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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Cafe >> 10 best cruisers /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1435858681 Message started by springman on 07/02/15 at 10:38:01 |
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Title: 10 best cruisers Post by springman on 07/02/15 at 10:38:01 Looky what I saw today. Take a look at number 10. http://www.allmotornews.com/10-best-cruiser-motorcycles/ |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by verslagen1 on 07/02/15 at 11:30:17 Nice of them to start out with the worst and work up to the very best. 8-) |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Tocsik on 07/02/15 at 13:02:29 The Ducati Diavel is a cruiser? And the Star VMAX? I dunno ::) |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by springman on 07/02/15 at 13:49:07 I like your point of view Versy. |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Sonny on 07/02/15 at 14:29:43 The new '15 Indian Scout is getting many good reviews and is bugging me, though I am safe, not having $11 or $12K lying around. And of course having something less than $1K in my '87 Salvage and feeling happy as it is... |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by springman on 07/02/15 at 16:30:58 I agree with you Sonny. That 2015 Indian Scout is one nice bike. But yeah, that's a lot of money. |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Sonny on 07/02/15 at 17:06:09 No doubt about it. Indians aren't cheap, and, you know, first year for a ground up new design you are paying full price to do their product testing for them. There will be bugs and recalls like with any clean sheet of paper new scooter. Whereas, the Savage is in year what, 29, unchanged except for the bar, seat and a 5th cog... and they never *did* fix the things that we all have to fix on our own. They just left the flaws in to give it character I guess... but the timing chain tensioner problem is not amusing, and there's no excuse for them leaving that costly weakness. One of these days I am going to write Suzuki and beg them to take the original CAD drawings and up every dimension 15% to make an 800cc on a bigger, longer frame. A Super Savage. And I am going to list the mods and fixes devised on this forum and tell em to give us a break and incorporate them in the S.S.. I'm sure they'll jump right on that... |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Art Webb on 07/02/15 at 20:13:37 an 800CC single cruiser? No thanks, 650 is pretty much the limit for one jug, IMO |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by springman on 07/02/15 at 20:21:46 That actually sounds like a pretty good idea there Sonny. |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Sonny on 07/02/15 at 21:07:19 4B585E5D4F48482A0 wrote:
You might be right, Art. If you just bored/stroked the existing engine to 800cc, if you even could, yes for sure it would be a rough, hot running, short-lived mill. But I don't know, if the ratio of piston weight to counterbalancer, the crank, starter motor, valves, carb and everything else went up in proportional size it should work like the 650. Whether the increase in performance would be worth the high cost of making new casting and milling tools is hard to say. But it's a new era now, with digital design and mfg robotics... not as hard as it was in the '80s when the existing Savage tooling was made. I am way tall for Savages -- 6'3". If I could have one a foot longer, a couple inches taller at the seat, with more spread out ergonomics and more horses, and an exhaust note about a half octave lower, I would love it. I would pay extra for it. |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Art Webb on 07/02/15 at 21:53:16 you forgot something: lighting off that huge air / fuel charge in the ginourmous combustion chamber. that would be one awesome sfterfire on shut down ;D I'm with you on the size, I find the bike cramped at 6 feet even with a fairly short inseam, I'm just not sure an extra 150 cubes is a practical possibility in an air cooled single |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by jcstokes on 07/02/15 at 23:29:23 I'm glad to know the S40/Savage is comfortable and doesn't rivet your ass? |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Serowbot on 07/03/15 at 07:04:10 What a random collection... :-/... |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by HovisPresley on 07/03/15 at 07:18:23 As Tocsik said, the Ducati and the V-Max aren't really cruisers. The Triumph Speedmaster and the Thunderbird (especially) should be there, somewhere (but then again, I'm biased!) |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Dave on 07/03/15 at 09:45:44 6F7C7A796B6C6C0E0 wrote:
I don' t believe you would get an increase in performance....except maybe low end torque if you just scaled everything up. The length of crankshaft stroke would increase and the piston speed that would most likely reduce the rpm that was possible. Triumph makes some big 1,600 cc twins - but they are cruiser/touring bikes and most likely not very fast. Ducati....makes big displacement cylinders work by keeping the stroke short and making the piston big. |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Art Webb on 07/03/15 at 11:41:56 Thanks, Dave, that's pretty much what I meant, but couldn't find the right words to articulate Also, I think it'd be a paint shaker no matter how big a counterweight they used the S40 is pretty smooth, for a single, but the operative phrase is for a single Also. isn't the trumpet liquid cooled? I don't recall but i think Ducks are still air cooled, but I don't think they're running 1600cc last I heard |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Sonny on 07/03/15 at 12:26:34 Keep in mind Suzuki makes an 1800 V-twin, Yamaha does, Honda, H-D. H-D's is air cooled. Kawasaki, king of one-upsmanship, makes a 2052cc Vulcan V-twin. Sez here on Wiki the Yamaha XV-1900 is a fairly high compresssion (9.5 to 1) stroker at 100mm bore x 118mm stroke. Dave is correct, the power curve changes as cylinder displacement increases: torque goes up, red line comes down. That Yamaha engine makes max hp at 4500rpm, max torque at 4100. I reckon it's done at 5K. You gear the transmission to exploit the dynamics of the engine. Our Super Savage is gonna lope along at about 2250rpm at 70 all day in 5th gear, ready to lurch upward toward its torque peak with a twist... }8^D |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by gizzo on 07/03/15 at 15:48:40 7A414D5D47452E0 wrote:
the Diavel is a cruiser built for fat Lebs who don't find an OCC chopper vulgar enough. :P V-Max, who knows? Destroyer of Worlds, maybe. I don't think that all motor news is a very credible source. Appears to be one of those Indian kind of things that just regurgitates copy and calls it an article. I bet they've not gone out and taken those bikes for a spin. |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Dave on 07/03/15 at 16:56:04 I saw a really cool motorcycle last night....and it may be the only one in the US as the bike was not imported into the US I am told. The original owner as in the military in Canada and bought the bike, then moved to the US and brought the bike with him. He later sold it to a fellow that lives in the Cincinnati area. A Yamaha MT 01. http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_mt-01%2008.htm |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Kris01 on 07/03/15 at 18:19:34 Strange looking beast |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Art Webb on 07/03/15 at 22:20:54 I'm sure it could work Sonny, but I don't think it'd be near as smooth as an 800 v twin, and not sure it'd be competitive with same maybe I'm too jaded by past experience with a Norton ;D Maybe I'm just addled by that near 100 mile ride atn 60-80 mph todat i deff need to use the XS 11 on those types of rides |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by gizzo on 07/04/15 at 01:07:03 0C373A2D3C302B2D363E332C5F0 wrote:
That's the bike of choice for mad men down under. Also have the MT07 and MT09 for lesser nutcases and the MT01 for learnertics. Nice bikes. |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/04/15 at 01:56:52 Drive train power pulses are a limiting factor, I would think. |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by jcstokes on 07/04/15 at 02:50:01 What is a "Fat Leb" and an "OCC chopper"? |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by gizzo on 07/04/15 at 04:50:30 Fat Leb: Person of Lebanese descent, often involved in criminal acivitites or used car sales, with questionable taste and a proclivity to vulgar shows of affluence whether real or imagined. OCC Chopper: Orange County Choppers. Bikes that appeal to tasteless wogs. |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Art Webb on 07/04/15 at 07:38:43 3B2125272618293A3C3A212C2F2D480 wrote:
AKA Butt Jewelry And Justin that's a good point, you'd need one big bastard of a flywheel, so acceleration would likely suffer |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/04/15 at 09:00:28 Everything is getting a shove or a tug 500 times per minute at 1,000 RPM. INCREASE THE piston size, and stroke, and that power pulse gets stronger, damped by the flywheel, I was looking at small tractors. I called a mechanic and asked him what to stay away from. He said the two cylinder stufeats drive operated tools, like the u joints and gear box of a brush hog. More cylinders, smoother. One BIGGO piston, and you're gonna get some Biggo changes in the powertrain. Remember the recent belt break? Id have a look at the hub and the torque soaking rubbers. |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by verslagen1 on 07/04/15 at 09:04:54 756A6C6B7671407040786A662D1F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Sonny on 07/04/15 at 09:42:33 Well, Vers, that is clear and hard to argue with. We *like* the pulsing, but just enough to be soulful and within reasonable engineering limits. Even at 650cc, the Savage will tear itself up if you have the bad habit of lugging it. I guess the audience for my Super Savage 800 keeps shrinking... now down to guys over 6 feet, who like heavy counterbalanced flywheels, don't care about burn-outs and redlines, just like to ride around being civil while making a low boomboomboom sound. The Suzuki marketing department would count up that demographic and say, no, not worth it, not enough of 'em... Okay, where were we? How about a Savage with a 650cc vertically mounted air cooled V-12 with 52cc cylinders and no flywheel? The Savage Screamer. The Suzuki marketing department will now open their desk drawers, grab their Samurai swords and come over the desk at me en masse... help me, guys! }8^O |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by verslagen1 on 07/04/15 at 10:01:30 Has any body done a single carb, single exhaust parallel twin? |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Sonny on 07/04/15 at 10:23:15 7F6C7B7A65686E6C6738090 wrote:
Not single exhaust, but remember the 60s Triumph Trophy 650 with a single big Amal Monoblock carburetor? It was a low compression, durable utility bike. Folks used to say it was much easier to keep running right than the Bonnie. As a kid I drooled for one. |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Art Webb on 07/04/15 at 10:55:26 Yep, the current and all 250cc rebels in the USA (Aus uses two smaller carbs) I think some of the old Brits used a single carb too Sonny beat me to it Also, he made me drool two cylinder single carb 650 standard? yum! Oh wait Lucas electrics AGHGHGHGHGHG! RUN AWAY! |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Sonny on 07/04/15 at 11:18:57 7C6F696A787F7F1D0 wrote:
"Allo, bloke! Wot's that smoke coming from behind your forks there, mate?" "Blimey! It's me ZENER DIODE again!!!" "Extraordinary!" |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Art Webb on 07/04/15 at 12:25:15 perzactly ;D |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by gizzo on 07/04/15 at 15:53:55 524D4B4C51566757675F4D410A380 wrote:
You're probably right...... :D. Here's a fun read. http://www.motofotostudio.com/2012/07/06/three-enormous-thumpers-duel-for-the-title-of-worlds-largest-single-cylinder-motorcycle/#.VZhisxuqqko |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Sonny on 07/04/15 at 16:24:13 I admit I already knew about the Bison 2000 but didn't want to mention it on this thread lest y'all think I was crazy or a big single ideologue or suffering from Obsessive Compulsive Displacement disorder or something. Okay, I'm going outside to run up my Cox .049 glo plug model plane engine now. It helps me relax. ;-' |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Kris01 on 07/04/15 at 16:34:43 800 RPM redline?!?!? ;D |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Kris01 on 07/04/15 at 16:38:34 Here's another link to the bike that Gizzo posted. I couldn't get the pic to load on that link. http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/the-hg3000-is-an-outrageous-single-cylinder-ar59698.html#main |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by verslagen1 on 07/04/15 at 18:17:59 34282924282B470 wrote:
There fixed it for you. ;D |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/04/15 at 22:11:47 I had a .010. Fuel it up, put the clip on the glow plug , fire it up and hold it by the tank... Dooo whuu? Cox engines, out of production. I bought the.010 at Tinker AFB. Never even put it on a plane. Just held it and smelled it. Nothing much beats methanol burning.. |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Sonny on 07/04/15 at 23:52:04 The Babe Bee reed valve .049 and the exotic Tee Dee .010 with the cool intake venturi port facing forward... it all comes back. They made a Tee Dee .049 too, but it was expensive and nobody I knew had one. I made a 2 x 4 block test stand to run the Babe Bee on, and flew it on a number of control line planes. Great times. I didn't know the Cox company was gone. I guess electric RC spelled the end for them. Sad. The fuel was nitromethane, methanol and castor oil. A smell for the ages when it burned (and the blow by coated your hand and model), with a very high energy content indeed. Those things scream. The .049 pulled amazingly hard with a good propeller. I introduced my son to .049 control line flying in the '90s but it didn't absorb him like it did me back around 1960. I guess the world had changed... he always looked kinda sideways at it like it was some old school thing of dad's which made it uncool. I wonder what would happen if you doped a full tank of gas on the Savage with about an ounce of Cox nitro fuel. Ahem. |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/05/15 at 00:41:54 Nitro, I rember! |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Kris01 on 07/05/15 at 05:40:13 362A2B262A29450 wrote:
I still have (I think :-/) an old P51 that I never got to fly when I was ~10. The darn thing just never would crank. I might still have some 30+ year old fuel left! :D |
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Title: Re: 10 best cruisers Post by Sonny on 07/05/15 at 07:08:49 You prob got a bad glow plug. They were prone to breakage of the little coil of heater wire up in there. You always had to keep a spare handy. Then, with a good battery and a good glow plug they'd start and run every time. And last a long time, considering they ran up around 20K rpm wide open... the castor oil kept everything clean and slippery. |
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