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Title: Gas tanks Post by Steddy58 on 07/31/15 at 10:11:48 Hey all, having moved the speedo I now have hole in my tank which doesn't look good so does anyone know of a different tank which is compatible, preferably something which does not need a lot of work to make it fit and hopefully not too costly,cheers everyone |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Kris01 on 07/31/15 at 11:02:43 No tanks are a direct fit that I know of. Have a custom welder put a plate over the hole, smooth it down and paint it to match. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by verslagen1 on 07/31/15 at 12:02:32 5053464D404651544A4F4F4A424E50230 wrote:
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Steddy58 on 07/31/15 at 13:52:53 Hey Kris, I asked a welder if he could do something with it and he told me he had tried to weld one but it was too thin but I will look at the vn750 option thanks verslagen1, cheers all |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Kris01 on 07/31/15 at 14:52:13 I don't know what gauge sheetmetal it is but he's the pro welder, not me. I think it can be done but, again, he's the pro. Versy: We want pictures! |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by verslagen1 on 07/31/15 at 14:57:55 The VN750 tank looks almost exactly like the savage tank... w/out the hole. I think even the mounting was the same. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Dave on 07/31/15 at 15:41:25 I have welded up a stock tank. It takes a Mig welder, and some patience. I am going to do another one this winter - but I am going to try a lap weld and solder joints. I believe there will be a lot warping and grinding of weld joints that way. Properly done solder joints are plenty strong.....all fuel tanks used to be soldered before welding was common. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by koehlerrk on 07/31/15 at 16:14:57 5A6378622120110 wrote:
Kris, I'm not a welder... but my dad kept mom and us kids fed for many a year being one. He, back before his eyes went to Hades, could edge-weld two sheets of 20 thousandths stainless. Yup, two hundreths of an inch, and he welded a lot of it! I've seen one other guy I know weld two sheets of aluminum foil together... just to prove it could be done. So, there's pros, and guys who think they're pros... Or it could be the difference in welding machines. Dad used a TIG a lot. Not fast, but there is nothing you can't weld with a TIG. Aluminum, steel, stainless, titanium, copper, magnesium (yes, it can be welded, you just gotta do everything right) and a bunch of other metals I can't remember. Your guy may not have access to a TIG... |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Kris01 on 07/31/15 at 16:48:54 I've seen first hand some of the work that the guys who think they can weld will do. It ain't pretty! |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by LS650THUMPER on 07/31/15 at 17:07:35 What year VN 750 tank is a good fit? My guess is they all would fit !! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Dave on 07/31/15 at 19:34:27 I went to eBay and looked.....it didn't seem the mounting points were anywhere near the same as the Savage. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by gizzo on 07/31/15 at 21:04:18 The guys at RYCA cut the bottoms out and reweld to shorten the tank, so it must be doable by guys with the skills. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by koehlerrk on 08/01/15 at 02:59:44 0C373A2D3C302B2D363E332C5F0 wrote:
Same here... looked like the tank attachments were way off... though I could be missing something. Wish those evil-bay photos had good lighting and views of the bottoms of the tanks. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Kris01 on 08/01/15 at 05:59:52 Does this help any? http://burntrubber-burntrubbermotor.netdna-ssl.com/2315-thickbox_default/kawasaki-vn750-gas-tank.jpg |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Kris01 on 08/01/15 at 06:04:46 Lookee what I found! http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1245897456 |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Steddy58 on 08/01/15 at 09:30:44 Many thanks for all the info, there's a few good pointers, as for the welding I guess it all depends on how confident you are and if it's someone else's property that's going to cost you I know there's guys out there who could weld cooking foil but that sort of class won't come cheap :) once again thanks |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Boogie_with_Stu on 08/02/15 at 00:38:54 Cup holder mebbe? 8-) |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Steddy58 on 08/15/15 at 10:33:48 Just a quick update - I decided to let a friend loose on it and here are the results the guy who is going to paint it says he'll fill it and gently slope the filler from near the edge of the tank to top of the lip of the hole so hopefully you won't notice that the hole was there. I think hes done a good job of the welding - no holes and fairly neat. A bit of grinding and bobs your uncle, cheers all |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by old_rider on 08/16/15 at 22:07:26 Nice find Kris01.... I have been looking at back street bike shops...and will keep looking. There has got to be a 4 gallon tank out there that will work! LOL...... probably have to take off the chrome head covers though... |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by strang on 08/17/15 at 13:58:06 looks a good job to me. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Steddy58 on 08/17/15 at 16:24:16 Yeah strang mate, not too shabby seein' as he isn't a welder he picked it up welding patches onto a couple of classic minis he has. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by strang on 08/18/15 at 11:16:25 ahh minis - plenty of welding practise there ;) I used to own a mini van in my yoof - new owner is probably trying to weld it back together right now. Miss it. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/19/15 at 05:46:24 Mig or stick? Looks like stick, but I can't imagine a bead that big on such thin metal. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Dave on 08/19/15 at 06:07:49 352A2C2B3631003000382A266D5F0 wrote:
The bead looks big, as the lip where the speedometer hole meets the tank top is still in place. The welded in sheet appears to be sitting on the inside of the bead. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by chzeckmate on 08/19/15 at 15:34:14 I was looking at a tank from a Hyosung GV250. It looks like a direct fit. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by FerousBastard on 08/20/15 at 05:49:25 1B242225383F17510 wrote:
Judging by pictures the mounts on the GV250 tank seems to be a bit more forward than our tank. But if it could be made to fit that'd be pretty sweet - 14l capacity and fuel gauge built in. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/20/15 at 09:17:22 1C272A3D2C203B3D262E233C4F0 wrote:
The bead looks big, as the lip where the speedometer hole meets the tank top is still in place. The welded in sheet appears to be sitting on the inside of the bead. [/quote] However,,, not something I want in on. I did body repair for a few years.. The mig was an absolute MUST, I got to work on a 56 Chevy door. Buddy, lemme tell ya, that is real steel. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by wolfsgrin on 08/20/15 at 10:35:17 Dave, I'm still droolin over that tank. :P Can't wait to see the next one might buy it if for sale. Hope mine turns out that smooth. A tank Suzuki should have built. I like that gas cap you got on there Steddy but I'd be leary off a little grinding and Bob's your uncle. That plate is welded below the lip(two seperate pieces of thin metal) and grinding it down could seperate it. If you haven't already pressure tested it just to check the welds and let your buddy know how well he did. I would do it after grinding the welds down to prepare for body filler and paint. Unless your speaking of sanding the body filler down to smooth it for paint. What I understood, he's going to put body filler from all the edges of your tank, raising your profile up say a 1/4" to match the lip. Essentially keeping the same shape but making it wider(thicker) a 1/4" all over till it evens out with the lip? If so, it sounds cool just wanted to let you know to be careful about smoothing out those welds. My plate sits on top the lip and I'm nervous. Dave, how was your plate sitting? I've seen the before and after paint pics but not any before the body filler. Did you smooth out your welds or did they look like pennies layered( smooth already)? Idk if this is a difference between tig and mig welding but mines has the large weld bumps too. Also if i can upload the pics. A 1987? 1989? Yamaha virago tank 1 1/2" cut out the middle and ??? how much cut of the end. A friends project for a cb550 project before he found another tank. He might use it on a savage build, been trying to talk him into to getting one. Has a deep channel and that cable looks like a fuel gauge.http://[IMG]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e303/askim4201/Mobile%20Uploads/20150801_173541_zpsaxmhktxb.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/askim4201/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150801_173541_zpsaxmhktxb.jpg.html)[/img] http://[IMG]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e303/askim4201/Mobile%20Uploads/20150801_173555_zps7ns6ish2.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/askim4201/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150801_173555_zps7ns6ish2.jpg.html)[/img] http://[IMG]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e303/askim4201/Mobile%20Uploads/20150801_173606_zps94bzqw8t.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/askim4201/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150801_173606_zps94bzqw8t.jpg.html)[/img] http://[IMG]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e303/askim4201/Mobile%20Uploads/20150801_173623_zpsab2dxnar.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/askim4201/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150801_173623_zpsab2dxnar.jpg.html)[/img] http://[IMG]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e303/askim4201/Mobile%20Uploads/20150801_173742_zps07duguet.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/askim4201/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150801_173742_zps07duguet.jpg.html)[/img] |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Steddy58 on 08/20/15 at 16:37:10 Sorry for late reply JOG 2 yeah it was mig ( clarkes MIG130 EN no gas ) and as Dave said the lip is still on the tank as I was advised you cant grind it down. As Verslagen suggested I have bought a vn 750 tank to use while my tank is being painted will post pics when it gets back,cheers all |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by JutMan on 08/22/15 at 17:31:44 Would it be possible to put the GV250 sending unit and fuel gauge into the stock savage tank? Looks like 3 holes but would need to be mounted into the right spot to give an accurate reading. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by Steddy58 on 08/26/15 at 19:07:12 Bought the vn tank and it wont go straight on cos of the the two bars which stick out of the frame which the rubber circular thingys go on for siting the original tank and as I only want the vn tank on while my tank is in the paint shop I think I'll leave any modding of frame or the vn tank til later - by the way are the two rods for the rubber wotsits ( sorry for all the technical words ) hollow or solid,cheers all ps JutMan not sure about the gv250 idea but someone will probably be along later with the answer cheers |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by verslagen1 on 08/26/15 at 22:19:53 They are solid. You'll need to cut the stock tank supports off. you'll need to fab replacements for the new tank. If the new tank has the same horseshoes for the rubber tank dampers, then there's a couple of ways to make new ones. I found the rubber dampers will stick on the head of a 5/16" allen head bolt. If you get a 1" diameter aluminum spacer, 1 with a 5/16 hole thru the other threaded for the bolt. Measure the distance between the horseshoes. Subtract the width of the frame, divide by two. That's the length of the spacers. You can tape the dampers on the tank and place the tank on the frame. use spacers to get the tank where you want it. Mark the spacer location on the frame and remove the tank. Place the spacer on the frame to locate the hole and drill a hole thru as square as you can. |
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Title: Re: Gas tanks Post by JutMan on 08/27/15 at 07:49:13 6D4A5B4E567A3E0 wrote:
I was looking and there are lots of the sending units on ebay and some gauge clusters. I will have to find a cheap savage tank to play with. There is a nice flat spot on the opposite that may be enough to place the sending unit then mount the gauge on the handlebars. I looked at the other virgo? mentioned as well. The tank looks good with modification, but the problem is the gauge which is custom to the cluster. There is an aftermarket gauge that also includes a tach which would be nice as long as you can figure out how to hook up the tach. |
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