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Title: Need electrical help Post by Tocsik on 07/11/15 at 13:42:48 I'm attempting to install FIAMM El Grande horns on my bike and something's not quite right. I have the horns and a Bosch relay (5 prongs; 2 87's). I ran a 10 awg wire with an in-line fuse from the + battery terminal and connected this to the #30 relay terminal. Connected the stock horn wire (black/blue according to Clymer for my year) to the #86 terminal on the relay. Ran a wire to each horn; one from each of the #87 relay terminals. The horns are mounted to the frame using the tapped holes for the front reflectors and are on metal brackets, so they should be grounded. The stock horn has 2 wires so I made a "Y" pigtail from the #85 relay terminal, connected the other stock horn wire to that and ran a wire back to the negative battery terminal. Once everything was wired up, I reconnected the battery and put a fuse in the in-line fuse block for the new relay feed. Soon as I turned the key, I could hear a fuse blow and it ended up being one of the fuses for the bike. The fuse going to the new relay was intact. The horns come with a spade connector to only one terminal on the horn but include a small metal piece that is basically a male spade on a piece of metal with a hole, I assume for grounding at the mount point. I didn't include it in my set up since the horns are mounted on a metal stud to a metal bracket to a threaded hole in the frame. Any ideas? Should I have just grounded the other stock horn wire not in the circuit with the relay? I'm not an expert at the electrical stuff but it seems the relay needs to be grounded and the stock horn has 2 wires so I grounded those together. |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by thumperclone on 07/11/15 at 14:05:06 youll need a tester me thinks the oem horn is fed hot and the button completes the neg wire to ground |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Tocsik on 07/11/15 at 14:08:28 Got it figured out. I over complicated the system (very typical of me). I actually found the answer from a buyer on Amazon. The stock horn wires go to #'s 85 and 86, power to #30 horns fed by #87. I'll post up some pics and sounds later. These things are great. Sound like an old Detroit car horn. |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Tocsik on 07/11/15 at 18:13:18 Here's how the new horn sounds compared to stock. (https://youtu.be/oYwKsuPFN_Y) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYwKsuPFN_Y[/media] http://[IMG]http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k548/Tocsik87/S40/IMG_20150711_163536679_HDR_zpskm5w7vlu.jpg (http://s1115.photobucket.com/user/Tocsik87/media/S40/IMG_20150711_163536679_HDR_zpskm5w7vlu.jpg.html)[/img] |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by engineer on 07/11/15 at 20:17:48 I like the new horns, sounds more like a car so maybe people will pay more attention to it. |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by KennyG on 07/11/15 at 20:51:38 Tocsik, Could you post a picture of the new horns? The horns really sound good. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by chzeckmate on 07/11/15 at 23:50:09 Love it!!! |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Art Webb on 07/12/15 at 07:20:32 I put a Fiamm 'freeway blaster' on my old Ninja500 when the stockers died, after that any time i blew the horn my riding buddy jumped (it was loud) |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Tocsik on 07/12/15 at 11:07:52 507E7558697A68731B0 wrote:
OK, got it figured out. From the sides, the horns aren't too noticable. I'll probably switch out the red wires for black and change the connectors to flag-type so that stuff is tucked out of the way better. You can mount them with or without the red backing cups and/or the chrome grills. I left both on and actually like the way the grills match up to the lines on the cooling fins and the coil springs on the rear shocks. http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k548/Tocsik87/S40/IMG_20150711_163536679_HDR_zpskm5w7vlu.jpg http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k548/Tocsik87/S40/IMG_20150711_163606356_HDR_zpszixdfywc.jpg http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k548/Tocsik87/S40/IMG_20150711_163556648_HDR_zpsmouxxyjg.jpg http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k548/Tocsik87/S40/IMG_20150711_163532060_HDR_zpstexpnixh.jpg http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k548/Tocsik87/S40/91ae7cc5-d387-44ea-a0b4-db5b7a9266b7_zpsacbnufnu.jpg |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by KennyG on 07/12/15 at 13:03:52 Tocsik, That is a good looking setup. It looks like the horns belong there. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Art Webb on 07/13/15 at 21:58:58 I sure does, and they're louder than a polite fart (stock horn) |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Boogie_with_Stu on 07/16/15 at 12:39:51 Ok, not a hater here....the horns sound great and look good on the bike. To ME anyway, they look like they are on the wrong side. Like, the "coil" of the swirl should start at the bottom and end in the trumpet at the top (basically, if the horns were just swapped left to right). Is it just me mebbe? |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Dave on 07/16/15 at 12:43:01 7974747C727E366C726F7336686F6E1B0 wrote:
I dunno'......would they fill up with water if turned the other way? |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Boogie_with_Stu on 07/16/15 at 12:48:44 Interesting question Dave...I haven't a clue. I guess I am just used to top-down symmetry. Maybe a small drain hole wouldnt hurt? I mean, they WILL get water in them anyway, right? 50 MPH in wet weather, water gets everywhere. Did a quick Google search and saw these. Not trying to prove anything, just trying to better explain my comment. |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Boogie_with_Stu on 07/16/15 at 12:54:22 and.... |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by HovisPresley on 07/16/15 at 17:25:24 In the last two pictures, the horns are probably 'upside down' because the maker's name is upside down on them both..... |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Steve H on 07/17/15 at 04:07:30 In the last two pictures, those horns are water traps. |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Tocsik on 07/21/15 at 19:34:02 Hmmm. I mounted mine in a way that seemed to be the best for drainage should water get in them. This is also the direction many others have mounted them on bikes. Certainly open to suggestions but I agree that mounting them the way shown in the other pics posted by Stu looks like water would get trapped. By the way, I had a situation where using my horn was needed the other day. Riding along in traffic and my Spidey senses were tingling as I watched this driver just ahead and to my right. She just looked like there was gonna be trouble; several people in the car with her and she didn't look too focused on her driving. Sure enough, she turned on her signal and started lane change without checking her mirror or looking over her shoulder. I hit the horns (man, those suckers are loud) and she corrected. Everyone in the car had a quick head swivel when they heard the horns. I backed off and motioned for her to come on over but she was still too intimidated to complete her lane change. I don't aim to misbehave with these horns, but it sure is nice to have the decibels. |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Boogie_with_Stu on 07/21/15 at 19:53:32 Tocsik, I meant no harm with my comment. Just a visual "perception" difference of tastes I suppose. I'm sure that the way you mounted them will give you much less grief with water/debris. Glad to hear they work so well too 8-) |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Tocsik on 07/23/15 at 11:17:00 No offense taken, Stu. I'm always open to suggestions and better ways to do things! I kinda wish there was some sort of cover I could put over the horns while leaving them open. Sort of like the cowbell over some Harley horns. I think it would look much better from the sides and I may look around for something like that. |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Dave on 07/23/15 at 12:52:40 Anytime I see Original Equipment horns shaped like this....the openings always face down. (Even though you most likely want the sound going forward). |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/23/15 at 13:14:13 The name is upside down, . Swap sides, name right side up, water, well, hafta drain better.. |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Art Webb on 07/23/15 at 15:37:15 I think thet look grand just the way you got em, and they have enough tip to drain, I wouldn't sweat it too much Moar cowbell! ;D |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/23/15 at 19:37:12 I'm sure that you can explain how it drains, with the inlet on TOP. |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Art Webb on 07/23/15 at 20:12:44 Inlet ain't on top JOG, looit the pitchers again |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/23/15 at 20:15:25 Sure ain't on bottom..I've been looking.. whoever pointed out that the name is upside down offered a clue, grab it. |
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Title: Re: Need electrical help Post by Art Webb on 07/23/15 at 20:37:13 JOG You're looking at the pics Boogie wit Stu posted, of how he thinks the y look better those are the ones with thew horns on top (BTW, just to be clear, that's not an 'inlet' it's where the sound comes out) The OP's horns are mounted correctly http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k548/Tocsik87/S40/IMG_20150711_163606356_HDR_zpszixdfywc.jpg vs http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Right_Horn.jpg note the radiator in pic 2 |
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