from backfiring....keeping the throttle open just a tad will stop most of the noise. And at those really quick stops I can keep the engine from stalling if I can remember to roll on the throttle a little bit while pulling in the clutch lever and getting on the brakes hard.....and maybe even pushing the horn button at the same time! |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by norcalscot on 08/13/15 at 09:28:32 noob rider here - I too find the shift from 4th to 5th difficult on my S40. All other gear shifts (up and down) are fine, but that one shift can be problematic for me. It seems easier the higher my speed is, but sometimes I just don't seem to be able to get her up to 5th... |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by rolavine on 08/13/15 at 11:07:36 2F2E3322202D32222E35410 wrote:
So, what went through your mind while using the phrase, "get her up"? |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by verslagen1 on 08/13/15 at 12:21:02 If your technique is a little wonkie, there'll be little hitches all throughout the pattern. Almost like it's not cooperating. but stroke her the right way... best shift technique for me is a little up pressure before squeezing the lever. a little squeeze and drop the throttle, the lever will jump into the next gear w/out fighting it. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by norcalscot on 08/13/15 at 13:51:35 233E3D3027383F34510 wrote:
So, what went through your mind while using the phrase, "get her up"? [/quote] There just seems to be more friction/resistance on the up-shift from 4th to 5th, than I experience in any other gear. The only way I can describe it is that the shift feels "notched" - like there's some slight obstruction part way through the shift that needs to be pushed passed to get her into 5th. Applying more pressure usually works, but every now and again no matter how much pressure I apply upwards I can't get the shift to happen. Looking at Verslagen's suggestion I realize I haven't tried applying pressure before pulling in the clutch. I didn't do that as I assumed I might accidentally shift without the clutch, and I don't want to do that. I'll give that a go and see how I get on... |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by GridMonkey on 08/13/15 at 14:00:22 I've had this happen a few times, it seems to only happen when im a bit low on the oil for me, I never did the plug fix, so it might be worth looking at that. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by verslagen1 on 08/13/15 at 15:23:14 2F2E3322202D32222E35410 wrote:
Yes, that happens sometimes, the trick is when to start applying pressure, slipping the clutch, and dropping the throttle. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by jcstokes on 08/13/15 at 16:00:24 I've had that "notched" feeling but it's never bothered me, I just move up past the "notch" with no trouble and I've done just under 30000 miles on the bike. Must try and remember to try Versy's idea. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by Volpstar on 08/13/15 at 22:43:07 6B7675786F70777C190 wrote:
Could this be your problem? My bike definitely does not like being in such high gears at so low speeds. I'm usually still in 3rd gear up until 50-55, then 4th until 70, then 5th above that. I've never run into a "false neutral" between 4th and 5th, and I'm fairly soft on my shifting. I do make sure to pull or push the lever through its full range of motion before letting go though. So perhaps that's the difference. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by Kris01 on 08/14/15 at 11:00:48 Wow! I'm in 5th at about 40-45 and the bike thanks me for it. 3rd gear at 50 mph and I don't think she would speak to me ever again! There's a short stretch of highway near my house that's only 30 mph. I do it in 3rd gear. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by Tocsik on 08/14/15 at 15:30:52 Sounds like you might be bogging the bike. Stay in 3rd until 50mph or so and don't go to 5th unless you're cruising on the highway or going over 65. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by Kris01 on 08/15/15 at 08:32:29 She runs smooth as glass at 30 in 3rd gear and 40 in 5th. No chugging or sputtering. You shouldn't have to pull 3rd gear to 55. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by tvargy on 08/21/15 at 08:33:01 I had a false neutral also. Turned out that my clutch lever mounting hole was to large. I reamed the hole out and installed a bushing to reduce the play. Solved the problem. Shifts smooth as cream cheese spread on a bagel. Must be a previous owner had it apart and lost a piece. Not sure but lever was really sloppy and must have had poor engagement at times. |
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Title: Re: False neutral between 4th and 5th Post by Mekh on 08/21/15 at 11:29:01 5A63607C7F786D7E0C0 wrote:
Could this be your problem? My bike definitely does not like being in such high gears at so low speeds. I'm usually still in 3rd gear up until 50-55, then 4th until 70, then 5th above that. I've never run into a "false neutral" between 4th and 5th, and I'm fairly soft on my shifting. I do make sure to pull or push the lever through its full range of motion before letting go though. So perhaps that's the difference.[/quote] ----------------- mph or km/h ? |
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